thanks i will remember that (Im a noob to growing):D
Printable View
thanks i will remember that (Im a noob to growing):D
So the place where I buy my seeds usually gives out five free unsexed seeds with each order. With my Brainstorm order they sent me these. What do you guys think?
Shoot...can't get the link to work. i'll keep trying.....:wtf:
nope, cant seem to get one that works. Well the seeds are supposed to be an "updated" thai stick. Wish I could work out the link. :(
I CANT believe it. One of the 20+ clones I've tried is actually starting to grow roots!! :jumphappy::woohoo::jawdropper:
It's a Dutch Dragon cutting and so far the only success I've had,
Most of my clones either wilt to death or develop mold and/or squishiness in the stem where Ive fucked with it. She's the one on the right in the front row...the one next to her is another DD. In the back there are two WW's and one power plant clone in the midde. The pp seems ok but developed mushy brownness in the lower stem which I cut off to a higher point. Will this work at all or am I screwed?
WHY are these new clones I'm putting in wiling? Is it because they are too dry or too wet? I honestly can't figure out which it is.
Opie, Stinky, MVP, or any ordinary joe out there.....any tips appreciated to improve my 1/20 ratio??
What I've been doing is taking them from the flowering plants (these are the only plants I have to practice clones with I'm afraid), dipping in anti-stress, cutting leaves to one inch, scarifying, clonex gel, clonex liquid in bubbler. These days they are wilting by the next day pretty uniformly these days. My older clones were on a 15/45 schedule and didn't wilt but alot of the practice 20 just got too wet and soggy so right now I'm on 15/75. The older plants seem to do ok with that.....but any new cuttings I place in there seem fine at first but wilt by the next morning.
PLEASE help stop the killing......:(
WH, I have switched back to Olivia's cloning solution -- it worked better 15 years ago than much of what I have tried lately. Congrats on the roots, but the Canna Crispie's are starting to kick in so I won't be making too much sense for a few hours. I'll re-read and post tomorrow hopefully...
Yeah, Opie was talking about some sort of powder vs gel......is there a Olivias powder?
I'll wait.......:D
hey WH..alot could have to do with the fact the clones are coming off of flowering plants. you are trying to make them root, and revert...Ive never had a problem with clonex..usually had id say a decent % root...IMO:stoned:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango
I would like to recommend not taking cuttings during flowering. Success is much more elusive that way. That aside, try a powdered rooting hormone. I've found that the gels completely seal off the root from moisture for about 2 days. I had the same problem when I experimented with gels, and have never had the problem with powders. You can use a gel, but it's more work and not as safe. With a gel you must be very diligent with your humidity dome. Not too wet, not too dry. For the first 2 or 3 days the only way a cutting can get moisture with a gel, is to get it through the leaves. I don't know if an anti wilt would help, or keep the leaves from transpiring completely and end up killing the cutting. Never used one. Also, IMO you are cutting off way too much foliage from your cuttings. You only need to trim the leaves down if they are big. The cutting needs leaves for food after a few days in the cloner. Notice they get yellow? If there is not enough leaves, and they all get yellow, she's a goner. I don't even cut my leaves down at all. Well, I guess I do occasionally, but only if I take a larger than normal (for me) cutting. Good luck.
Opie if my DD clone makes it I'm going to put her in soil and if she STILL makes it (:D) I'll make her a mom for some practice clones. I will cut less on the leaves as you suggest as well but I had a couple that I actually FORGOT to cut the leaves on and they wilted even faster than the cut ones.
I am dipping them in Anti-Stress which I think helps but you've got me thinking about perhaps them just plain being too wet.....Anyone tried Wilt-Pruf or anything and then leave the humidity dome off?
I'll keep trying....I really do want to try some clones from vegging mommas instead of my flowering plants. :(
Hey guys check out the link for my new grow log in my sig (Operation Redwood Tree). I'm going to be growing a Power Plant and Brainstorm in some big buckets and try and go for a new personal best yield. I also have a Master Kush and Nexus baby I'm going to include in that log but I don't expect them to be very exciting. I'm actually going to veg them for a shorter length of time (4 weeks) to (hopefully) avoid root problems down the road.
Ps.....I'll grab some cloning powder and stop using the gel too. ;)
Stealth what would you say your percentage of surviving clones is generally?
70-80% i would say....modestly...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango
Well that certainly beats me at .05%.......modestly. :D
You guys, I don't get it. It is extremely rare that I loose a clone, either planted in dirt or in my cheapo aerocloner. Maybe your problems are gel-related. I've never understood how people have much success with cloning gels. How do you expect your cuttings to survive when you seal off the stem from moisture? And WH, more foliage = more wilt? WTF? Does that even make sense somehow?
I'm up to 100% clone survival these days, hacking MOST of the fan leaf mass off and using dip-n-grow that has FUNGICIDE in it... you try that stuff yet?
Anti-stress dip- is it a SuperThrive type product with Thiamine in it? Can you give some basic info on your conditions?
