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wow those look great. idk if i mentioned it but coco rules soil lol. def know those ladies would be bigger in larger pots. but man, they look gorgeous.

i guess if you think those lower branches need some more time, chop the colas but if it were me i'd take it all down at once. great job though dai, ya did an excellent job.

mgm

So do you have to keep transplanting up in coco for root room like soil or is it like hydro in like the plant doesn't outgrow the space?

You can snip the main cola and let the rest go longer.....but be prepared that it will halt things for a few days while the plants collect their (now headless) thoughts and start up again.

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So do you have to keep transplanting up in coco for root room like soil or is it like hydro in like the plant doesn't outgrow the space?

You can snip the main cola and let the rest go longer.....but be prepared that it will halt things for a few days while the plants collect their (now headless) thoughts and start up again.

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Coco is a bit odd. Additional root space will create bigger plants and bigger buds but as long as you can keep the medium wet you can keep a plant in the same pot for an indefinite amount of time.

To give you an example.... the smallest plant I have a picture of, the one in the white pot, is in what I was told is about a 1 gallon pot. I did not transplant until at least 2 weeks into flowering from a small 4" pot into a 1 gallon pot. It is still flowering and looks healthy as can be. The buds aren't too bad either; however they aren't massive..... At the same time I think that plant is much bigger than most plants would be in a 1 gallon pot and this is due to the coco and it's near inert properties.

Salt build up isn't really an issue; coco is fairly inert; retains up to 300 times it's moisture and mixed in with a 1:3 ratio of perlite:coco it is very well aerated, It can handle a PH range of 5.2 - 6.8 (yes... it can really handle that wide of a ph range).

Because of all this the coco does nearly all the work for you so long as you can make sure your plants stay wet all the time. People on drip ring setups with coco grow some phenomenal plants.

I would stay with coco since I love it and have become a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE advocate for it but I'm wanting to move away from a non resuable medium and having to move my plants from the grow room to the bathroom all the time.

So to go back and answer your question... Yes the roots get cramped but it doesn't flip out like it does in soil. Just look at my plant in the white pot :)

Thanks for the info Dai.

Yes..it's interesting because I germ every seed with rapid rooters. But I use a different ph depending on where I'm going to be putting the seed......5.6 ish for hydro and 6.5 ish for soil........but they are BOTH in the same rapid rooter so I've always wondered about the ph thing.

There's no getting around the ph issue though......if you get ph lockout it's a PITA to fix in soil vs hydro. How about coco?

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Thanks for the info Dai.

Yes..it's interesting because I germ every seed with rapid rooters. But I use a different ph depending on where I'm going to be putting the seed......5.6 ish for hydro and 6.5 ish for soil........but they are BOTH in the same rapid rooter so I've always wondered about the ph thing.

There's no getting around the ph issue though......if you get ph lockout it's a PITA to fix in soil vs hydro. How about coco?

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Well that's just the thing. It's very hard to get to a PH lockout situation even if the ph just fluxuate. You would have to dip into the 4's or the 7's.

I hand water the coco to waste (10-15% runoff) which ensures that you don't get salt buildup that could mess up the ph chemistry in your medium since coco is fairly inert; in addition to this I run a flush once every 4 weeks just like in soil or soilless.

For coco I try to keep my ph at about 5.6 - 5.8. Which I believe is about the same for hydro. The roots have better access to nutrient uptake at lower PH ranges; however you must use a lower TDS/PPM if you use a lower PH.

I pretty much just follow the instructions on my nute bottles and feed according to what their feeding schedule = in PPM. So far in coco I haven't exceeded 1000ppm at ph 5.6. I've read some people running a PH of 5.2 but running a PPM of only 800 or 900. I wouldn't want to go that low but people do it.

For rapid rooters regardless if it's going in hydro, soil, soilless or coco I have been misting them with ph 5.6 water. That's just me; I don't know if there is a "best" situation for ph'ing them. Probably the method you described (choosing a PH according to what your future medium is going to be) is most likely the best.

after rummaging through Weedhounds grow log I found some pics to compare my buds to

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ml#post1937279

So it looks like I'm right on track. I have 3 weeks to go (roughly) and my nugs look like they'll do at least as well as Weedhounds but I doubt I'll hit the 10 ounces on Ike that she did.

I think if I'm lucky I'll hit 4oz per plant (average) and more likely to be 3 oz per plant.

I still can't complain though. The plants are looking fantastic.

Well I got 3 of the new clones to root and about 9-10 more still looking fairly good (considering I left the dome off). 3 of them are in the hydro setup and doing fairly well. I haven't noticed any growth but it hasn't been very long; Less than a week and they weren't super well rooted so they're probably still making roots.

