LED growing- An instructional grow log

okie dokie...update.... pic 3 is the mutant plant that keeps sprouting 3 leaves at each node instead of 2. the first two pics are our test plant thats been in most of the pics... this thing is only 9 in tall? its putting all its energy it seems into side branches and lateral growth...you guys think i should go bush with them? opie, WH? help...lol Im supposed to flower in 12 days...think Im being paranoid? 13 days...maybe 15 in tall then? but with 4-5 branches already...I topped 2 of them, to see what would happen....we shall see...:smokebong: other than the growth pattern, they look healthy as hell to me...they stink already too...mmmm love the jack herer...raised the lights yesterday, so maybe we will get more vert growth....bong

whiskeytango

thanks dodo:jointsmile:

im gonna follow this thread....nice idea, props for experimentation, the plants look beautiful

had to rip 3out today...(sniff)...lookin sicky, had a wierd coloring going on...light fuzzy green...bacteria my guess, so i got em out and flushed the others so it didnt spread....Ima go smoke in sorrow......
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whiskeytango

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had to rip 3out today

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damn that sucks. how many were there?

23....now we are down to 20, in 15 pots.....got some doubled up, when i sex them, i would rather cut one out of a pot, than lose a whole pot....should be ready to flower in 10 days-ish. what do you guys think is causing the low vert growth, but mad side growth? having a temp problem for nite time, its about 77 daytime and 70-72 nighttime...having trouble getting night colder, there has been a cold front here in FL, and the A/C aint kickin on.....
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whiskeytango

SnSsteath, Plant''s look great!! Good and tight node's, What is that one, 6 or 7 in 2"? How many SQ.FT are you getting coverage for 1 light? Look's Great , I feel your project is running weel! and are headed for great result's. Later

i can't wait for you to start flowering! :dance:!

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Hatch, I guess I was looking for something like this. It's based on the several days I've spent on and off, trying to figure this out. I've read charts, graphs, forums, articles, and results of experiments, until my brain started oozing out my eyeballs. As far as I know, there's unfortunately nowhere that comes right out and says, "these are the required wavelengths and percentages thereof for an optimum LED weed grow array". It's not for a lack of looking though.

UV: 275,290,310 5%
Blue: 412,440,470 20%
Green: 499 5%
Yellow: 566 2%
Amber: 613 3%
Red: 645,660 60%
Far Red: 730 5%

Until I can figure out something better, those are my dream wavelengths. Would anyone else like to share with the class?

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Yes Opie, I'm right there with you on the Wave's, Even some-point's not that big of % but are needed for good health.

Those are the exact wavelength's I'm tring to work with, and blend the correspondent voltage. Great Work, Great Chart!

(Did you get my e-mail I sent-you?). Later

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

23....now we are down to 20, in 15 pots.....got some doubled up, when i sex them, i would rather cut one out of a pot, than lose a whole pot....should be ready to flower in 10 days-ish. what do you guys think is causing the low vert growth, but mad side growth? having a temp problem for nite time, its about 77 daytime and 70-72 nighttime...having trouble getting night colder, there has been a cold front here in FL, and the A/C aint kickin on.....
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whiskeytango

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I Like The Good side growth, I need to set my plinom baffle, I looked in one of my chamber's and it is getting down to 63-65, and some are stretching? daytime 78-83.

I wonder if the nown vert. growth, from lack of High Intinsity flood? And in your colour more mellow soak array? Witch I think is a good thing not bad. AnyWay Thumb's up looking good!!. Later

are the LED lights expensive? how hard are they to work with?

k, stealth, i've got a few simple questions that i know you got the answers to

1)in your opinions and experiences, what's the smallest space could the procyon fit into without overheating
the enclosure
2)how much did indooragriculture charge you for shipping
3)how fast was shipping and the quality of the delivery package

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Originally Posted by maspino1

k, stealth, i've got a few simple questions that i know you got the answers to

1)in your opinions and experiences, what's the smallest space could the procyon fit into without overheating
the enclosure
2)how much did indooragriculture charge you for shipping
3)how fast was shipping and the quality of the delivery package

