Come on guys lets keep it civil. :jointsmile::jointsmile:
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Come on guys lets keep it civil. :jointsmile::jointsmile:
Yeah, my bad bro... sorry to slang shit in your thread... I've been in a lot of pain these last few days and pretty snappy. I wish there was an edit function on this board! ;) Marijuana effects/appeal is subjective so I don't know why I flipped shit so much. Sorry KR...
Peace
It's all good man, hope you get the pain under control. I have severe pain as well so I know how bad it sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
I feel like the Urkel OG was an A++. I cant say enough how much i really like this strain, and how amazingly well it was grown. I ve never even seen this strain anywhere else. Thank you so much CCF. Keep up the great work.
This is great :thumbsup:
As for me, I appreciate the reviews and all that, but as long as I keep my business with Bryan, I KNOW that I'm getting nothing but the greatest.
I'm just SOOOOO happy that B has his operation starting to hum. Like I told him, his vendors are top notch beyond a doubt, but his stuff is just different. Like when a cook TRULY loves cooking for others, it just tastes better. Period.
Of course, talent and hard work play a part too.
Looks like you found another Colt for your stable Bryan. And at this rate, you may need a whole room for the Urkel OGK :jointsmile:
You guys are too kind!! Im just happy I can make the world a little better of a place. One plant at a time, One patient at a time...:jointsmile:
On the horizon: Woody Harrelson Kush, Fire OG Kush, Razzberry Kush, and C99xTahoe OG:jointsmile:
That Fire OG is CRAZY. Tasted like it had a little hot mustard that you get at Asian places in it last time.
HAHAHA steve you come up with some of the most wild descriptions......:jointsmile:
is this the same pheno as last time? I'm telling you, it's in there.
With love to Kr, I agree with this. The whole evaluation scale is screwed anyway. I hadn't had any herb for 3 days, my longest break since getting my card in Early December, and I was back in at CCF today, grabbing The Diesel Dawg and more Urkel OG, and I'm saying, if people REALLY think there is better weed then this out there, they're living on a different planet then I am. NO offense intended, but it's my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
This bud is PERFECT looking, smelling and grown. The cure is friznuckin' perfect, and the trichromes are dead on. It's iced out through and through, while being sticky and firm to the touch. The taste is pure OG perfection with a subtle hint of grape soda flavor. After you take a hit, the room starts to smell of a garden in bloom. My kids asked if we'd brought flowers into our room. And that was the SMOKE, so you can imagine the hit. :smokin:
You can't do better than this. You can do a tad different, or an equal variation, but this is certified "as good as it gets". Equal, but not superior. Sure, we all have our tastes, and this may not be everyone's cup of tea, but from an unbiased standpoint, anyone who knows what they're talking about will say this is gold standard fare. How many Cups have you been to Bryan? What about the people reviewing the strains? What are their pedigrees? It's a fair question is it not?
Besides, the scales are skewered. It's is NOT a 0-100 scale, as there is NO way on God's green earth ANY of us are going to smoke weed that by looking at and smelling we judge to be a 50 "pointer" or less. NO way. If I have a 100 point chicken breast in my fridge, organic Colorado fair trade humanly grown hippie chicken, and I come back a few days later, and my mechanical brain looks at it and says, "Wow, this was a 100 point breast, now it's probably about a 50 pointer" I AM NOT EATING IT. It's got mold and smells, and so on. So we're not smoking that weed. So really, what is the lowest grade of weed we're going to smoke? 60 pointers? What is that? Kind schwag?
So for the sake of argument, a bud that looks tumbled, has messed up triches, tastes and smells like shit is what, a 60? Let's be real assholes and give it a 45, half of the Urkel OG, is that fair? Well, no not really. Because just like the rotten chicken meat, the herb is WORTHLESS. It's not HALF of what the Urkel is, it is 0% of it. It sucks while costing what, 10% less?
