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I am very open minded and while defending my view and have done my own research and have started it into overdrive now I did not say ignorant bc of his questions in fact some of them were quite good and raised questions of my own but the one thing I do know is the existance of the man talked about in the bible is cited in other places and the crucifiction as well as for sources if you earnestly want to read some and throughly read them not dismiss them site unseen I can get those for you after gathering from my source, probably sometime tommorow.
as for name calling I must admit I am guilty of the typical christian short coming when resorting to low blows because of so little to back my case besides my faith and I will now re read and delete after so as not to post anymore.
as to these however...
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not even then would i praise that cruel master, it would just give me a reason to rail against the universe. to find that there was indeed a god who could have revealed itself and ended so much suffering would only prove to me that this reality is ruled by a being of such callousness that it does not deserve my loyalty nor my adoration. i would gladly join the ranks of the damned and our watchwords would be "better an eternity of torment than service to a tyrant". such a revelation would finally allow me the ultimate act of defiance, i would revel in the bloodshed and destruction it would free me to bring down upon the lambs of that pernicious deity.
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Very well said, I to would join the ranks of the damned.
I originally had writing in reply to the above: If god revealed himself to me in person, I would likely tell him to f*ck off. I deleted it though out of tact.
wow thats just some crazy sh*t, I mean to not believe is fine but thats just some evil stuff if you do not believe in God then does that mean I have the right to say if God revealed himself to me or came down to earth I would tell you to f*ck off or join with the "christians" and shed the blood of non believers? because I can assure I would not, even if it meant rebuking my God and being attack by the very people I used to call my brethren.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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Originally Posted by sd6515
wow thats just some crazy sh*t, I mean to not believe is fine but thats just some evil stuff .....
my reaction to a sudden revelation of the existence of god may seem drastic to you, but i see it as just vengeance for the centuries of abuse and apathy. the concept of making war upon the gods for their cruelty is not unprecedented in mythology and when battling an immortal the only real target would be its mortal minions.
can you honestly say that if your god came to you and demanded that you slay the unbelievers you would defy him? if so, i would say that your belief in his infallibility leaves a bit to be desired.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
I can because I do not believe my God would command us to and yes if he did I would rebuke him he has an army of angels and I do not believe he would require or ask us to do this and the fact that christians out there do and thendo act upon these thoughts is one of the greatest problems we have.
but yes I would rebuke my God if he ask me to commit such horrible acts and it does not make my faith any weaker at all in any way because the God I believe would not require that of me and if he did he would not be th God I had thought I was following and therefore it would not be weak of me or leave anything to be desired of my faith it would just prove that I had a misguided faith that I believed in a God that would require me to shed the blood of innocent people whos only "guilt" beyond mine is not believing in him. Which I do not see as a guilt at all and I believe it is my duty to be a christian follow the lord help those who want help and on top of all not force my religion down the throats of others which I have and will never do. just defend and love my faith.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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but i see it as just vengeance for the centuries of abuse and apathy.
says in the Bible God is a vengeful God and if you smite him you and your families will be smited for generations upon generations and even further, and we as a human race have smited God in many ways what right do we have to complain about the horids in our lives especially our sheltered lives of great wealth compared to the rest of the world, i dont know about you but with 2 cars a house a weeks worth of food in the fridge and money in the bank I feal pretty blessed myself, horrible things can and do happen but what kind of a life would it really be if everything were perfect all the time, not a life I would want. And I have Degenerative Disc Disease, 5 hernihated disc, sciatica, nerve root impingement, and am on cruches half my life and I still consider myself blessed at 23
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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Originally Posted by sd6515
says in the Bible God is a vengeful God and if you smite him you and your families will be smited for generations upon generations and even further, and we as a human race have smited God in many ways what right do we have to complain about the horids in our lives especially our sheltered lives of great wealth compared to the rest of the world, i dont know about you but with 2 cars a house a weeks worth of food in the fridge and money in the bank I feal pretty blessed myself, horrible things can and do happen but what kind of a life would it really be if everything were perfect all the time, not a life I would want. And I have Degenerative Disc Disease, 5 hernihated disc, sciatica, nerve root impingement, and am on cruches half my life and I still consider myself blessed at 23
Because, if god truly were a loving god, he would not be so egotistical, demented, and perverse as to torture his own creations. He would not require servitude or love, just as a loving father does not require that. The father strives for love and respect from his children by setting a good example, loving them unconditionally, and wishing the best for them under nearly any circumstance.
There is no place in this world for a vengeful god and no excuse for one. He has absolutely no right to smite the heretics or those who have wronged him. And if he were to feel that way, simply because he created us against our will, he is not a being that deserves my respect.
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if it can be proven to you without a any doubt, that christianty is true, would you fall to your knees and give your life to christ?
As stated this is a hypothetical question, what if i can prove to you without a shadow of a doubt christianity is false, would you fall to will of reasoning, open thought and infinite questioning then?
I know which path i would rather take, even if you did find some type of evidence it would be forever conjectural which could never hit home that christianity is the infinite truth unless somehow you can take me into the suposed afterlife and show me the land of 'milk and honey' in its glory...
Even then, as i have stated how much milk and honey can you consume in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000 years?
In mathematical terms, eternity hasnt even begun.
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I seem to be having the same problem though, I'm looking for documents attesting to the Historical existence of Jesus, and all that shows up are Christian, Catholic, and other religiously biased sites.
Ive always had that problem.
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It was meant as a joke not as serious in anyway but it is funny you went there
Yeah because it seriously is a JOKE looking for evidence of Jesus Christ.
