Why God does not exist, in one sentence.

WASHINGTON (Feb. 11) - Scientists using a robotic NASA probe have determined with precision the age of the universe -- 13.7 billion years -- and figured out when stars began to shine.

Astronomers have been closing in on these numbers for decades, but a spacecraft now about a million miles from Earth was able to look back to nearly the dawn of time to find the answers, NASA researchers said on Tuesday.

Stars started shining just 200 million years after the theoretical Big Bang, scientists said in announcing findings of the so-called WMAP mission, which gazed on the universe when there were no stars, no galaxies, nothing except minute differences in temperature.

These temperature differences were as little as one-millionth of a degree, but that was enough to create vast hot and cold spots that signaled the beginning of the clumping that eventually became every known structure in the universe, the scientists said.

WMAP -- short for Wilkinson Microwave Anisotopy Probe -- looked back in time to just 380,000 years after the Big Bang explosion that many astronomers believe gave birth to the universe. That is further back in time than even the orbiting Hubble Space Telescope can see.
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I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laugh

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

spaghetti monster,came from south park so ur quoting a cartoon lol

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So forget any questions I posed to you, and just mention where the spaghetti monster idea came from.

I've seen someone else on this board use the spaghetti monster and I thought it was funny. But I'll definitely give a look to that episode if i can find it.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

I think we can sum it from your first sentence. The big bang is a theory.
There is no proof of the big bang even taking place the way you described it.
The reason you think it's true, is because you have "faith" in it.

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In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is predictive, logical and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory. Commonly, a large number of more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a general rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.

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Yeah, I quoted from wikipedia, but no one's arguing this definition of Scientific Theory. If you believe this definition to be lacking, incomplete, or flat out wrong, then change it :)

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laugh

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I guess that's somehow less respectable than never changing the truth when new facts come to the front.

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

Compare that with religion. I'm not suggesting that it's exactly the same and that religious people have power over those who don't, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. Someone of faith may believe they have an inherent advantage over a non believer (something like, I don't know, going to heaven).

Let's say that someone believes that it's very likely, by the way they're living, that they're going to heaven, why would they question the rules and ethics that get them there? It wouldn't make sense because they might lose their faith, or they might not like the result they find. realizing an unfairness.

A thought such asmight come up. I personally think that it's unfair, and there's no good reason for it. In my mind, any truly just God would not care about such a trivial piece of information, especially one that is so hidden from people in the first place. I'd need a reason to believe why someone who believes is apparently better than someone who doesn't. If that reason is hidden, or simply not told, it's probably for an unjust reason.

So who would want to go from a mindset of being blessed with eternal life, to just another Joe that's going to be in the ground 100 years from now like everyone else? Not many, I'd bet.

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The bible doesn't teach that a believer is "better" than one who doesn't follow. And their bodies will equally rot in the ground.
We have no visual proof to believe in the afterlife. That's what's great about FAITH. :hippy:

You are saying that you know what is right and wrong better than God. You must feel more "righteous" than him to judge him. He is the potter and you are the clay. I hope you realize the stance you're taking against your possible creator. I don't feel he is unjust. To me, he's all LOVE. He will have mercy and compassion on who wants. And the wrath of God will come upon all the children of men.

Would you feel the same if someone you love in your family died horribly as opposed to hearing the same type of death on the news
to a stranger? NOT!!!, so you shouldn't judge him.

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

WASHINGTON (Feb. 11) - Scientists using a robotic NASA probe have determined with precision the age of the universe -- 13.7 billion years -- and figured out when stars began to shine.

Astronomers have been closing in on these numbers for decades, but a spacecraft now about a million miles from Earth was able to look back to nearly the dawn of time to find the answers, NASA researchers said on Tuesday.

Stars started shining just 200 million years after the theoretical Big Bang, scientists said in announcing findings of the so-called WMAP mission, which gazed on the universe when there were no stars, no galaxies, nothing except minute differences in temperature.

These temperature differences were as little as one-millionth of a degree, but that was enough to create vast hot and cold spots that signaled the beginning of the clumping that eventually became every known structure in the universe, the scientists said.

WMAP -- short for Wilkinson Microwave Anisotopy Probe -- looked back in time to just 380,000 years after the Big Bang explosion that many astronomers believe gave birth to the universe. That is further back in time than even the orbiting Hubble Space Telescope can see.
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I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laugh

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I am confused by your cynicism. How old do YOU believe the universe to be? Are you a creationist? Are you, by chance, religious, and reject anything that contradicts the erroneous man-made belief structure that you are comfortable with? Your obvious scorn in all things scientific leads me to these conclusions.

I remember when those findings were first published among the scientific community. Previous to that, scientists on average had estimated it to be around 10 to 12 billion years old, but could not prove it. They knew what they had to do, and after sending sattelite probes into space and receiving the results, they were able to scientifically calculate the age of the universe. By observing red shifts and phases of distant stars, we have for some time now, been aware of the fact that everything in the universe is moving away from a central point. Im sorry that you seem to reject these findings, and find them laughable. Some people would find that rejection to be laughable. Forgive me if I have made a wrong assumption.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

The bible doesn't teach that a believer is "better" than one who doesn't follow. And their bodies will equally rot in the ground.
We have no visual proof to believe in the afterlife. That's what's great about FAITH. :hippy:

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I avoided the word "better" with good reason. I'm saying that someone of faith (let's keep it Xian belifs for simplicity's sake) believes that they have an advantage over a non believer. They have to. They believe that they will be rewarded for their behaviour, and beliefs. If they didn't believe this, then there'd be no point to the belief in the first place.

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You are saying that you know what is right and wrong better than God. You must feel more "righteous" than him to judge him. He is the potter and you are the clay. I hope you realize the stance you're taking against your possible creator. I don't feel he is unjust. To me, he's all LOVE. He will have mercy and compassion on who wants. And the wrath of God will come upon all the children of men.

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When my parents told me I couldn't do something, and they didn't have a reason, and told me "Because I SAID SO", who's "right"? They certainly didn't have an answer or a reason. Are you saying it's impossible to outsmart someone because they made you?

To me, the Xian God I read about is anything but love. The God I read about has an inferiority complex and for some reason is quite shy. Every once in a while he comes out because he's mad and has a tantrum that usually kills a bunch of people because they don't listen to him. that's the god I read about.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Would you feel the same if someone you love in your family died horribly as opposed to hearing the same type of death on the news
to a stranger? NOT!!!, so you shouldn't judge him.

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I don't understand the point you're trying to make, but of course the people closer to you mean more to you.

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

well if thats the case, that matter changes and moves closer to other matter then why are'nt the planets getting closer together? and if thats the case then im right on humans not causing any global warming, it's the planet regenerating it's self.so thanks for the help on that so al gore is a dumb ass and anyone that believes that.

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Im quoting this one, but Im going to attempt to address your other posts as well.. first off.. how old are you? I only ask because judging from your communication skills, and the misinformation you seem to have in the realm of scientific knowledge you are rather young, but I will attempt to talk as if you are an adult so as to avoid coming off as insulting.

First of all.. who said the planets are not getting closer and closer to the sun? They most certainly are, however the angular momentum of their orbit means that the rate of attraction is almost negligible on any measurable scale of time. The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant before the planets actually spiral into the sun.

As far as global warming... are you trying to say that increased carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses are not having an effect on the recent increase in average temperature, the rapid melting of all glacial bodies, and the increasing hole in the ozone layer? All of which are confirmed and measurable findings. Sure the earth has cycled through periods of extreme warmth where trees thrived and there was water for all... then all the carbon dioxide that all that vegetation produced began to have a greenhouse effect, melting glaciers, decreasing ocean salinity, which altered oceanic thermal flows, which... caused an ice age. Nobody isnt saying its never happened before, the cycle has been going on for quite some time. What they are saying is that humans are speeding that process up, and it is coming alot sooner than it should have, certainly before we expected it to. Im not sure what kind of argument you might have on that...

As far as the beginnings of life... What is so hard to believe about the Big Bang?? All matter is attracted towards any other matter.. When all the matter in the universe previous to the big bang finally condensed into itself so much that it reached the peak of density, it exploded, sending matter zooming across space, and by the way it is still moving from that point. Not only that, but matter is actually ACCELERATING still. After billions of years of hydrogen and helium gravitating to form stars, which supernovaed to form other elements, and eventually rocky bodies, things in this part of our galaxy at least began to settle down. Our sun formed some planets as popular theories go, and caught others in its gravitation. Pluto is clearly an aquirement from the Kuiper belt.

After about a billion years of Earth spewing its innards volcanically all over the place in a tumultuous manner, it began to cool and solidify. The major tectonic plates began to form, and most likely with the help of some asteroidal bodies, a few alien elements were introduced. Amino acids were introduced to enzymes and formed proteins. Proteins formed together to produce the first single-celled organisms. Those organisms began to multiply and evolve with the addition of more enzymes and proteins, and as these organisms have such a high reproduction rate, they were able to evolve on a much faster scale than intelligent life. Hydrogen and Oxygen combined with the right environment to form water. Life then flourished. An atmosphere rich in elemental gasses was becoming more established with every passing million years. Eventually simple crustaceans were able to form in the oceans, and life continued to evolve from there. Crustaceans evolved into fish due to necessity of environment, and alteration in diet. When land became more hospitable, fish began out of necessity to come onto land. Diets changed once again, and the newly evolved amphibians began to ingest amino acids and proteins and minerals that they had never had access to, and life continued to evolve.

If you want to learn more, go to discovery.com or something.

Thats all I feel like responding to I think.

Except for this quote by you:

"You're controlling/conquering half this thread though.
I don't think I've ever seen 5 straight posts from a person who did not start the thread. LOL

yea just think what would happen i did'nt have the respect and morals that god teaches i mean i would'nt put up with w 10th of what i do now without god i'd be a beast lol i"

You continue to argue points that bear debating, especially with your opinion on them, thats why he keeps posting.

And I dont think you are as respectful as you think... your posts are full of calling people stupid and dumb fucks, and all types of judgement. You categorize everybody that disagrees with you as "you people", Im guessing you are addressing the whole scientific community, then you make statements assuming the whole scientific community has one standard point of view. You appear to be severely dillusioned, my friend. I hope for your sake that you grow up and grow out of this.

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Why would a person go to heaven and another go to hell, living identical lives, except one is a believer and the other isn't?

might come up. I personally think that it's unfair, and there's no good reason for it. In my mind, any truly just God would not care about such a trivial piece of information, especially one that is so hidden from people in the first place. I'd need a reason to believe why someone who believes is apparently better than someone who doesn't. If that reason is hidden, or simply not told, it's probably for an unjust reason

thats where people are wrong like ur self,it's not that way at all.first there's people that believe in god for the right reasons,and then there's the ones "preacher for the most part"that make a living on it.i'll ask u this, say u were dating 2 girls at the same time, and u loved them the the same equally. but only 1 of them loved u back and the other one did the same as the other but the one loved u back and the other didn't, who would u pick..?let me guess i know you'll either say neither, or u can't decide i know you'll come up with something to make u feel right. but we both know the truth don't we...!

Im quoting this one, but Im going to attempt to address your other posts as well.. first off.. how old are you? I only ask because judging from your communication skills, and the misinformation you seem to have in the realm of scientific knowledge you are rather young, but I will attempt to talk as if you are an adult so as to avoid coming off as insulting.

First of all.. who said the planets are not getting closer and closer to the sun? They most certainly are, however the angular momentum of their orbit means that the rate of attraction is almost negligible on any measurable scale of time. The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant before the planets actually spiral into the sun.

As far as global warming... are you trying to say that increased carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses are not having an effect on the recent increase in average temperature, the rapid melting of all glacial bodies, and the increasing hole in the ozone layer? All of which are confirmed and measurable findings. Sure the earth has cycled through periods of extreme warmth where trees thrived and there was water for all... then all the carbon dioxide that all that vegetation produced began to have a greenhouse effect, melting glaciers, decreasing ocean salinity, which altered oceanic thermal flows, which... caused an ice age. Nobody isnt saying its never happened before, the cycle has been going on for quite some time. What they are saying is that humans are speeding that process up, and it is coming alot sooner than it should have, certainly before we expected it to. Im not sure what kind of argument you might have on that...
no kid here but i am a free thinker and i like how u just contradicted urself and don't even know it lol funny u say the planets are getting closer..prove it and the sun will what did u say..The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant lol another good one so what ur saying is mankind and earth as we no it well life as a whole as we know it are doomed anyways so why would it matter if us "humans"destory ourselfs i mean theres nothing after this anyways right as u say?whats the big deal might as well go out with a "bang"as thats how we started right? lol ok first contradiction over now to the 2nd ok u say were all just "matter caused by other matter collecting together right?then is'nt that global warming weather it be from "mankind/aka matter"or from the earth gonna happen anyways as were all just "matter" im sure u believe as the rest in here do as the big bang/evo/ it should'nt "matter" what we as humans do as we are all just "matter" and thats what matter" does evo use up destory create right??

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thats where people are wrong like ur self,it's not that way at all.first there's people that believe in god for the right reasons,and then there's the ones "preacher for the most part"that make a living on it.i'll ask u this, say u were dating 2 girls at the same time, and u loved them the the same equally. but only 1 of them loved u back and the other one did the same as the other but the one loved u back and the other didn't, who would u pick..?let me guess i know you'll either say neither, or u can't decide i know you'll come up with something to make u feel right. but we both know the truth don't we...!

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So what are the "right" reasons for believing in God?

It's funny you'd accuse me of not answering questions when you've answered approximately a tenth of mine.

Who would I pick? The girl that loves me, obviously. Is your analogy flawed? Yes, and I'll explain why I think so.

You're comparing a relationship of a bunch of people to the relationship of God and people. God picks many people, not just one (from what I hear). I'm not condemning someone because they don't love me, they're free to do as they please. I don't wish ill towards people for the simple fact that they don't love me. In fact, I still wish them eternal happiness.

I'm not hiding myself from this person. Maybe if they knew who I was, they'd actually love me too! And if I was hiding myself from this person, wouldn't it be my fault that they don't even know me? If I did have the power to punish someone because they don't love me, and wished to use it, can I claim it fair to punish them when I've purposely hidden myself from them? And if I did so anyways, wouldn't I be a giant prick?

*edit* 301 posts in the thread, WOOT!

i remember everything iv'e seen read on stars inploding and matter gathering was so great it would cause a black hole effect and anything that gets close is eaten up by it and the power around it is so great nothing can survive???i may be wrong as i always am in here but thats usely when people are right so..

what have u asked u have proven nothing just thought on the "matter"like that i did

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no kid here but i am a free thinker and i like how u just contradicted urself and don't even know it lol funny u say the planets are getting closer..prove it and the sun will what did u say..The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant lol another good one so what ur saying is mankind and earth as we no it well life as a whole as we know it are doomed anyways so why would it matter if us "humans"destory ourselfs i mean theres nothing after this anyways right as u say?whats the big deal might as well go out with a "bang"as thats how we started right? lol ok first contradiction over

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Do you know the definition of contradiction? It's when two ideas directly oppose one another. The idea of a big explosion destroying life doesn't contradict the idea that life can create itself afterwards. The idea that this solar system may no longer exist in millions of years doesn't contradict the point of "carrying on our species". Who's to say that we can't inhabit other solar systems?

And I couldn't read the second part so I won't bother.

I'm not hiding myself from this person. Maybe if they knew who I was, they'd actually love me too! And if I was hiding myself from this person, wouldn't it be my fault that they don't even know me? If I did have the power to punish someone because they don't love me, and wished to use it, can I claim it fair to punish them when I've purposely hidden myself from them? And if I did so anyways, wouldn't I be a giant prick
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what i was getting at, is god and people being on a much lager scale of course.that god created people and wants them to see him as king and lord. but instead and through out the bible his own people have turned against him everytime. so laws were put in place and rules as to weed out the good from evil. and it's a battle between him a satan whatever u want to call him. many names really to see who loves who, in a nut shell. i mean theres alot more to it than that but, god gave us free will and wants to see who loves him and is devoted to him and who is not. bottom line..

And I couldn't read the second part so I won't bother. lmfao i guess with eyes like that it would be hard at time to read lol

all will bow one day,so ur saying that some will/can survive this supernova from the sun and will be able to carry on on another planet...lol and im the dumb one

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what have u asked u have proven nothing just thought on the "matter"like that i did

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http://boards.cannabis.com/spiritual...ml#post1567754

These are just a few questions I've asked.

just ignore the fact that I used the spaghetti monster, and hopefully after answering some questions, you'll have some questions in response. That's generally the way conversations work in regards to understanding one another's viewpoints. When people disagree, they question why the other person thinks that way. They answer so the other person has a better understanding, and more questions arise if there's still disagreements or curiosities.

God dont exist cuz he's a fictional character in a book goddamit! so slick-d your cursing something that don't exist ...well thats smart huh lol

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im not saying survive it,im saying people that think thats the way life was formed. to say ur chemical reaction theory or big bang theory ,that would take immense explosion / implosion to create life. And saying that is what happened is too far fetched. To say god did it that way?that's funny ?

huh? I'm just saying that making life from previously "lifeless" cells and organisms is possible. What's far fetched about that? People are able to make real life viruses (imeaning, not computer viruses) in their basement. How can reality be far fetched
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it's called sarcasm i was saying it's ok to believe in the big bang and ur considered using ur brain but if u believe in a master plan /god then ur a kid with no brain

opps i see im breaking one of my own rules in my sig damn that does make me dumb...alil anyways:thumbsup:

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what i was getting at, is god and people being on a much lager scale of course.that god created people and wants them to see him as king and lord. but instead and through out the bible his own people have turned against him everytime. so laws were put in place and rules as to weed out the good from evil. and it's a battle between him a satan whatever u want to call him. many names really to see who loves who, in a nut shell. i mean theres alot more to it than that but, god gave us free will and wants to see who loves him and is devoted to him and who is not. bottom line..

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But you haven't gotten to it. This God's still hiding, at least from me. He's not giving his reasons for his rules. He still needs my love for some reason. I ask why he needs my love in order to avoid torture, or at least not have eternal life.

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all will bow one day,so ur saying that some will/can survive this supernova from the sun and will be able to carry on on another planet...lol and im the dumb one

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I never called you dumb. I also didn't say that reaching other solar systems was a definite. It's a possibility. We might have to try for other solar systems if this one becomes hostile. And who knows, maybe if we don't get out, we all perish from the sun. That's a possibility as well.

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it's called sarcasm i was saying it's ok to believe in the big bang and ur considered using ur brain but if u believe in a master plan /god then ur a kid with no brain

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It's hard to detect sarcasm in text, or at least many people find it difficult.

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opps i see im breaking one of my own rules in my sig damn that does make me dumb...alil anyways

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if you're inferring that I'm an idiot and I'm "beating you" with idiocy, then I'll refrain from talking to you. If you aren't trying to infer that I'm an idiot, please clarify, because it certainly looks like you are. If you're being sarcastic again, let me know.

Az the world turnz!!! :stoned:

To me, the flaw in science is that it ignores the wisdom in things evolving into a perfect environment. Things don't evolve perfectly like that without wisdom. Example, you say that evolution brought us the sun and the earth. But I say, by wisdom the earth turnz to work perfectly together with the sun. The wisdom in our universe is infinite, there's no denying that. Even if you want to say that there is no God, you have to admit that this "energy of life" that exists is wise.

And to hardcore newbie,
Yes, I'm saying that since he created the world, I'm confident that he certainly has more wisdom than the man he put on it.

But you haven't gotten to it. This God's still hiding, at least from me. He's not giving his reasons for his rules. He still needs my love for some reason. I ask why he needs my love in order to avoid torture, or at least not have eternal life.
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really i have if ur to blind to see it it's not my fault

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Az the world turnz!!! :stoned:

To me, the flaw in science is that it ignores the wisdom in things evolving into a perfect environment. Things don't evolve perfectly like that without wisdom. Example, you say that evolution brought us the sun and the earth. But I say, by wisdom the earth turnz to work perfectly together with the sun. The wisdom in our universe is infinite, there's no denying that. Even if you want to say that there is no God, you have to admit that this "energy of life" that exists is wise.

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Things worked out quite well, for us. it's a great environment, for us. It might not have been so great for any other possible beings in the universe who've possibly had these exact same musings, or possible beings that didn't make it this far. Not to that that I'm not happy for it, but if it didn't happen that way, there'd be no sweat about it, we wouldn't be able to discuss it. I think, given 14 billion years, pretty much anything can happen. There doesn't need to be an "energy of life", and it doesn't need to be wise. Though it is a possibility, as always.

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And to hardcore newbie,
Yes, I'm saying that since he created the world, I'm confident that he certainly has more wisdom than the man he put on it.

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I didn't ask if you thought God was smarter than man

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Are you saying it's impossible to outsmart someone because they made you?

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If it were the case that your maker must always be smarter than the offspring or creation, we wouldn't have computers to have this conversation.

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To me, the flaw in science is that it ignores the wisdom in things evolving into a perfect environment. Things don't evolve perfectly like that without wisdom. Example, you say that evolution brought us the sun and the earth. But I say, by wisdom the earth turnz to work perfectly together with the sun. The wisdom in our universe is infinite, there's no denying that. Even if you want to say that there is no God, you have to admit that this "energy of life" that exists is wise.

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if you choose to ignore the billions upon billions upon billions of similar globes spinning through space, your assumptions have some merit. however; considering the possibly infinite number of planets floating in the heavens, random chance makes as much, if not more, sense as intelligent design. this egocentric view that humanity is the pinnacle of creation has given rise to an anthropomorphism of the infinite, what presumption. is it so hard to believe that such a collection of coincidences would occur somewhere within the immensity of the universe?

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really i have if ur to blind to see it it's not my fault

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Weird, I've given an open invitation for any "all knowing, all powerful" gods to show themselves. So far none have come. If they aren't all knowing, then I understand them not showing themselves, they may never have even known the request. I ask for all powerful beings, because if they are truly all powerful, showing themselves would take zero effort on their part. The Xian God apparently fits that description. If the Xian God is full of love, as most Xians would suggest, then it would reason that He loves me. I'm not asking God to bend to my will. I'm just asking for some conversation. If God doesn't want to converse, let it be known that I offered conversation, and He declined.

To all: Sorry for my post whoring today, I quite enjoy it tho. I'm just taking the entire mid-day to relax and engage in some good conversation. I'll probably be out of here in the evening, give you guys some breathing room :)

And yes, I realize the irony of making yet another post to apologize for post whoring :P

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Weird, I've given an open invitation for any "all knowing, all powerful" gods to show themselves. So far none have come.

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i was rather irritated that i didn't get an engraved invitation, but i realize that it would have been rather costly, considering the number of possible deities you would have had to sift through. i'll be over on the 6th at about 3am to discuss my omnipotence and the exact details concerning your conversion to delusionalism. i'd appreciate it if you'd have a bottle of jd handy, running the universe into oblivion is thirsty work.
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i was rather irritated that i didn't get an engraved invitation, but i realize that it would have been rather costly, considering the number of possible deities you would have had to sift through. i'll be over on the 6th at about 3am to discuss my omnipotence and the exact details concerning your conversion to delusionalism. i'd appreciate it if you'd have a bottle of jd handy, running the universe into oblivion is thirsty work.
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The open invite was done a long time ago in the privacy of my own bedroom, using thoughts only. If you were an all knowing being, you'd have known that ;)

Also, if you were all knowing, you'd know that I was unaware of your deity status. Cheers to deceivers :D

this link is a gift to all my fellow realists.

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The open invite was done a long time ago in the privacy of my own bedroom, using thoughts only. If you were an all knowing being, you'd have known that ;)

Also, if you were all knowing, you'd know that I was unaware of your deity status. Cheers to deceivers :D

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oh, i heard you in that bedroom so long ago (i also saw what you did later - for shame, for shame) and i know you have not yet come into the fold. there is still time for you to mend your ways. believe in me and you shall have a place at my side when i bring down my wrath on the rest of humanity. give to me your allegiance and you will be spared my terrible retribution. for i am a vengeful god and will not be refused.

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oh, i heard you in that bedroom so long ago (i also saw what you did later - for shame, for shame) and i know you have not yet come into the fold. there is still time for you to mend your ways. believe in me and you shall have a place at my side when i bring down my wrath on the rest of humanity. give to me your allegiance and you will be spared my terrible retribution. for i am a vengeful god and will not be refused.

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Sorry, I was mistaken, I now vividly remember that open invitation taking place in my living room. My bad, but you should've known that too ;)

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Sorry, I was mistaken, I now vividly remember that open invitation taking place in my living room. My bad, but you should've known that too ;)

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you've sent out that invitation so many times that even i can hardly number them. deny me all you wish, but remember my warnings. when the time comes for all to bow down before my majesty, only those who came willingly shall be rewarded and my punishments are varied and horrible. how would you like to listen to pat robertson and benny hinn for the rest of eternity or perhaps you might enjoy spending all time submerged in a fiery lake of tofu and bean sprouts. repent now and you may be forgiven. don't wait until it's too late.

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Are you saying it's impossible to outsmart someone because they made you?

If it were the case that your maker must always be smarter than the offspring or creation, we wouldn't have computers to have this conversation.
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very lame, he must be pretty smart as he's weeding out dumb asses by the thousands everyday u know letting satan run the place.and as far as him having to show himself to u, i see it everyday and in karate even. if a pupil challenged the teacher or called him out the pupil would find himself on his back, and more than not be kicked out. cause it's the teachers way not urs.u all will find out soon enough, or either u will all have space ships by then. floating around to the next planet as there will soon be a super nova/red giant., lol well really as smart as u all are u won't need space ships, u can transport ur selfs as u do now.

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very lame, he must be pretty smart as he's weeding out dumb asses by the thousands everyday....

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an omnipotent being that would purposely create a race of culls? you refute your own argument before your first breath ends. this god you have devised would seem to be a cruel and foolhardy master. it's amazing that such a disingenuous mythology could have spread so far.

Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn? I love comedies! But one thing's for sure, you are all knowing. How did you know that i despise veggies and sprouts? But just to be sure, I have to ask...

I'm thinking of a number between 1 and .... well, I'll make you tell me the range of numbers that I'm thinking of as well. Thanks :D

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very lame, he must be pretty smart as he's weeding out dumb asses by the thousands everyday u know letting satan run the place.and as far as him having to show himself to u, i see it everyday and in karate even. if a pupil challenged the teacher or called him out the pupil would find himself on his back, and more than not be kicked out. cause it's the teachers way not urs.u all will find out soon enough, or either u will all have space ships by then. floating around to the next planet as there will soon be a super nova/red giant., lol well really as smart as u all are u won't need space ships, u can transport ur selfs as u do now.

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He doesn't HAVE to do anything. But again, I've extended conversation, and I'm waiting.

And i don't know what martial arts you practice, as we regularly sparred with our trainers. Generally then instructors that don't want you to spar with them are
a) not very good and just taking your money
b) give wishy washy explanation about only using their arts when necessary, yet encourage their students to participate in tournaments.

I don't have a reason to challenge my trainers, I spar with them all the time. They're pretty friggin good too.

The analogy is further flawed by the fact that I'm not challenging God, I'm asking for conversation.

And for the supernova thing, you keep bringing it up like I think it's going to happen tomorrow. I *think* it *might* happen in some millions of years. We've produced incredible technology within the last few hundred, so any thing's possible.

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Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn? I love comedies! But one thing's for sure, you are all knowing. How did you know that i despise veggies and sprouts?

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then i'll put you down for the tofu and sprouts special

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But just to be sure, I have to ask...

I'm thinking of a number between 1 and .... well, I'll make you tell me the range of numbers that I'm thinking of as well. Thanks :D

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so far you've changed the number 27 times, oops make that 28. as an official deity, i refuse to play such games. remember, i'm not bound by human morality and if you don't start shaping up i'll have you spending eternity as jerry falwell's sex toy.

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then i'll put you down for the tofu and sprouts special

so far you've changed the number 27 times, oops make that 28. as an official deity, i refuse to play such games. remember, i'm not bound by human morality and if you don't start shaping up i'll have you spending eternity as jerry falwell's sex toy.

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I think we'll stop here as, even tho funny, it's getting absurd and off track. My imaginative hat is tipped towards you, whichever direction you may be in.