So what were really dealing with here is a scale of true medicinal herb. So lets say that the low end is an F at 60% and herb that is EXACTLY what it should be is 100%. So shit weed gets an F just for showing up, and that's 60% of the score? That's really fucked and makes no sense but let's move on. What it seems to me we are dealing with is the area from 60-100 percent, or 40 percentage points.
The Urkel OG got an A-, which is 90-91. That's about 75% of the TRUE possible points ranging from absolute awful shit weed coming in at 60 points (which again by some bent standard is about 66% of The Urkels' score just for being grown even if it is pure shit) to this undefined ideal of "perfection" that gets the 100% crown.
There is no way on God's green earth that this gets 75% of the possible points.
So if this is not as good as it gets, somebody PLEASE tell me and Bryan and everyone how to make it better, cause I can't see it. The guy is obviously passionate (like many of you are) and I bet if you have anything real to offer, I'm sure he'll listen. I know I'd like to know.
So just how do you make this 9 to 10 points (which is either 10% or 25% of the possible total score and huge either way) better???
Let's hear it. I'm ALL ears. :thumbsup:
peace and blessings to all
Damn steve I just read that whole post and im still a bit lost here... im a wait for this hash to wear off and try to read again :jointsmile:
Steve, I agree with a lot of what you say. Mostly, it is difficult to findQuote:
Originally Posted by FarmerSteve
a perfect grading system. The one our team is most familiar with is a
top-tier law school from experience. The worst student in that school has
the intelligence to be president (or something that actually takes
intelligence) and they will receive a C+. KindReviews doesn't pick up any
marijuana that wouldn't be accepted into such a school, they are all good
(or supposedly).
So the curve (we've redistributed the curve last night and will be updating
grades this week) is currently over 100 strains. That means 3 or 4 ONLY
will receive an A+ out of that 100. Same story for C+ which now has 4
strains. A and B- will each garner 10-15 strains, with A- and B holding
another 20ish. That gives B+ about 30 on its own and pushes our small
curve. We elected to make a shallower curve because we feel 50-60 strains
in B+ out of 100 doesn't assist the person who probably needs the site (or
any review board) the most. A brand new patient, novice smoker, or 60s
smoker only maybe doesn't need the Bruce Banner #3 or the Plum Kush to find
what they are looking for.
I know that only partially addresses your rotten chicken analogy, but the
truth is if they show up in our system they are good enough to make a top
tier law school, so D and F grades don't apply here. Black Magic and our
Purple Urkel sample rank as the worst, they are the bottom of the barrel
(they are both WAY better than any shit weed I smoked in high school but
they are the worst at this "gathering").
An A- for the Urkel-OG says this definitively, KR.com thinks this is above
average in a group of superstars, it stands on its own as an amazing strain
and should be acquired whenever possible. But it also says this, out of our
multi-reviewer team, reviewing on multiple occasions and under differing
circumstances we feel the Afgooey (Delta 9), the Blue Dream (CCH), the Hong
Kong, and the Skunk #1 (HC) all had more consistently strong effects than
did the Urkel-OG. Is that bad? No. Is it true? Yes - for us. We've
reviewed them all this exact same way. We are all in our 30s, we've all
smoked for 15+ years daily, some of us grow, we have different reasons for
getting our cards. If one strain makes all of us say A and another has one
A+, A, A-, A-, B, B it's getting an A- or B+ (and would probably be
re-reviewed just on that question, A- or B+).
The simple fact is, we may live on different planets and that's okay, but an
A or A+ grade won't go to a strain that has any reviewers on our team giving
it less than an A, we just can't do that because it's our standard.