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well at second thought I guess you did answer the qustion. so I guess you would live your life a lie then, sence you said it was proven to you 100%. Well it is your right to live aganst
the truth.
Lets not get caught up in an imaginary world however, lets switch back to reality, and the reality is that there is no evidence to support the existence of Jesus Christ.
Like i stated before it cannot be proven to be correct, yet how about yourself? How about the Christians alike, im sure the lack of evidence points to the answer you oh so hate so much, which is that Christ never existed.
Are you not living the lie in reality?
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to this I must request you look at all post by fallen and you will soon see he just likes to play devils advocate and insult for the most part.
Carry on trying to get people to support your illogical beliefs.
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wow thats just some crazy sh*t, I mean to not believe is fine but thats just some evil stuff if you do not believe in God then does that mean I have the right to say if God revealed himself to me or came down to earth I would tell you to f*ck off or join with the "christians" and shed the blood of non believers?
And on what right does God have for throwing one into a hell for all eternity for simply not believing he existed?
Does the punishment fit the crime?
How would you feel if i sent you to a fiery pit for ETERNITY for simply not agreeing with what im saying?
How would you feel?
Now you can understand how we feel.
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to this I must request you look at all post by fallen and you will soon see he just likes to play devils advocate and insult for the most part.
Let me just remind you of the kind of statement you have made against me:
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now go F**k the horse you rode in on
I still have recieved no direct apology for this remark
And still no evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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Originally Posted by Fallen_Icarus
As stated this is a hypothetical question, what if i can prove to you without a shadow of a doubt christianity is false, would you fall to will of reasoning, open thought and infinite questioning then?
I was going to post this exact question. I'm interested to hear the response to it from the bible-thumpers.
Now SD6515, you said in one of your posts that you don't necessarily believe people should suffer eternal damnation simply for not believing Jesus while otherwise living a perfectly good life. The thing is, we're discussing Christianity, not what you believe, and this way of thinking deviates completely from what Christianity teaches. You may call yourself Christian, but your belief on this matter is distinctly non-Christian. It would be like if I said I believe in mathematics, and someone asked me what two plus two equaled, and I said i believed it equaled five and implied that this belief represents what mathematics teaches. Because you are rational enough to disagree with one of the many ludicrous and vindictive aspects of Christianity does not make that aspect any less a part of Christianity, and this aspect in particular should keep anyone in their right-mind from believing in Christianity. Unfortunately, it seems that a shockingly low percentage of the world's population are actually in their right-mind, if the number of religious people is any indication.
As far as your insistence on using references in secular historical texts as evidence the legitimacy of Christianity, you're missing the point once again. Sure, there are probably some texts that reference a guy called Jesus, just like there are texts that reference parts of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc. However, it's a huge leap of irrationality to claim that these texts and references somehow "prove" what, by definition, is unprovable. Sure you might be able to provide substantial proof that there was a guy who named Jesus who lived about 2,000 years ago and claimed to be the son of god, but how can you possibly prove that he was telling the truth and that the founders of all those other religions were not? You simply can't, which is why no one religion is any less far-fetched and unbelievable than the other.
On the one hand, Christians often like to respond to requests for tangible proof of God, Jesus, etc., by saying such proof is completely unnecessary for believing in Christianity, then on the other hand they use the bible and historical references as their basis for believing in Christianity. If "proof" is not needed to believe in Christianity, how are you expected to decide to believe in it. For that matter, how is it acceptable in any way to punish people with eternal pain and suffering for not believing in it? Therein lies the paradox that makes religion as a whole a farce.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
to try and answer a few qustion from above post i will simply say this, why would God throw you in hell? Well Hell was made for the devil and his followers, it was never made for man.
but men like your self who say I will not follow God even if I new Him to be true 100%, you say you will tell Him to f... of then when you die why would you what to be with Him then?
so if you chose to hate God then you will be on the side of the devil who we know hates God. There fore you will be with the evil one the father of all lies when your soul leaves this world.
I did not chose to be a christian, Iam just like you in many ways, I will not put knee to ground for any man, I haved lived a hard core life, and if you knew me you would belive my words. But one day out of the blue I met christ, and I wanted to be with Him, and get to know him for He is my God and creater. But even after I met Him I went and search every thing I could find, and I tell you this that are faith is not blind.
The truth is there, but you have already chosed not to be live, and that is your right.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
P. S. You have chosen your path, and we have chosen are path.
there is nothing left to say, but to walk are own path. So walk. by.
Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
to try and answer a few qustion from above post i will simply say this, why would God throw you in hell? Well Hell was made for the devil and his followers, it was never made for man.
but men like your self who say I will not follow God even if I new Him to be true 100%, you say you will tell Him to f... of then when you die why would you what to be with Him then?
so if you chose to hate God then you will be on the side of the devil who we know hates God. There fore you will be with the evil one the father of all lies when your soul leaves this world.
I did not chose to be a christian, Iam just like you in many ways, I will not put knee to ground for any man, I haved lived a hard core life, and if you knew me you would belive my words. But one day out of the blue I met christ, and I wanted to be with Him, and get to know him for He is my God and creater. But even after I met Him I went and search every thing I could find, and I tell you this that are faith is not blind.
The truth is there, but you have already chosed not to be live, and that is your right.
Just because some people may have similar views with another, that doesn't mean that they're on the same side. Unfortunately, God doesn't see this, he only sees good... "Believe in Me please! Trust my words, some of which may not make sense, but you're good, so you'll know what's right" and evil... "I seems like you have better reasons for your morality, but I'm perfect, damn it, so I'm obviously right... Go to HELL!"
