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Originally Posted by CannnaLady
And you can thank the private home grown caregivers that were growing and not paying sales tax for HB 1284...thanks a lot!
Um...No. We can thank you and all the other mmcs for 1284. Caregivers were doing just fine before you opened shop. Funny how fast you forgot that little detail. It was the mmcs who supported CMMR who bent over for Romer and friends that got 1284 passed.
The sad part is that mmcs have dug their own grave by allowing the state to walk all over them. Most patients I talk to are NOT RENEWING their card. Why give the state $90 for NOTHING. So no card = no mmc sales. They went too far and you allowed them. Most of you will be closed within a year, and caregivers will continue on.
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
The problem with "Shop Hoppers" is not the bargains that they receive. It is the exposure to being over plant count when they don't let you know that they changed to another center.
MMC's, and caregivers for that matter, have no means to verify their plant counts other than the patient's word.
It's fairly dicey to gamble a prison stint based on somebody's desire to get a free gram.
^^ This exactly!
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by canaguy27
Um...No. We can thank you and all the other mmcs for 1284. Caregivers were doing just fine before you opened shop. Funny how fast you forgot that little detail. It was the mmcs who supported CMMR who bent over for Romer and friends that got 1284 passed.
The sad part is that mmcs have dug their own grave by allowing the state to walk all over them. Most patients I talk to are NOT RENEWING their card. Why give the state $90 for NOTHING. So no card = no mmc sales. They went too far and you allowed them. Most of you will be closed within a year, and caregivers will continue on.
This is exactly right.
MMCs better fight now while they can most of the people they depend on will not be there in a year or so.
Red cards are not required exept at MMCs
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by CannnaLady
Thank You Releaf Center!
I am a dispensary center...not too far from you. But thank you for speaking your opinions from a MMC stand point. Everything you said I agree with 100% I think a lot of people don't realize what our lives are like. I don't think they know what our overhead is, what we deal with day to day and how much we have sacrificed. If dispensaries don't have quality meds then they will be shutting down soon and some already have.
People are able to get up in the morning in their pajamas and walk to a MMC and get grass, I would have KILLED for this when I was a young prat. People don't even know what they have!
Even in Amsterdam the cops come barging in, I don't think people know this. I was sitting in the gray area one time and the cops came raiding and gave them a ticket just for having the door propped open.
There's only so much complaining you can do when you are allowed to smoke and posess for free, I don't get it. Yeah I agree that it's an invasion of privacy and what not...but still! IT'S LEGAL.
And you can thank the private home grown caregivers that were growing and not paying sales tax for HB 1284...thanks a lot!
anyways, I just wanted to say that I have customers that are your patients and they always have good things to say about you. I am glad you are hear letting the MMJ Community know what it's like from a MMC standpoint. I've been stressed out for a year and have had about 3 days off. You also had a great review on the westword-keep it up!
thanks for your honesty, i have more reason to stay away MMCs, i am starting to believe they are all evil.
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by CannnaLady
Thank You Releaf Center!
I am a dispensary center...not too far from you. But thank you for speaking your opinions from a MMC stand point. Everything you said I agree with 100% I think a lot of people don't realize what our lives are like. I don't think they know what our overhead is, what we deal with day to day and how much we have sacrificed. If dispensaries don't have quality meds then they will be shutting down soon and some already have.
People are able to get up in the morning in their pajamas and walk to a MMC and get grass, I would have KILLED for this when I was a young prat. People don't even know what they have!
Even in Amsterdam the cops come barging in, I don't think people know this. I was sitting in the gray area one time and the cops came raiding and gave them a ticket just for having the door propped open.
There's only so much complaining you can do when you are allowed to smoke and posess for free, I don't get it. Yeah I agree that it's an invasion of privacy and what not...but still! IT'S LEGAL.
Thanks for quitting your Walmart job to do society such a favor, you should change your name to Mother 'CannaLady' Theresa.
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Originally Posted by CannnaLady
And you can thank the private home grown caregivers that were growing and not paying sales tax for HB 1284...thanks a lot!
If your dispensary ever fails you have a bright future ahead of you as a stand up comedian, or in your case comedienne.
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by CannnaLady
Thank You Releaf Center!