Also a handfull of clones in the dome had some mold/grey fuzz growing on them. I amputated the effected parts and am hoping for the best. Tomorrow is Dec 5th and it doesn't ook like all my clones are going to be rooted well enough to put into the hydro setup but it does look like they're rooting and I'm fairly confident I'll come out of this with 12 clones or so.

I'm about to transplant my mother plant into a 2 gallon pot and take some more cuttings off her. I'm aiming for 30-32 cuttings and I'll pick the healthiest ones out of there.

I'll be buying a big sack of hydrotron today and some more pots. Looks like I get to have more fun washing/stabilizing hydrotron... w00t.


ps: It's amazing. My PH pretty much doesn't ever go above 5.8 now (in the hydro setup). I put in a little under 0.5 ml of ph down per 3-4 gallons of nutrient solution to drop it down to 5.5-5.6 and then allow it to rise on it's own over a 24 hour period.



So my check list for tonight:

• Check flowering plants to see if they need more watering.
• Change out the resevoir for current plants in the hydro setup.
• Transplant SNLxNH mother plant
• Wash out a 50L sack of Hydrotron
• Presoak the hydrotron in ph 5.5 water and check on the ph frequently.. drain the hydrotron out when it rises 3-4 points from where I left it and resoak in freshly ph'd water.

mold....too wet. Are you misting the clones themselves or just the dome and the rrs?

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mold....too wet. Are you misting the clones themselves or just the dome and the rrs?

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Just the domes and the RR and I only do it about twice a week. I think maybe some water may have leaked down from the dome onto the plants.

Plus the plants that got mold were the same plants that were on the verge of death after I left the dome off. They were kind of weak looking (you could tell they went through hard times) and I suspect that may also be a contributing factor. In either case I amputated all the necessary leaves and I think they'll make it through.

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PS....again....not knowing coco or what nutes your are running my plants went to 1950 ppms from about week 3 on to the time I flushed them so they take a good strong number of nutes.

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I don't know why I missed this until just now. You know that's a good question. I am feeding 16ml of PK 13/14 and 16ml of Boost per gallon. In addition I am using 4ml of calmag (which I am now cutting out completely since it contains Nitrogen).

Let me look up what that is equal to on canna's website and get back with you

I am going to estimate my tap water to be a harsh 350ppm (this is an estimate. I'm a bit in the poor house at the moment and can't buy a TDS until after xmas. I might ask my g/f to buy me one as a gift.).

No clear numbers but going off the grow schedule and the info I found there I would estimate myself to be at about 900-1000ppm total.

I am not using the canna coco A/B since it was pretty high in nitrogen and all I really wanted was the PK since I got a little nitrogen from the calmag.

My next set will be in Hydro and I'll try upping the PPM late in flowering then.

What do you recommend for nutrient strength for most of flowering on this strain?

Well I certainly can't speak for coco......only for hydro but they ARE a cross......even though they are their own strain so I took mine to 1950 (@ 700 conversion) BUT I use Cal Mag all the way through since my hydro man insists they need CalMag through bloom.....and he runs it with 50/50. I tweak it just a bt so that my CM is probably about a third of the total, half being bloom nutes and enhancers and the rest is Liquid Karma and Sweet.

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Well I certainly can't speak for coco......only for hydro but they ARE a cross......even though they are their own strain so I took mine to 1950 (@ 700 conversion) BUT I use Cal Mag all the way through since my hydro man insists they need CalMag through bloom.....and he runs it with 50/50. I tweak it just a bt so that my CM is probably about a third of the total, half being bloom nutes and enhancers and the rest is Liquid Karma and Sweet.

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Really? 50/50 seems a bit on the high end even for hydro. Do you use RO water or tap? The reason I am using calmag with my current grow is because Coco will leach Calcium; creating deficiencies within the plant. I use Calmag in my tapwater just to be extra cautious.



Oh and great news.. my rooted clones have gone from 3 confirmed to 5 confirmed with more on the way. I suspect I may have 7 rooted clones by december 5th and all of them rooted by December 8th maybe! Well not all of them but the ones that survived anyway.

YAY!

Also I moved some hydrotron pebbles out of the way where some pots were and the roots are growing like mad!!! They seem to be loving this hydro setup!

Sounds high to me to but the man hasn't steered me wrong yet so I do what I'm told. I asked him once about cutting out CM in bloom and he was VERY strong on no....keep using it all through the grow.