Lastly, Steve and the rest, thank you for sharing your feedback. You all
forced us to redistribute the curve earlier than we planned and we forced
ourselves to make the time to do it - you will see many A- strains are now
B+ strains and so on. That's a good exercise for our team and it brings
additional value to our reader. I also want to make sure that people know
we appreciate the "experts" getting involved, commenting, questioning and
such, but we started the site for different reasons. My father's sudden and
severe headaches, our sister's chemotherapy, a grandmother's serious
question about paranoia. These are the people who need information the
most, the rest who enjoy the site obviously make us happy and we hope that
you too can add value for the clueless or questioning patient. I also
encourage you to go to National Weedographic - A Place To Share where it's an open forum
for all. Talk smack on KR.com, that's fine, goof out on some stoner shit,
that's fine, start a for real science discussion, I'd love it - just come
get (or stay) involved. I love this industry and have great passion for the
plant and its surroundings. Diatribe done... :)
I would love to take any of those strains mentioned and put them next to the urkle og and see what patients pick!!!!!!!!!!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by KindReviews
Then let's make that happen!!!!! You should also enter it in the Boulder Cannabis Cup, TheStrainMan, Channing (Denver Chronicle) and myself will be 3 of the 15 judges. Entries have to be in by April 1st. We should also coordinate a local blind test.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
Great idea Bryan!!!
^I know what I'd pick.
I guess it goes to show the inherent subjectivity to the weed experience.
KR thanks for that post. It helps kind of understand where you're coming from.
I've also been smoking for 15+ years. And I've been hitting dispensaries for nearly 6 months now. I had a good job that allowed me to sample 8ths/grams from places almost on a daily basis, i.e. probably as much as or more than marijuana reviewers.
CCF is the ONLY dispensary where I feel I haven't gotten some kind of tarnished bud be it either mold, wetness, immaturity, improper/no cure, chemical/neem taste, etc. This has happened multiple times at many dispensaries. Over time, I unconsciously started showing up at CCF more. I noticed over time that the quality was far above par across the board there. Yeah, you MAY occasionally be able to find something as good or better (debatable) at certain other dispensaries, but you will also be let down more frequently. And I know of no other shop with the in-house quality and selection... Even when considering THC up in Rollinsville - most of those jars are vendor weed from my understanding.
You know it started out FarmerSteve really talking these guys up. I went once and didn't really see what he was so excited about. I thought he worked for them! Then after 2-3 more trips I'm singing the same song!
So I see where you're coming from although we will have to agree to disagree. I've had Banner from D9, I believe it was number 3. IMO most of my purchases from CCF have been as good or better than the Banner. And good luck getting yourself some Banner anyway!! The only thing I really didn't understand was the stuff from Herbal Connections getting an A+!! I've been in there countless times and they've never had anything remotely good as what I've gotten at CCF. I sometimes wondered if they even had the connections. They have far too much questionable vendor product there. I suppose they could've gotten lucky with good product a few times.
And I understand you're not rating dispensaries! I guess I'm just trying to give some insight on why some people feel CCF got robbed. I just hope that you'll make it into CCF for a few more reviews so you may see what some of us see in CCF.
Peace
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Originally Posted by lampost
Herbal Connections never got an A+
Thank you, everyone, for your honesty and involvement. We will definitely
be back to CCF (we had some internal votes for A grade or better) so please
don't think we've closed our minds or lungs to what they are doing over
there. Be well!
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Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
I get that a lot :jointsmile:
It makes sense, and I REALLY appreciate KR taking my words with kindness AND the fact that it helped improve a flawed scale. Like lampost said though, it's all in the tongue of the beholder.
I'm just saying, unless you are really into one or two strains from different places, CCF is going to have across the board fire that nobody can match. Period. I've sat in awe watching lampost go through and review a LOT of weed, and even though I've never met him, I KNOW he knows what's up.
I've had everything I want to try in Metro/Boulder/Nederland with the exception of Banner, Tangerine Haze at THC, and Sage from OBM. I haven't reviewed anything on here unless I have something nice to say, my opinion is just that. But in all honesty, I've had CAM's supposed best stuff, and compared to Bryan's gear, it wasn't nothing, and the guys were dicks to me when I went in both times. That counts for something no?