I am a dispensary center...not too far from you. But thank you for speaking your opinions from a MMC stand point. Everything you said I agree with 100% I think a lot of people don't realize what our lives are like. I don't think they know what our overhead is, what we deal with day to day and how much we have sacrificed. If dispensaries don't have quality meds then they will be shutting down soon and some already have.
People are able to get up in the morning in their pajamas and walk to a MMC and get grass, I would have KILLED for this when I was a young prat. People don't even know what they have!
Even in Amsterdam the cops come barging in, I don't think people know this. I was sitting in the gray area one time and the cops came raiding and gave them a ticket just for having the door propped open.
There's only so much complaining you can do when you are allowed to smoke and posess for free, I don't get it. Yeah I agree that it's an invasion of privacy and what not...but still! IT'S LEGAL.
And you can thank the private home grown caregivers that were growing and not paying sales tax for HB 1284...thanks a lot!
anyways, I just wanted to say that I have customers that are your patients and they always have good things to say about you. I am glad you are hear letting the MMJ Community know what it's like from a MMC standpoint. I've been stressed out for a year and have had about 3 days off. You also had a great review on the westword-keep it up!
Mmm I think the MMC's blatant neon pot leaf signs (billboards, radio adds, so on) popping up every where is what sprung the public outcry for regulation, not so much the caregiver.
Every business has overhead. Taxes can be brutal, licensing fees on and on. To think people can't relate to overhead is absurd. MMC's have it tough but there's profit in it if there wasn't you wouldn't be doing what your doing. Any type of business that doesn't put out quality is at risk of shutting down.
We're not in Amsterdam and your referencing coffee shops not MMC's, I think there's a difference.
I'm not sure what you meant by smoke and possess for free? Are you giving your med's away?
I understand what you're saying about the complaining. People overnight have become connoisseurs, not, and want to complain about quality meds that they may not have been able to obtain in the recent past thanks to the above ground market available today. We are spoiled. I have just recently read a few paragraphs of complaining from an MMC owner myself, just above this response.
You made the choice to do what you are doing. You made the choice to sign your rights away.
At this point I wouldn't really call MMJ legal. There are still consequences.
I also would like to comment on this term MMJ community, this would suck if this were true but I'm starting to feel this is separating into two, MMC community and MMJ community (caregiver/patient). This would be detrimental to the community as a whole.
I am a patient and have no hard feelings towards MMC's. I also have no hard feeling toward CannaLady, I have no reason to believe she isn't a stand up person with a good heart. I know what stress can do to a person. Although am really over the piss on the little guy mentality, this is a problem everywhere not just with MMJ. Life can be hard, we should be lifting each other up not pissing on one another.:wtf3::)
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by CannnaLady
Thank You Releaf Center!
I am a dispensary center...not too far from you. But thank you for speaking your opinions from a MMC stand point. Everything you said I agree with 100% I think a lot of people don't realize what our lives are like. I don't think they know what our overhead is, what we deal with day to day and how much we have sacrificed. If dispensaries don't have quality meds then they will be shutting down soon and some already have.
People are able to get up in the morning in their pajamas and walk to a MMC and get grass, I would have KILLED for this when I was a young prat. People don't even know what they have!
Even in Amsterdam the cops come barging in, I don't think people know this. I was sitting in the gray area one time and the cops came raiding and gave them a ticket just for having the door propped open.
There's only so much complaining you can do when you are allowed to smoke and posess for free, I don't get it. Yeah I agree that it's an invasion of privacy and what not...but still! IT'S LEGAL.
<b>And you can thank the private home grown caregivers that were growing and not paying sales tax for HB 1284</b>...thanks a lot!
Its only been medical for ~10 years. Many people do remember going to jail for simple possession. Prohibition is all around CO, CO just happens to be the oasis in the desert of prohibition. Move one state over, in almost any direction (especially texas) and see what the state of matters on mmj is there. I think a big part of this fear is that people fully understand how bad it could be, and we want to do everything we can to keep it from being that way again. We fought long and hard for this, and now is when they are trying to take it away because we are closer than ever to winning this war.
Its not legal at all. Legal would be if everyone is allowed to grow as much as they want. Like grapes. Thats legal. What is in place now is tolerance at best. Actual real legalization is a ways off, in any state in USA. The war has not been won.