Good to hear your kids are growing some feet. :thumbsup:

3 more little clones showed their tiny roots, giving me 8 confirmed rooted clones.. hopefully they'll be a bit bigger today. Unfortunately my new batch of hydrotron isn't done. Hell it isn't even washed. I was too tired to take it outside and give it a good hour long rinse with the gardening hose. I'll try to get that done today and at least get it soaking.

I left my clone tray on the warming pad and I really hope they don't dry out. they were slightly dryer than I would've liked this morning and meant to mist the RR's before I left the house but I forgot.

I may try to duck out of here early just to check on them/make sure they live.

We'll see.

I watered all my plants yesterday and two of them look like they need only about 2 more weeks. 2 more look like they need about 3 weeks.. and the rest look like they might need another month to finish. Which is unfortunate because I was wanting to make use of that HPS immediatley. Looks like I'll have to flower my clones under my 400 watt light. Maybe I'll at least get a hortilux for it.


Going to be a busy bee tonight

On my to do list

• Wash hydrotron/presoak it
• Mist clones
• Transplant SNLxNH mom and water/feed
• Feed my WW and PP mom's
• Feed my MK mom with nute solution high in PK and a bit of Boost (canna version of sweet). Going to top her soon and try to make a clone. I really don't like the way she's coming out.. very lanky.. and I'd almost prefer to start over.
• Clean/organize the Grow room (sweep, vacuum, remove trash)
• Organize 400 watt Area (secure leach trays, lift ducting, Lay some panda film on the floor, etc etc).

I'm sure there is more I need to do but that's a start. Should be about 2-3 hours worth of work right there alone :(

X-Crispi got some lanky MK's as well.....I've only gotten one poor one out of two batches of feminized seeds (vendor seeds) but the lanky one we had sucked royally and we got rid of it.

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X-Crispi got some lanky MK's as well.....I've only gotten one poor one out of two batches of feminized seeds (vendor seeds) but the lanky one we had sucked royally and we got rid of it.

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Admittingly I feel the lankiness is my fault. I didn't train it.. I had inadequate lighting... it was too far from the lighting and I'm sure other things. I tried to LST it about 2 weeks back and bent the stem (snapped but didn't break) and I just let it heal.. I got some side shoots but they aren't that great either. My best bet is to top it once I get all these other clones out of the way. I will probably take some MK cuttings in another week or so and try to make a new mom out of it.

Got home a bit early and ran up to check on the clones. I have 5 additional clones that are definitely rooting.. so that gives me a total of 9 clones that have made it so far.

I haven't misted them yet but will in a few hours when the flowering area has it's lights come on.

PH rose in my resevoir from 5.6 this morning to 6.0, So it appears that it jumps a little under half a point every 8-9 hours. I may start setting the resevoir to 5.5 from now on just to give me that LITTLE bit of extra coverage. Should be good for 1-2 more hours. Eventually I'll be building an automatic PH dosing system.

Guess I'll start rinsing out the hydrotron now

Washed the hydrotron and have rinsed/ph'd it twice. I am trying to get it in PH water at least 8 times before I put plants in them. I think they'll be done soaking tomorrow around this time or earlier.

My clones are all rooting this time and I'm very happy so far.

I transplanted my SNLxNH mother as she was looking very unhappy. Pulling her out of the pot revealed rootbound conditions and atrophied roots against the walls of the pot. She was not happy at all. She should enjoy her new and last home.. a 3 gallon pot.

I will probably flower her when it looks like she's going to be getting rootbound and take a clone to turn into a mother.

Tomorrow or Sunday I am going to be taking a bunch of cuttings. I'm aiming for 30 cuttings or so.

Watered all my mother plants. The WW and Powerplant look fantastic!! but the Master Kush looks lanky and week. As soon as I get all these clones out of the tray I'm going to top it and take 1-2 more cuttings in an attempt to make a new mom and keeping it short and bushy this time.

Found out I can squeeze 7 pots into those leach trays which will be nice for my SOG setup.

I think I'll be able to chop down 2-3 of the plants in about 2 weeks. I couldn't get a loupe but I've been using my radioshack scope and I can't hold it very steady but it appears I'm about 100% cloudy right now with the very occassional amber (1 out of 100 trichs).

These plants smell so tasty.. sweet and sour. Almost like some flavor of bubblegum.

Hoping to have more pics Sunday or Monday.

Since It's a strain you haven't tried before I suggest looking at trichs but also doing some test runs along the grow to see where you like your weed to be when finished.
Snipping a bit of a bud will also make it ALOT easier to look at with your scope.

Oh....and ps ....I use RO water.....so CalMag all the way......can't say for tap water.

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Since It's a strain you haven't tried before I suggest looking at trichs but also doing some test runs along the grow to see where you like your weed to be when finished.
Snipping a bit of a bud will also make it ALOT easier to look at with your scope.

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This is true but it pains me to clip a bud. Should I clip a towards the top of the canopy or the bottom (not the main cola but one of the tops of the other side shoots?? I can cut a bud off all the plants that appear to be close to ready and test them all.

What would you recommend. I didn't have too many trichs last grow (grew shwag seeds) so I could really press the bud against hte scope to see. bleh...

Looking forward to your recommendation otherwise I'll be clipping just 1 bud off my most 'ready' looking plant and trying to setup a quick dry to test.

Well the top usually finishes earlier and all you need is a bit. But to see how much longer you think you have left, take a bud from the lower section of the plant. It will DEFINITELY be behind the stuff closer to the light.

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Well the top usually finishes earlier and all you need is a bit. But to see how much longer you think you have left, take a bud from the lower section of the plant. It will DEFINITELY be behind the stuff closer to the light.

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Word.. I'll cut a bud about half way down the plant.

Agree with weedy...up near on of the tops, like a few nodes down...just a lil gram or two.... over at 215deg...prolly 30 min will do it...gives ya the same decarbolaxation as if the bud cured......bueno
good vibes

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Agree with weedy...up near on of the tops, like a few nodes down...just a lil gram or two.... over at 215deg...prolly 30 min will do it...gives ya the same decarbolaxation as if the bud cured......bueno
good vibes

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I don't know if my oven goes to 215 degrees.. It only goes to 250 at it's lowest I think.

or put it on top of the tv or your pc or something and leave it overnight. It'll be ready tomorrow. ;)

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or put it on top of the tv or your pc or something and leave it overnight. It'll be ready tomorrow. ;)

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word.. going to find a bud right now :D

and I have a vaporizer.. no chlorphyll for me :D

Clipped 2 small buds off 2 of my plants and put them in the oven at 215 degrees. Going to wait about 25-30 minutes before pulling them out.

Also I now have 12 plants in my Hydro setup.

I have 2 more plants in the dome and they have a tiny root poking out but I probably won't put it into the system until tomorrow sometime.

I probably won't take my new cuttings for another week or so. I want to try to make some room in my 600 watt flower area before I start putting plants in there. If I wait a week that means the clones will be done in 2 weeks. In 3 weeks I hope to have at least 4 of the 8 plants chopped.

I'm excited. I'll let you know how the bud test goes.

Also it's worth noting that the first set of pots I got were kind of small. I bought more pots again recently and they were much bigger and seem much more suited for this setup. I anticipate the first 3 clones I picked will get root bound and may have to be cut down early.. Oh well.

All I have to say is WOW.. this strain has an amazing high. It's a soaring happy high. I feel elated and oddly enough; healthy??

I'm still thinking about 2 weeks. I'll take another little bud in 2 weeks and quick dry it to see if it's where I want it.

Trichs cloudy/clear. I'd say about 95% cloudy and 5% clear.

I can't wait to try out some SNLxNH myself D...I harvested my last grow in June and have not been growing since... Until recently I started some SNLxNH and some bagseed beans... Sux not having Meds, Sux even more knowing a ton of local growers that get really selfish and greedy around harvest time...enough with my babbling, glad your enjoying the fruits of your labor....and keep up the good work bruddah...:thumbsup:

Hey I love having my volcano! I don't know if you have to dry it before using the vaporizer though, I just crank mine all the way up to 10, and usually run a couple bags. Seems to work well, but to me the vape high is always different then burning it.:jointsmile:

Fuckin A D! Did great by that SNL homie!! Cant wait! Looks like I got 3 keepers outta mine, but they have A LOOONG way to go....
good vibes

Try it a few tiimes to make sure you get the same "buzz" and that it's not just your body trying something new. Let some ambers get on there and it'll way add to your body high as well. I love this strain myself. :thumbsup:

Watered the plants on sunday and inspected the trichs of the most done plants again. Much to my surprise I saw a good portion of the trichs as clear as opposed to a few days earlier they were all cloudy.

I talked to stinky about this and she says I have nothing to worry about but I am just boggled how I go from cloudy to clear in less than a week. Seems strange and I'm slightly concerned that my estimated harvest date is wrong and they might need longer.

I'm currently on day 66 I believe and I think I have 13 days left. A few of the plants won't be ready for about a month (they are slower at growing) it seems. Sucks!