Just my .02
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Originally Posted by lampost
:)
Bryan and I have laughed about this a few times. But I know now what I believed then, that his bud is unbeatable.
I'm not going to get into it, but even though I'm from an anti herb state, and cut my teeth on brick pack and mids, I have had amazing stuff. A FOAF in my 20's grew strains that were entered into the Cup (when it still mattered) and was KNOWN amongst PLAYERS (literal pro athletes and ballers) in the Phoenix metro area. His work has always been the standard that I have held as I have searched for the "holy grail grower".
And that's why I asked what people's creds were. You can drink wine for 30 years, even spend a ton of money on it, and till not know WTF you're talking about. I've drank for 5 or so years, don't have a lot of money, but I can, and have had discussions and tasting sessions with sommeliers and layman experts, and they are always impressed with what I have to bring. So length of time smoking means zilch.
That said, when it comes to MJ, my creds are weak too, with the exception of the fact that I have spent several hours with growers who have actually won awards for their work. And then there was the time the guys came back and we spent a good week smoking the VERY herb that won in Amesterdam while world class growers showed me what was up. I may not have as vast of knowledge, but I KNOW what world class marijuana looks, tastes and smells like.
And I would put my money where my mouth is to back that statement up. I'm always right here if anyone wants to challenge my declaration that CCF is THE spot in all of Colorado. And don't bring me ONE strain. That's great. But hitting a grand slam in the bottom of the 9th means little if you're hitting .115 with the rest of your work. What does it say about you as a grower, a supposed "professional" when you have one or two strains and the rest of your stuff is mediocre or just plain shit? I want at least 3 examples, and if I'm wrong, I'll admit it. But I know I'm not.
peace to all
I think it is important to add that in NO way, shape or form has anyone at CCF ever paid me, or boosted me, or promised me anything for me promoting them and their work. If anything, we talked about how I needed to pull back because of how my reviews may be received.
I do this for the love. The love of people who CARE about their craft. Be it MMJ, or serving a table, or fixing a car, I dig people who do it for the love. Because it ALWAYS, ALWAYS shows in their work.
^LOL Steve... I was just joking about you working there!! I definitely appreciate your taste Steve. The quality/consistency advantage at CCF is subtle... and it really doesn't become apparent until after you realize the consistency with a few trips.
Interesting about the Phoenix area... I also know a grower or two there near Tempe. They would've just been getting started about 9-10 years ago... so maybe not the same time period. A bunch of my friends moved out there after college...
Too bad you can't "medicate" in the lounges anymore man! They are stifling the recreational aspects of marijuana as best they can... no more hanging out with peeps and getting blazed in patients-only dispensaries!
Yes, it got an A+ for the Skunk #1 a few days ago which seems to now be an A after your new rating system.Quote:
Originally Posted by KindReviews
How do you become a judge at the Boulder Cannabis Cup? Are there any requirements (growing experience, number of strains tried, etc.)? Are you automatically nominated if you have a marijuana-related blog? I need to start one of these up mang! But I couldn't even make a cool-looking myspace page for my music in f'n http!
Bullshit!!! Call Chandra, She was happy to have received an A on that Skunk #1, ask her yourself. She was happy enough to tell Jason at Delta 9 and that's probably the reason I heard from Delta 9 in the first place. Let's not take up anymore of Bryan's thread with this. [email protected]Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
^You're right, my bad.... sorry KR.
I forgot that in my previous post I was just giving examples of bud I'd tried that I didn't think was better than POG.... rather than giving examples of A+ rated bud.
Bryan no more... I'm done. Peace.
Like I said let's do a blind challenge, Banner #3, Plum Kush and Urkle xOG. We can set that up for sure and we will get patients(none of which belong to any company) to judge. And that will be that, then across the board everyone will know.
Im actually looking to put on a Connoisseur's Cannabis Cup with a few other growers and patients from colorado. Ive been involved with too many shady sponsored cannabis competitions and if im going to enter in one I will only do so if I KNOW that there is no hidden interests and ive found the only way to do that is host your own....:jointsmile::jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by KindReviews
Perfect!! Let me know and I'll make sure Banner#3 shows up along side Plum Kush and make it blind so no one knows what's what.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
KR, I'm in. What do you have to lose? I'll supply my own U OGK, and as long as I can somehow sniff on a good amount of the other two herbs so that I have a chance to inspect the aroma, I won't need hardly any to actually eat and smoke/vap, and I will pay for it.
I'm not saying Bryan is God, but to say that his gear is on the lower end of the "excellent" spectrum is something that I quite frankly do not believe, so in consequence, I question all of your reviews. I'm not trying to be a jerk. Hell, it's hard for me to write that, even though I believe it to be 100% true.
And as has been discussed, there are a MILLION strains out there, and growing daily. I WANT to try them, Bryan can't grow them all by himself. I WANT to find stuff that's as good, or better, who doesn't?
And for the record, I don't think this messed up Brian's thread. If I were a newbie, I would find the kind and yet serious dialogue to be refreshing in an age where everybody seems to either scream at the top of their lungs or just says, "Fuck it/Fuck You" and quits.
For those who are working towards a better world, it will happen as long as we don't quit, but it will take work.
And this is good work. Let us celebrate our blessings :jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by FarmerSteve
Let's do it the right way, none of us are involved in anything except reading the results. I'm trying to figure out logistics to make sure that none of the testers have any interests in any of the establishments. If you will supply the U-OG then we have the contestants. How can we find unbiased patients who can't distinguish the smell or taste to any of the strains? Hit me in an email and you can help us figure this out. [email protected]
That's a good idea KR! I'd love to participate in something like that...
Also Bryan that sounds like a sweet idea putting on your own Cup.
Peace
KR, I'll hit you in the next 36 hours, I'm running on almost no sleep the past 4 days and I am borderline tripping.
I look forward to it.
:rastabanna::rastabanna: 10K VIEWS !!!!! :rastabanna::rastabanna:
Hey KR, why can't I do it? I'll pay for whatever I get. I won't know the banner from the plum Kush (?), and I'll give in depth details. And of course I need a few days to try them all when I am sober.
What does anyone have to lose?
B, congrats on 10K!!
^I was hoping to be a "tester" too, but I see the conflict of interest from KR's point of view. Although I'd give a perfectly unbiased analysis... I'm sure we seem like CCF fanboys at this point Steve!
I actually hadn't tried the POG from Bryan, but I'd had enough of his stuff and similar-type strains from him (White Bubba) that I felt I could speak on its quality. But again, I'm pretty sure I could tell which is which by looking at them, so you'd have to take my word on an unbiased choice...
That's not how this ones gonna roll. There are five judges, two of which are growers, 2 of which own dispensaries (none of them have any interests in CCH,Delta9 or CCF) and one guy who seems to know his stuff. The sample will not be reviewed on looks or smell until after they have been smoked and not everyone will get the same strain on the same day. I feel this is the only fair way to do a blind test to find a true winner, and if you notice I picked an A strain and an A+ strain for the challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarmerSteve
And Bryan could you set a side a 1/4 of the Purple Urkel x OG Kush? I'll pick it up Friday.
Looks like the POG was out when I stopped in tonight, but who knows what B's got coming up...
So are you doing this for your website now? Have any of the judges done reviews for KR before?
How do we KNOW that there's no bias from your judges? Because you said there wouldn't be? Because I can trust strangers? I don't know these people. I'm FAR, FAR REMOVED from the MMJ scene, but I have to imagine that there's clicks and clubs and paths cross. Should I just take your word on it that nobody is on the take somehow or has vested interests.
And why can't I do a personal review for this board? I was right about CCF wasn't I? NOBODY told me about what kind of stuff they had. NOBODY. Everyone claims to have the fire, but few really do. I have read posts on here of people who have smoked the SAME herb from C-3 that I had just picked up, and they RAVE while I throw it away. No shit, that has actually happened. So I'm not doing it to post up in my shop, "Farmer Steve of IKNOWMOREABOUTWEEDTHANYOU.COM says our SuperGirl's Pussy is the best sativa in Denver". :(
And I'm not doing this to sell magazines or web banners on my site, and besides Bryan, I don't know another soul who's invested in the MMJ game. And even then, I probably haven't spent 1 hour speaking to him in real life. At his shop. When I was BUYING his work.
This goes WAY beyond CCF or Bryan or anything else and speaks to a bunch of other issues for me. The way I'm seeing it, you're being a hypocrite by expecting me, or anyone else to trust you, while you say "Nah, you claim CCF has the best herb in town, you're biased". WTF?
Maybe this hasn't come across, but the ONLY, the ONLY thing I am biased towards is GREAT herb. I don't play games and I don't pull punches. Why would I? Truth be told, I really like the guys at Greatful Meds, they HOOK you up for making the drive, which is beautiful and easy for me (At least they have me, and I'm not talking 4.2 1/8ths here) and their bud is SOOOO good.
Meanwhile, I LOATHE the drive down to Colfax, it's awful and out of the way, and Bryan has been generous, but NOWHERE near what GM does (and I don't blame him) and yet, and yet I am STILL at CCF every week. I'm also a father of 4 on a very tight budget. So what does that tell you? The bottom line is if I find better, I'm going to say so and then go buy it. Unless it's like that one fella who thought his herb was worth like $80 an 1/8, and even THEN, if it was THE SHIT, I'd buy it.
I have no allegiances to anyone. I care about love, art, and craftsmanship.
I was never suggesting that I be in your panel of "Unbiased" (As if there is such a thing) judges. I simply want to evaluate YOUR claims. And seemingly, I'll have to take your word for it based on a matrix of standards that you don't seem ready to live up to yourself.
What am I missing?
peace.
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Originally Posted by lampost
Like I stated before none of the judges will have any involvement in any of the company, I tried to get Steve to help with the selection of Judges, but he had some sleep issues and people responded to our ad to judge a blind test and people jumped at the chance. No none of these people have ever reviewed for KindReviews as we don't have guest reviewers EVER at KindReviews (same people all the time) in order to preserve the accuracy of our reviews. No I don't plan to post on my site, we don't go out of our way to bash people. This is just a great way to see where we are all at and you guys wanted it. Most of these questions were answered in previous posts.
Eh enough out of me...
can u please update the menu i was thinking about coming down from the fort an was wondering what was in. thank u god bless.
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Originally Posted by dankzilla86
Strain - 1.0g / 3.5g / 7.0g
Chem 91 - 25 / 60 / 120
Golden Goat - 25 / 60 / 120
Jillybean (sweet orange pheno) - 25 / 60 / 120
Cinderella 99 (grapefruit pheno) - 20 / 55 / 110
Purple Haze x White Rhino - 20 / 55 / 110
Arcata Trainwreck - 20 / 55 / 110
Lemon Skunk - 18 / 52 / 104
Bubbleberry - 18 / 52 / 104
Skunk #1 - 17 / 50 / 100
Pineapple - 17 / 50 / 100
White Widow - 15 / 45 / 90
Blueberry - 15 / 45 / 90
Mixed Grade Bubble Hash: $25 / 1 Gram
#25u (Full Melt / Semi-Melt) $40 / 1 Gram
#73u (Full Melt) $40 / 1 Gram
#90u (Full Melt / Semi Melt) $35 / 1 Gram
#90u + Kief (Full Melt / Semi Melt) $35 / 1 Gram
Earwax: $25 / .25gram
Co2 Oil: $60 / 1gram