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the 2 easy ones first
2) $22 flat rate ground fedex, had other faster options but due to sending 3 were hundreds$$
3) I talked to the guy at IA (i know obsess much...lol) he got em in on thur. shipped fri. arrived wed. high quality package in plastic bag w/ foam peanuts in box. I think the most danger they were in was my nervous hand w/ the knife opening the box:D

and 1) i'd say at least 2'x2'w/ good upward venting. the fan on top runs about 15-20 cfm off the top and cools it ok. you can put your hand flat on the glass after long run times and its just warm. just have enough height for 16" plus above plants as any closer seems to slow growth. a good constant flow of 2° cooler than the wanted temp. seems to work for us as long as the a/c kicks in on a regular basis

dank they hang easily as they're weighted well w/ two hook points in the middle. ohh.. and.. ahh they're ...$600

Don't have a lot of answers for you. Little confused about the ones that got mold or bacteria, or whatever. I thought everything was fine and healthy. Why would some get it and some not? Why did you trash them instead of spraying a little antifungal on them, then fixing the circumstances that caused it (ie. lack of air circulation near that area?)?

About the lack of stretching, plants stretch when they are shaded or tricked into believing they are shaded. I have no idea what's happening, but who knows what hell breaks loose when mad scientists break new ground and play God. Normally plants want the whole spectrum, since all colors interact and regulate. But couldn't the lack of stretching just be because you are growing indica types? Jack Herer = Indica??? Hybrid? I kind of like the fact that mine are short and bushy instead of tall and lanky. Isn't it easier to work with them that way?

umm... ok, i thought i had read your entire log twice at least
did you already mention that too close and it slows growth??
because maybe that's why my puny plant isn't growing any bigger because the furthest
the lights are from it right now since germination is like 4-5 inches...
what's your input stealth?

Well I'm not stealth, but I do know that the closer you put your lights to the plants, the faster they will grow. When the light is farther away, you will see more stretch, which you may misinterpret as more growth.

Sorry I forgot the word "vertical" in that sentence. they had alot of underbrush and sidebranching which is what we wanted, then when we raised the lights 6" two days ago they they started growing vertically again. Opie was right, just gotta find the sweet spot too match your strains wants and needs.

I'm not so much worried about intensity w/ your panels as I am that being so close the lights cant blend together and you get spots of light. seemed like when i put my hand too close it got "spoty".

Ill let whiskey answer your other ? opie

Doughboy:smokin:

see if i can answer some stuff...first opie, i threw them out because they were 3 1/2 in as opposed to 7 1/2 on the rest. they only had 4 sets of leaves, as opposed to 7. they kinda just pissed me off, looked differant, so i killed em....kinda like the 60s?...lol....j/k no one get mad....anyway
yes opie, i love the fact im getting all bush growth, but JH is mostly sativa...bubbleberry is mostly indica, so maybe its leaning towards that side...alll the rest of the plants are uniform....started the CO2 today because of the temp issue...needs to get hot here again!!!!

maspino, i dont mean to be rude, but i think your isnt growing because your using those china panels. they dont have the right frequencies, and, the colors dont blend really...they stay spotty due to weak bulbs and no reflection. the glass under the LEDs in the procyon sends the light out at angles...some are turned slightly too... the procyon can get CLOSE...i was only 9 in away when i was making them branch out...went back out to 18 in to start vert growth again.....opie is right, the closer the better growth...side growth went nuts...but vert growth will stop, aat least with these lights. and what the hell is a plinom baffle? other than that, good luck man, need more LED growers!!!

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whiskeytango

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

you get spots

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What if I make all the colors random (well not random but evenly mixed). Do you think that will solve the problem with? Or do you have to have a diffuser? I think if just mixing them will do the job then its better than a diffuser because the diffuser reduces effeciency (amount of light getting to the plant), however it does lend the colors perfectly so all the plants would get equal ratios of light.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Green light is what penetrates the canopy. Without it only unshaded leaves and buds will be getting much,

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The green light penetrates the canopy because the plant reflects the green light. But what if the plant was surrounded in the LED's....like a tower of LED's between plants so the plant gets even more light...do we still need green then? Also Opie did you ever post that link to the website with all sorts of plant light info?

If you dont mind me asking really, what part of florida are you from? I also live in the sunshine state pretty far north.

Cant wait for pics!

doDo:jointsmile:

tallahassee. cold here now...like 30 deg this morning

haha could tell you were a seminole. my girlfriend goes there.

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Originally Posted by physicsnole

What if I make all the colors random (well not random but evenly mixed). Do you think that will solve the problem with? Or do you have to have a diffuser? I think if just mixing them will do the job then its better than a diffuser because the diffuser reduces effeciency (amount of light getting to the plant), however it does lend the colors perfectly so all the plants would get equal ratios of light.

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I dont think you need a diffuser. what i was referring to is being 3-4" away from maspino1's panels in which each led is about 1/2" or more apart. once you get about a foot away everything blends, up till then its just spots next to each other w/ the 5mm leds.

holy sheet bro. I just saw UR plants and I must say they look better than great.

now where can I get these kinds of lights?
and how old R they.

damm do they look.
I wanna find a bunch of lled lights to use with my hydro system.

well keep up the great work. any new pix?

you can get the procyon-100 at Procyon 100 [Procyon 100] - $600.00 : Buy LED Grow Lights, Procyon 100
and according to stealth they seem to have good customer service and prompt delivery

plinom baffle- It's in the a/c ducting. It control's the air-flow to each vent. Later

FL..Lil further south...bout as far as i can say in here...lol:thumbsup:
ah..thanks hatch:jointsmile:
and yeah, wish i was gettin some kickback here, lol, but HGL were very prompt and were happy to answer technical questions. i bugged the hell out of ryan, but he was cool with it. :cool:
(im so high right now) and hydro, the plants are around 3 weeks old...to high to remember, not in the other room, not hettin up...lol tell ya tomorrow...fuck it, be back in half hour with pics and date...full update.....
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whiskeytango

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

,,,,,, not gettin up...lol tell ya tomorrow...fuck it, be back in half hour with pics and date...full update.....
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whiskeytango

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hmmm, sounds like u didnt get up afterall:wtf::D;)

Dang man ur gonna have tight nodes and compact buds when they finished out:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

what the hell is a plinom baffle?

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Don't you remember? It was in the plinom baffles of 4045 that we won our plinom and indefflendence.

haha what is plinom and indefflendence??

question for stealth crew:
in your first 2 weeks of growing did you notice your plants seemed to stall and then all
of a sudden it just picked up on growth immediately? as if they were just building their
root system and then they just rev the growth engines and get going?

alas rock...i am but a stoner...lol, heres the updates i promised last night...first 2 are the test lady, 3rd is the mutant still puttin out 3 leaves a node...and last 2 are just shots of the ladies in thier lovely purple room...heh
maspino...yeah, from what i have seen in this growth and my previous ones...the plants shoot up fast...then stall after first set of true leaves, i would assume setting the roots and what not..they really take off after you get your first or second 5 leaves....IMHO not facts i guess....
uh....marijuana is good...mmmmk?
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whiskeytango

hot dam they look great. :D
so how hot do these lights get?

damn, your plants look fabulous!

thanks mas...and hydro, after they are on for 18 hours, its still just a lil warm to touch the glass....they dont put out much heat at alll....
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whiskeytango

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Originally Posted by physicsnole

But what if the plant was surrounded in the LED's....like a tower of LED's between plants so the plant gets even more light...do we still need green then? Also Opie did you ever post that link to the website with all sorts of plant light info?

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I think if you surround the plant that is best and it will get the most light that way, but IMO it's still going to want a full spectrum.

I just looked back through my bookmarks, and I'm not finding much for you. Looks like many that I saved, I saved the home page instead of the page with the info. Too stoned to look more. I might do better for you when I get on the laptop.

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Originally Posted by maspino1

haha what is plinom and indefflendence??

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It's like whatever your imagination can make of it. For me, it means freedom and independence.

I gotta tell ya SnS, I'm pleasantly surprised so far. I hope we can do as good in flower.

If this has been prev. posted i appologize, but are you using any nutes with your plants? They are looking very happy and healthy stealth nice work.

dodo:rastasmoke:

as are we opie:jointsmile: thanks for the good words...
yeah dodo...we are using the fox farm line of nutes and their ocean forrest soil
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whiskeytango

dude awsome i wish i had money to grow :(