In HB1284, the only part where caregivers are mentioned is relating to co-ops and multiple caregivers growing under the same space. What does that have to do with sales tax? The whole rest of the bill, or at least the other 90% of it was directly related to dispensaries. Dispensaries, which CO voters did not vote for, and the constitution does not provide protection for. So if the bill is by far mostly regulating dispensaries, how was that caused by caregivers? Id say it was caused directly because of dispensaries. Can the state even collect taxes on something that is federally illegal?
Why should it be illegal to possess excess amounts of something that is harmless? You could kill yourself with water faster than you could with mj. Its medicine. Its good for us. Let us have it.
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@CannaLady: Thanks for the kind words, and I apologize on behalf of some of the other forum members for their rude responses. Most of the posts on here are tempered and well thought out. I'm sorry you experienced the less savory side of can com.
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Yeah relief must feel nice and cozy behind their lawyers.
Really? Rob Corry will represent any one of you free of charge. I'm still not sure what charges those consist of. Trust me, you'll find representation if the state releases your medical info.
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The sad part is that mmcs have dug their own grave by allowing the state to walk all over them. Most patients I talk to are NOT RENEWING their card. Why give the state $90 for NOTHING. So no card = no mmc sales. They went too far and you allowed them. Most of you will be closed within a year, and caregivers will continue on.
We'll see. The black market is great right now, but for how long?
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Red cards are not required exept at MMCs
Most caregivers should verify you have your red card. It's also necessary if you're caught in possession.
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Thanks for quitting your Walmart job to do society such a favor, you should change your name to Mother 'CannaLady' Theresa.
Great to see you elevating the level of discourse here, Zed. SMH.
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I also would like to comment on this term MMJ community, this would suck if this were true but I'm starting to feel this is separating into two, MMC community and MMJ community (caregiver/patient). This would be detrimental to the community as a whole.
I concur, although I think a lot of the anger that we hear online is because it's the internet. It's the perfect place to opt out of discussion and be incendiary. Participating in the process is much more difficult and time consuming. And when MMC's don't get everything the community wants, we're labeled as Benedict Arnold's for participating.
When I was talking about the caregiver ban in Denver, I asked everyone on the board to talk about what they wanted to see happen. To collectively determine what our goals were. Needless to say, the thread died as quick as it started.
I'm not sure it's as simple as MMC's vs Patients/Caregivers, though. I think a more accurate description would be those for regulation and those for outright legalization.
Those on the regulation side are willing to concede that A20 wasn't perfect, that there will be some sacrifices, but ultimately we're participating in the first state sanctioned and regulated medical marijuana program that allows us to purchase a variety of cannabis products in a safe environment. They don't fear federal prosecution because they don't plan on committing a federal crime.
Those on the legalization side don't see why a damn near harmless plant should be regulated more than alcohol or tobacco, are worried about their private medical information being made available and see a caregiver model as viable. They are vehemently opposed to any changes to A20 and believe that it should be the final say on medical marijuana.
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I disagree with that dichotomy, Releaf. Regulation vs legalization? The two go hand in hand. Legal marijuana is going to be regulated in this country, as sure as cigarettes, lettuce, alcohol and Claritin are. The regulations MMCs face now are the same kinds of regulations MJ retailers will face when it is legalized.
It is important MMCs be closely monitored, and present a squeaky-clean image and retail experience; the rest of the state and the nation are watching us to see the results of our experiment. Although I value the ability to shop from a caregiver or grow my own, MMCs are the public face of this industry, so I would hate to see them bloodied by the media. All eyes are on us, and if the Reps and the various others manage to destroy MMCs, it will set back legalization in this state. Very tight regulation of MMCs is appropriate during this sensitive period; they need to be on their best behaviour just now. (The few MMC operators I know seem to understand this.) Safe, crime-free, well-regulated MMCs are the most convincing evidence that legalization on a broader scale can work.
Again, regulation and legalization are not mutually-exclusive positions. Good regulation, rather, is a necessary step toward legalization.
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I agree completely. My point was that the schism is present in the community. It seems that a majority of the comment comes in on one side or the other.
I still believe that the average patient falls into the regulation side and not the more "libertarian" (for lack of a better term), hands off my herb side. Does that make more sense?