Went ahead and took a bunch of cuttings on Monday. Enough to fill up another small grow area.

My 12 plants currently in hydro are growing beautifully. They no longer look like crappy little clones but instead plants that are 2-3 weeks old MAYBE. I'm very excited and next Monday I will be switching these clones to 12/12. I'm hoping for .5 oz per plant but I've been told if I hit 1/4 oz per plant I'm doing good. Really This is just a test run for me.

I believe a few of my plants will definitely be done by december 22nd. Either 3-4 plants will probably get chopped. The leaves are really starting to yellow and get pale. It's quite pretty actually. The buds are really starting to get dense. You can tell just by looking at them that they are much more compact than they were a week ago. I'm guessing it's really starting to ripen now.

In about 10 days I will begin flushing the plants that I am planning on chopping. I will probably flush with about 5-6 times the pot size which I am not looking forward to. Flushing plants usually ends up being an all day event for me. Another reason I am moving to hydro... hell let's list them now

Reasons for moving to Hydro:

• Soil/coco is dirty and my g/f's new cat likes to dig. Not to mention it can clog pipes if it gets down the drain in the tub when I'm watering it
  
• I have to move the plants from the grow area to the bathroom to water. Really I don't want the plants to ever leave the room for a number of reasons. I feel taking the plants out of their private environment is risky. Call me paranoid but I'd rather have them just stay put.
  
• It's easier to change out 1 res for 12 plants than it is to carry 12 plants to the bathroom for watering.
  
• Flushing takes forever in soil. In hydro it's just your resevoir you need to change.
  
• You don't have to dispose of hydrotron. It is a completely reusable medium. Which makes it easier when throwing out trash. You don't have to explain all the crap that might leak out of a trash bag from a cat tearing it up overnight when you leave it at the curb.
  
• You have complete control of the PH. It will never fluxuate if you stay on top of it... and as a bonus this is something you could completely automate so you never had to worry about PH.
  
• You know exactly how much of the nutrient solution your plants are using. With the resevoir you just dip a TDS pen in there and you know whether you should start feeding your plants more or less. It's a wonderful tool to have when trying to figure out optimum conditions for a new strain.
  
• It costs less in the end. Up front you invest some money; but over a few grows you could completely recoup your costs just from not having to buy the medium alone. My NFT setup (like stinky has) cost me less than $180 to make including the hydrotron which was the most expensive individual item I bought. I now have a hydro system big enough to grow 24 plants in a SOG type fashion. It's pretty much care free.. Meaning the only thing I ever have to do is check the resevoir for PH once a day and to change out the resevoir once a week.. Really much less work than taking care of plants in soil/soiless.

Anyway. I am going to water the plants tonight. They all need watering. Also I am going to take a few cuttings off the Master Kush and try to clone it and throw this one in flowering. I really am not impressed with the lankyness of it and it's probably my fault.

I don't have another dome to use to keep it humid so I'll be using some 2 liter bottles I have to help with that. Luckily I have 2-3 bottles to use. I normally don't drink soda but I had a bbq a few weeks back and thought these might come in handy eventually. :). If I can take 6 good cuttings off of the MK then I think I'll be able to pick a solid mum and treat her right this time.

I'll try to take some pics tonight since I have to water all the plants anyway.

clone pics please!!!

And a screen (my friend uses double sided tape) to keep the cats away from digging in her dirt gardens. apparently then don't like the feel of the stickiness of the tape and stay away.

I found that my cats will simply eat my plants......even in hydro so watch for that.

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And a screen (my friend uses double sided tape) to keep the cats away from digging in her dirt gardens. apparently then don't like the feel of the stickiness of the tape and stay away.

I found that my cats will simply eat my plants......even in hydro so watch for that.

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It's just my g/f's cat. He's still a kitten; cute as hell.. dumb as a door knob and a trouble maker. The room is off limits so I don't have to worry about him getting in there, but I brought my mother plant into my study to take some cuttings and when I was done I left to take the cuttings upstairs to sit somewhere while they root.

Well I came back down to grab the mother plant and I found coco and perlite all over the floor. Little jerk threw dirt everywhere and took off. Didn't pee in it or anything. Guy just likes to play in dirt. He did it with my bag of canna coco also when he got into my supply cabinet once. I lost a gallon of Canna Coco.. that pissed me off. RAWR!!! Children!!!

And I'll take some clone pics just for you. They are in the hydro setup right now and still relatively small, but I'm so proud of my accomplishment. LOL.

I need to wash more hydrotron tomorrow since I have 2 more clones that need to go into the system.