Obama says torturers may face prosecution

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

uhh...flowers and sunshine is all i took from that.


ive been to iraq, ive dealt with the enemies of the US firsthand. dont give me that moral highground shit, when shit hits the fan and we need to know something fast, give me a pair of pliers and a blow torch and we'll get some answers out of haj. war sucks. its not for cry babies and soft ass lefties. bad things happen, good people die, and mofos get tortured. thats the way it is, and thats the way its probably always going to be.

i saw a bumper sticker on a vets car once that said: if you havent been to iraq or afghanistan, then shut the fuck up.

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An equivocal bumper sticker that attempts to dismiss all debate in an assertion of superiority proves fuck all. The enemies of the U.S. are the idiots who self-righteously increase the cycle of violence that they or the next generation can only come to rue. It appears that, in general, if you're in the army you're either avoiding prison or too much of a mule to do anything useful other than provide cannon fodder, or a hypnotized conformist defending Daddy's values. I may be a cry baby and a soft ass leftie, in which case war is not for me (thank God), but I must say that peace as a philosophical concept is not for the kids who played with too many GI Joes and never grew the fuck up.

I'm sorry, but this kind of thinking is dangerous and will keep the bombs detonating until doomsday. When you said "so?" in your later reply, that was possibly the most disgusting thing I've read in ages. Why does the U.S. have enemies, anyway? Innocent victims, right?

I know I'm wasting my time here, and that anything I say will be instantly dismissed. I guess I have to make at least a feeble attempt to defend humanity.

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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt

An equivocal bumper sticker that attempts to dismiss all debate in an assertion of superiority proves fuck all. The enemies of the U.S. are the idiots who self-righteously increase the cycle of violence that they or the next generation can only come to rue. It appears that, in general, if you're in the army you're either avoiding prison or too much of a mule to do anything useful other than provide cannon fodder, or a hypnotized conformist defending Daddy's values. I may be a cry baby and a soft ass leftie, in which case war is not for me (thank God), but I must say that peace as a philosophical concept is not for the kids who played with too many GI Joes and never grew the fuck up.

I'm sorry, but this kind of thinking is dangerous and will keep the bombs detonating until doomsday. When you said "so?" in your later reply, that was possibly the most disgusting thing I've read in ages. Why does the U.S. have enemies, anyway? Innocent victims, right?

I know I'm wasting my time here, and that anything I say will be instantly dismissed. I guess I have to make at least a feeble attempt to defend humanity.

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did it ever occur to you that your way of thinkin' is why innocent people are
still dieing in IED explosions? and they want nuclear materials.

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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt

An equivocal bumper sticker that attempts to dismiss all debate in an assertion of superiority proves fuck all. The enemies of the U.S. are the idiots who self-righteously increase the cycle of violence that they or the next generation can only come to rue. It appears that, in general, if you're in the army you're either avoiding prison or too much of a mule to do anything useful other than provide cannon fodder, or a hypnotized conformist defending Daddy's values. I may be a cry baby and a soft ass leftie, in which case war is not for me (thank God), but I must say that peace as a philosophical concept is not for the kids who played with too many GI Joes and never grew the fuck up.

I'm sorry, but this kind of thinking is dangerous and will keep the bombs detonating until doomsday. When you said "so?" in your later reply, that was possibly the most disgusting thing I've read in ages. Why does the U.S. have enemies, anyway? Innocent victims, right?

I know I'm wasting my time here, and that anything I say will be instantly dismissed. I guess I have to make at least a feeble attempt to defend humanity.

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were you in iraq or afghanistan ? ;)

All those who oppose the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan are lefty ,tree hugging pacifists.

MMmmmmmmmmm !

That really is a million miles from the truth.
I am a border line sociopath who believes in the death penalty for rapists murderers and child molesters.
I am also an ex-soldier who loves the chance to prove my position as natures top predator.

Kinda blows the whole stereotype right out of the water don't ya think. :thumbsup:

However this is all getting way off topic as the simple question is "Should those responsible for torturing and allowing it to happen face justice"?
I say YES!

border line sociopath...would you care to elaborate on that one ?

i would like to first say that i too was a soldier, sevred in iraq with the 3rd I.D. and i too have been against this war from the start. but i also realize we just cant up and leave.

but the whole torture issue is a very sticky issue. i dont beleive in torture myself but torture is just like terrorism in the fact that its all in perspective. some will argue that waterboarding is not torture because it does not cause the loss of life or limb does not cause an undue amount of pain or permant physical damage. but others will argue that it is torture because of the mental stress cause by the action.

i think that yes if you torture or give the order to torture then yes you should be prosecuted but first we have to define what is and what is not torture.

so here is a challange for you all: define torture and what is acceptable means of interogation.

thought you guys might like this. :jointsmile: well some of you might like it. others will probably just shake their heads.

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

thought you guys might like this. :jointsmile: well some of you might like it. others will probably just shake their heads.

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well, i like it bro so thanks!

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Originally Posted by yokinazu

i would like to first say that i too was a soldier, sevred in iraq with the 3rd I.D. and i too have been against this war from the start. but i also realize we just cant up and leave.

but the whole torture issue is a very sticky issue. i dont beleive in torture myself but torture is just like terrorism in the fact that its all in perspective. some will argue that waterboarding is not torture because it does not cause the loss of life or limb does not cause an undue amount of pain or permant physical damage. but others will argue that it is torture because of the mental stress cause by the action.

i think that yes if you torture or give the order to torture then yes you should be prosecuted but first we have to define what is and what is not torture.

so here is a challange for you all: define torture and what is acceptable means of interogation.

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The US military classifies waterboarding as torture , as does the UN. :thumbsup:

BTW the patriot or terrorist bullshit has sweet fuck all to do with this issue and is a simple remark made by simple people in order to avoid answering the real question. IMO.

you could have just shaken your head.....

sheesh. :jointsmile: