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I tried my first GD last night. I baked/cooked the batch on Thursday. I haven't been that stoned in a very very long time. In fact, I still feel extremely slow right now and it's been over 8 hours since I did it. This way to injest the THC can definitely come in handy one day where smoking just isn't an option.
I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet....
could it possibly be that, for the people who have tried making GD and failed, and continued tweaking their method of making it that, perhaps it's not the concoction that's not working, and instead, is your metabolism?
I know for a fact that eating any marijuana-infused baked good can only get ME to a certain level of stoned, no matter what the potency (i know it sucks). knowing that i only respond one way to eating it, is it possible that for the people who have had little or no luck after many many attempts that it just may not be in their genetics to respond to ingesting a marijuana food product?
next time you make a "bad batch" or if you have some saved up, try it on someone else, someone you know responds well to digesting it, or even someone who has tried GD before.
and it looked like there was still some confusion as to why adding the GD to any alcohol makes it go through your system faster, so let me just clear that up. anatomically, alcohol is #1 priority in your body when consumed. that means that you could have eaten a BigMac meal w/ a shake, some beef jerky, and a box of Reese's Puffs Cereal and (aside from having really bad diarhea) after drinking several beers, your body would stop digesting anything else in your stomach, and work on getting the alcohol OUT of there. it makes sense that if you add a little GD to a beer, it metabolizes quicker, thus giving you the effects sooner.
I can't wait to make this stuff, and hope to have positive results. I'm banking on this stuff breaking my "meh" streak w/ eating the edibles. Better luck to those of you having trouble, I'm sure my first several bad batches will be donated to the kitchen sink anyway :)
I appreciate the knowledge, and tutelage. I would like to give you my experience in half assing your wonderful, but somewhat offensive tasting recipe so others can learn from my experiments and failures, perhaps it was so foul because I first extracted 40% or 50% possibly more? of the potency via., a 1.50 inch thick wall PVC. pipe and highly refined butane....the extraction method is on this site under concentrates and the butane @lucienne.com., I just wanted to see how it turned out. My final dosage was about 45cc, I am fairly well medicated, but it is well within tolerance levels. That much at once is flat brutal and I couldn't find anything to kill the taste. I somewhat followed the recipe x 8. 1 oz. of good medicine and only 12 oz. of clear springs 190proof grain alcohol, I was a little nervous cooking more than that on the gas stove. Still got a hard rolling boil at 168, so I backed of to 166 at 35 min. and I only extracted once.....I broke the garlic press......I ended up with about 430 ml. of depleted and probably overcooked liquid. I also baked the medicine @ 325 for 5 min., before I did the butane extraction to see if it would increase potency. It was much darker than the un baked oil, it only yielded about 3/4 a gram., for 1oz. but it did seem to be stronger. The unbaked medicine is sometimes almost as clear as good honey and theres an average of 2 grams per oz. The concoction I made took effect in 5min., and was at full strength in 15min., and was fully active for......I'll let you know...lol. 22cc lasted for 5 to 6 hr., so I'm sure it will be at least that for 45cc.. Did you like her Tincture of Mars as far as potency goes, compared to the Green Dragon?.
just finished my first attempt. i followed directions on the first page other than the fact that i used a bit more 151 and i added about a half 1/8th of abv to the mix. i was surprised when i took the weed out of the oven because i thought it was too brown, and by the time i finished it was quite brown. i think this may have to do with the fact that not only did i use 151 and no everclear, but because of the extra abv. anyhow, it smelled super dank and so i took a spoon full with some koolaid. we'll see how it goes! i
It looks like he started a second sentence, and just stopped dead in his tracks! "We'll see how it goes! I ...." Stuff kicks in suddenly and strong!Quote:
Originally Posted by seelos
All joking aside, let us know how it goes!
well it wasn't as successful as i felt that it had been. i took a bit less than a teaspoon (i have about 1.5 oz) and the effects are quite mild, even negligible. i used a pyrex cup instead of a mason jar, i wonder if that was insulating the alcohol too much. I could only seem to get it up to 165 or so. Thinking back i wish i would have boiled it a bit harder, but as the original recipe called for lower temperatures i figured it should at least be close enough. When i baked it, the smell was never that strong, but it smelt more like when i use my vaporizer. when i opened the oven there was a decent puff of vapor and the weed had lost a lot of its color and was fairly brown but not as brown as my abv. Any ideas? im bummed, that's an 1/8th of grapefruit haze i can't blaze
sorry for the double post but my roommate tried a spoonfull today on an empty stomach and says it's definitely a nice body high. i'm thinking it was just baked too much, as it was quite dark when i brought it out of the oven..
Made a new batch of green dragon last night.
Used 2 oz Devils Springs Vodka (160 proof) and 6 grams of dank (grapefruity flavor).
It came out really nice.. it has a great color and is super strong.
Thanks again for the recipe Master Wu :)
You may have baked it too much and too long. What temp and how long?Quote:
Originally Posted by seelos
I baked it for 5 minutes at 325 as directed, but i think it was too long or my oven was too hot. it's only 2-3 years old so i thought it would be accurate but hindsight i should have put a thermometer in there for good measure (pun unintended). As an update, i took two spoonfulls yesterday and it was quite nice unfortunately i only have another 5 doses that size. none the less, thanks master wu!
Yep, it's kind of a pain but you do need to test your oven. Fortunately, oven thermometers are pretty cheap. A pizza stone or something like that helps with temp spikes too.
Another couple of causes of vaping out weed during decarboxylation are grinding the herb too fine &/or spreading it out too thin on the foil.
Hmm just occurred to me - heavy cast iron skillets & such could serve the same purpose as a pizza stone/tiles...
I'd suggest getting the thermometer, and also maybe trying a lower temp as well. I usually stick with 200F and longer than 5 minutes (check earlier posts to see how long --- it's been awhile and I don't remember!). I've always had great results with this.
Also, be sure your oven is fully preheated. If the oven is not preheated, then you can have very very hot spots next to the heating elements as the oven comes up to temp.
- Select your temp.
- Put in an oven thermometer.
- Get the oven preheated for a good long time
- Make sure the thermometer matches what you selected.
- Put the weed in the oven quickly, without leaving the door hanging open too long. (You don't have to rush, just don't let the oven cool so much that it has to kick on the elements again to get back up to temp.)
- Keep an eye on the time, and pull it out when ready.
You should be OK.
The fact that your weed seemed a bit over-toasted leads me to think this is where they problem occured. My weed usually loses a tiny bit of green and takes on a very light brown hue, but the color change is not dramatic.
Well... i dont remember if i already posted this in this same thread, anyway i will post again.
The "cooking weed" step can be replaced by microwaving the weed. Instead to put it in the oven at 325F for some (dont remember how long) time, put the weed (whole, and NOT ground) in a dish, add some water (do not soak it... add only enough for make it wet) and microwave it until the water evaporates completly and the weed turn completly dry, crunchy, and somewhat darker.
The time it takes depends on the amount of weed, water, and the microwaves potency, but it varies between 1-5 minutes.
Doing this in the microwave prevents any loss of THC by evaporation, as the microwave (supposedly) cant reach temperatures far higher than 212F (waters boiling point).
You can also smoke this "activated" (microwaved) weed... sometimes it becomes WAY stronger than it was... :stoned:
does anyone have any confirmation of the last post? if so, it would great advancement in perfecting this procedure.
I have not tried it myself but I have heard of microwaving weed, and it the logic of the explanation makes sense to me. Also, Coelho is knowledgable about this stuff, so I think you can trust he is not steering you wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Otusb12
Personally, I am definitely going to try this method the next time I make GD --- I'm pretty sure that the times I have been unhappy with a batch, it was either because I vaped out some good stuff, or didn't carboxylize enough. So if this method is more foolproof, and less risky, I think it is worth a try.
I tried the microwave method with good success. To reduce the possibility of over cooking (and flames)I ran the microwave for one minute intervals and stirred the herb before restarting the microwave. Did this 3 times then reduced the time to 30 seconds. It took 4 or 4.5 minutes to dry out about 1.5 grams of herb but it was very wet. It smoked better and seemed to have some new dynamics, but it is a little hard to judge since I was stoned at the end of my experiment.
In an attempt to enhance my results I cleaned a joints worth of herb, placed it in a measuring cup (Pyrex to deal with heating), but instead of putting water on it I added half of an eyedropper of some very strong tincture. Just enough to make it quite moist, but not sitting in a puddle like I had done with water on my first batch.
Because of the small quantity involved I ran the microwave at 10 second intervals, stirring between each restart. After 30 seconds (3-10 second cooking periods) I switched to 5 seconds intervals for a total of 45 seconds total.
The effects were impressive, got nothing done for the next 3-4 hours,with residual effects for about 2 more hours after that. Certainly worth trying again when I have the time to be that immobilized.
The tincture I used has been made the old fashioned way of soaking in alcohol for a month, what made this tincture particularly potent is that I have used the same alcohol (1.5oz vodka) to soak about 2 grams at a time, 3 different times. That is that this 1.5oz of vodka has been used marinate 6 grams of reefer over the past 90 days.:thumbsup
Isomerization
so anyone have any opinions on this method?
Well... i did read it long ago, but never tried it, because it needs some stong acid, and i have none.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfgar
Anyway there are easier ways to isomerize the cannabinoids... this methods may not be so efficient, but they work well enough... look at:
http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/1...en-dragon.html
:thumbsup:
hey im trying to make my bf a bottle of green dragon. i want to use a fifth of belvedere or a nice bottle of whatever alcohol works best. my question is can i take the 2 oz. that this recipe will yield me and simply combine it with the fifth and if so what would be the dosage of that concoction? i was thinking like one shot? also will stems give me the same potency as just regular weed? im not a big smoker so kinda out of my element with this. thanks!
MY question is what is the saturation point of how much thc can defuse into how much alcohol (Y). I realize with different potency in every ones pot this can't have a perfect answer but I wondered if someone who knows the chemistry involved could offer a dumbed down explanation of how much pot an ounce of everclear could absorb/bond with before it is supersaturated?
I have had success using the same alcohol to soak up to six grams of pot, 2grams at a time, by the end of the third soaking the liquid had lost most of it's alcohol flavor and I got really high smoking the residual pot( but that may have been tincture that dried on the weed.)
Is there a concentration point where diffusion no longer occurs?
I have used the microwave with success on several occasions to dry my reefer. First getting it moist, then nuking it a 5 and 10 second intervals, stirring between cooking periods until it was fluffy and dry. Today I tried 20 second intervals and on the third go round the weed caught on fire in a few places. This was by far the most potent weed I have used and I wonder if the oils/resins could have caught fire? Or did the extra time produce that much heat? Or maybe a little bit of both?:smokin:
This post made me laugh out loud!
Thanks:rastasmoke:
Popa
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
Went with a little more than half a zip(ok schmoke)/to a total of 5 fl oz(151 bacardi) ratio and made my first batch. Yeeeeeeehaw
Damn....it tastes absolutely horrible....So I'm sure it worked.
So dark green it's almost brownish dark green.
Through the grinder
325 preheated for 5 min flattened out in foil and wrapped
comes out a little brown and just beginning to stink a little.
I wouldn't screw with the microwave...The oven preheated to 325 works well.
Note: In order for me to get the Bacardi mix to 170, I needed to go; full-bore high on the electric burner I used.
Now....... I was wondering how people could have bad results and the ONLY thing I could think of was:
Some people may have made the mistake of keeping the water bath @ 170....
If the water bath is kept @ 170, then there is no way in hell the transfer is going to take place....b/c the Bacardi mix will only get to about 140 degrees....(if that). I believe the alcohol mix needs to be pretty damned close to 170 degrees for the 20 min to get the magic to happen.:thumbsup:
Doesn't hurt to empty the mixture once finished and add one more fl oz of 151 to clean the sides and get anything that didn't transfer initially :rastasmoke:
Possibly let it go for 8-10 more min then strain using whatever creative method you choose.
I began with 4 fl oz. Reduced, I got 2.5 fl oz.
Then I added the extra fl oz to clean the sides and whatnot. That reduced to .75 fl oz
Probably a total of 3 or 3.5 oz in the jar!
Thanks for the recipe...Wish there was a way to make it a little more "drinkable" I read something about sweetener someplace.
In order for me to strain it, I used tea bags(carefully opened and removed of tea)...Hey it's all I had.
I don't think I could stomach much more than I drank in one setting...Think I had about a shot glass full.
Will report on my trip.
Peace Love and Happiness People!!!:hippy:
Popa
Ok I bet no ones tried this, would it be better to leave in a a jar for two weeks after heating it? And how bad does baking it stink up your house? If you do it in a microwave does it smell less
Did you just say you used half an ounce of weed, made 3.5 ounces of green dragon, and drank a qaurter of it in one shot? Dude! You are going to go into a coma!Quote:
Originally Posted by PopaBean
Dude...It was good fun!!!
Funny thing....My buddy had a little the other night.
We were playing PS3 for about 1/2 hour when he set his controller down in the middle of the game and said...Dude..there is NO WAY I can play this game anymore.
Called me today and told me he woke up the next morning howdy high!!!
He's been slain by the dragon
LMAO
All good...Love the buzz but the taste is DISGUSTING.
Popa
Ha ha! Sounds like you had a good time! I was concerned maybe that would be TOO strong a dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by PopaBean
For the taste, mix with a shot of Creme de Menthe, and the flavor mostly disappears. Or shoot it down straight, and quick chase it with a beer to kill the taste.
To cover the smell of heating weed in the oven or microwave start some bacon in a skillet at a low temp at the same time you start heating your weed. Once the weed is dry crank up the heat on the bacon and finish cooking it. Bacon will be the last smell that you generate.
I added a shot of Amaretto to my 190 before making my last GD, it wiped out most if not all of the grain alcohol taste.
The bacon is a great idea that has a very powerful odor. Not so good for the heart though. Make sure to eat some hemp seeds with omega 3 to balance out that hog fat :P
If i were to add anykind of flavor I would think it best to do it after the extraction with the high proof alcohol.
Ok so some time ago i got a decent amount of weed so i decided to try it making some green dragon.
I boiled some amount of it (already properly microwaved and ground) (dont know how much... but surely less than 1g) in alcohol, then mixed it with some coffee and milk, boiled it to evaporate some of the alcohol, added sugar and drank. The taste was almost the same as the usual cofee with milk, i couldnt notice the weeds (or alcohols) taste.
I drank it some 40-50 minutes before, with an empty stomach, and this shit kicked in suddenly, just as i logged in. I was already feeling a bit "grogey", as it happens whenever the high is starting, but some 5 minutes ago it increased a LOT and very suddenly... now im already having some troubles to type, as my body is lagging behind my mind... like... i know what i want to write but my arms and fingers are wayy to lazy to type... so i will stop rambling and finish this post while i can... cause i feel soon i will leave this physical reality for a while... :abduct:
My face is already starting to smile by itself... yes... i think it will be a nice trip indeed... :stoned:
... or so i thought.
Here i am, some 5 hours after i drank it. The start was intense indeed, but it didnt increased any more... the high kept strong for some time, less than half hour, then decreased slowly and steadily... now im only a bit buzzed.
I dont know if i didnt use enough weed, if i didnt metabolized the THC properly, if all the THC was actually dissolved... anyway, better luck next time.
(VERY fortunately, now ive enough herb to try again and again until i get bored of it... ok maybe not so much... but surely its a lot :jointsmile:)
OK now i know what happened. I slept, and some hours later i woke, very stoned. But as i still was very sleepy i just come back to sleep. When i awoke i was still pretty buzzed, and kept this way for several hours after waking up.
So it seems my body stored a large amount of the ingested THC, and slowly released it later, when i was sleeping. What a waste... anyway, at least i know that mixing the green dragon with coffee and milk works, and that it tastes good. After the alcohol is evaporated, of course.
I'll be trying these as soon as I get an opportunity to use a oven. I'm going to use Master Wu's exact recipe. Thanks!
I been using this recipe for a time now.
It's great. I use coffee filters, and quadruple filter using a ball mason jar cover (with the hole in the top) and screw it over 2 filters at once.
It's a pure, dark green, dank liquid.
I've had variances in color from orange to deep blue green. All had me floored.
I make this shit for Lupus patients that can't smoke.
There seems to be a lot of mystery surrounding the decarboxylation, which is the crucial step, so I've been researching. I found this patent application for thca > thc conversion and extraction: Extraction of pharmaceutically active components from plant materials - Patent 7344736
The applicant tested samples at different temperatures for different amounts of time then perfomed chemical analysis. There are 2 main factors they consider: the conversion of thca to thc, which is what you want, and breakdown of thc to cbn which you don't want.
They got good results with 221 F for 4 hours, 248 F for 1 hour, or 284 F for a half hour. Those all gave 99% conversion of thca to thc. 248 F for 1 hour had somewhat less breakdown of thc to cbn than the other two temps so it seems like the best.
If you extrapolate from the data 200 F for 20min is inadequate; you'd maybe convert half of what's available.
Does anyone have an idea about the shelf life of green dragon? I keep it cool and out of the sunlight but will I lose strength over time? If so, what type of time frame would it be? Months or years?
To avoid the wonderful flavor of Everclear does a weaker % of ethanol effect the results. 151 rum would at least have a little flavor and sweetness to it. I know that a steeper gradient of alcohol will make the process more efficient, but could this not be compensated for by starting with a little more 151 (3oz vs 2oz of Everclear) and perhaps heating it for a little longer? I have had very good results with the soak and wait method using just 35% vodka, I just let it wait for a longer period of time.
Well... it seems green dragon loses its potency reasonably fast, in a matter of weeks... But it seems possible to restore its lost potency... look at:Quote:
Originally Posted by ky1956
http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/1...ml#post1764722
Well... the weaker the alcohol you use, more water it contains, and as the water hinders the THCs absorption by the alcohol, it makes the process less efficient, and also slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by ky1956
And heating it doesnt help much, because the alcohol evaporates before the water, so as more you heat it, weaker the alcohol becomes.
Anyway, it still works.
I also think green dragon has a bad taste indeed... so i tried some ways to make it more palatable... look at:
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentra...drinkable.html
And good luck! :thumbsup:
151 works well and gives it a funky tang that makes juice taste exquisite.
I followed this guide with AMAZING results! Instead of 1/8 oz, I used 1/3 oz of mids, and a mix of Everclear and pineapple rum... One mL did the trick for me, I was stoned as a rock! GREAT stuff!
Much better than the cold extraction method- like 200x better! :thumbsup:
so I spent like 20 minutes writing my experience up and decided to just make it into a semi-extended TLDR version lol. I don't really remember alot of it but this will give you an idea
I fucked up my first 2 trys making GD(bad oven thermometer, use a standalone now), 4 grams(2 each try) down the drain at that point. I made 2 more batches after I read up some more and figured it out, used 2g in one and 3g in the other. Drama happens, I get pissed, decide to try taking both batches(thinking "probably fucked it up anyways"), feels like shrooms coming on, that'd be the alcohol(4 shots of GD at ~90 proof,50% fanta 50% gd... ya), I'd eaten breakfast about 4 hours earlier, seemed to come up slow but consistent, wave comes in about 2 miles to the peak, still peaked 1hr, still peaked 2hrs, still peaked 3 hrs, why won't it slow down!?, shit I'm stuck in my computer chair, way too fucking high cant handle it anymore, try to stand up, fuck I cant even lift my own weight let alone balance, get on floor, crawl to bed, pass out, wake up 18 hours later.
Highest I've ever been, highest I will ever be. It was pretty hard to enjoy cause I couldn't really move much(thank god for computers! fingers are still pretty easy to move!) I felt really good the next day, that's for sure.
Pretty long for a TLDR eh?
BTW, huge props to everyone who contributed to this thread over the years. Made another batch later that week that came out just right, 2 ml doses of it was perfect.