-Dome or no dome
-Wilt-Pruf or no wilt-pruf
-Misting cuttings directly or misting the dome or not misting at all
-Room temp
-Lighting type and distance
-Water temp in bubbler
-Contents of bubbler solution
-Type and age of hormone, and how often you replace it, how you store it, and have you ever dipped right into the jar?
Yes I think it does because I am getting them too WET and the water is dragging them down....may not be wilt....might just be soggy plant you know?
Mr Hound is picking up some powder today so I'll toss the gel in the trash. ;)
Mr ONE good clone is still kicking and getting some good roots going. :thumbsup:
Stinkster.....thanks for stopping by. :)
I have ONE decent clone and I can't figure out if I'm getting things too wet or too dry. Opie is making me think I am too wet..
So far what I have done is take some flowering cuttings (I know....but I only have flowering plants right now to take practice ones on) scarifying (sp?) stem, cutting leaves to one inch (I forgot that several times..) dipping in Anti-Stress (i'll dig up the link.....my hydro guy raves about this stuff.....it smells like paint or something) clonex gel to stem, and into bubbler with RO water and clonex liquid (amount of directions on bottle) and them watching them wilt into sogginess.
I clean everything with isopropyl alcohol first....pour clonex gel on clean plate (no dipping in container) scarify with scalpel (cleaned). Let me go back and read your thread again in case you asked about info I didn't include.
I change the bubbler solution every few days....
Clonex gel is prob year old....Mr H is buying new today. Clonex liquid no more than a month old or so.
I've tried cuttings from 10 days in flowering to five weeks in flowering with strains that are supposed to "clone well" So far the only cutting I have that is doing well is a Dutch Dragon cutting....taken about 10 days ago on a five week flowering DD plant.
I'm doing both Anti-Stress and a humidity dome.....could that be way too much moisture? I didn't think about this until Opie mentioned it.
Antistress Plant Protection Membranes - Explanation and Overview Here's the wilt-proof I'm using....highly recommended by my hydro guy.
PS...Opie...that's EXACTLY how I feel about you and the capsules....wtf?
Oh....and for the dome....it seems to stay pretty misted just from the bubbler action....there's ALWAYs some condensation on it. I don't spray or mist....the bubbler does it.
Stinkster.....Dip and Grow? Is that the name....Mr Hound is making a hydro shop run.....
So some water from INSIDE the rooting chamber is getting to the dome? Splashing on the leaves too? Could be leaching nutrients off your cuttings accidentally.
The stress stuff sounds like wiltpruf equivalent. Paint smell and all. Good. Let it dry before putting the dome on. You can use both wiltpruf and a dome- I do it and it's fine.
Clonex goes bad in about 4 months in my experience, keeping it in the fridge even.
Dip-n-grow is the brand and I like that it is SUCKED INTO the cutting and will not wash off in a bubbler environment. Plus it never seems to go bad. I 'borrowed' a bottle from a friend who no longer grows. He claims to have had the bottle for several years already. I finally used up the last of it a couple weeks ago... good to the last drop, baby! :D
Oh WH you really really should try the method detailed in the Donkey Dick log.... it is SO EASY...
I never SEE anything on the leaves but now am thinking that a lot of the wilting is soggines. What EXACTLY does make the cuttings wilt? Too dry or too wet?
I read your DD cloning. One of my issues is my plants stay so damn short during veg....it seems if I cut something I get an inch of stem or something to start with. I have some RR's I can try it with but again.....only flowering plants to take cuttingss from right now.
Most of my stems go brown and mushy after a few days....fyi.....
well stinky adressed it all i guess...lol, i dont keep clonex, i get a new bottle every time i do cuttings, maybe twice at the most. dont know opie...maybe thats why i do good with the gel?...havent tried a powder yet, clonex was always fine for me...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango
Yes, great point about the Clonex......it never occurred to me at all. I believe its close to a year and a half old.....
When a plant wilts, it is because water loss through transpiration is more rapid than water uptake through roots or even stomata.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
So the simple answer is: Too dry.
But that does not address other reasons that the plant cannot uptake water. Simply saying 'too dry' only assumes the LOSS part is to blame, but the GAIN part is equally important. Blocked stomata are a double-edged sword... you can slow loss, but you also prevent gain. Rot in the stem, or crushed vascular tissue from a dull blade or scissors, also prevent water gain.
Cut more nodes then. You can take a dozen nodes, and strip half of them, on a plant that throws 1cm internodes!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Your clonex has gone bad and you have rot. You need a fungicide, and you need to STERILIZE your bubbler before using it again, or use those awesome RR plugs that are inoculated at the factory with BENEFICIAL bacteria- I believe it's B. subtilis, like in Serenade. It might be thurengensis though, I'm not certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
I went through all this myself, tried all the methods- bubbler, EZCLone, perlite, peat pucks, rockwool, wick cloner, dipping in wiltpruf, spraying with everything imaginable, you name it- right down to the spoiled clonex, before listening to Rhizome and getting back to basics.
Rhizome who? :D
That's funny.
I went through it all too. You have too much moisture in your dome and you are not letting your cuttings suck up moisture when you use a gel. You should be using a dome as little as possible for several reasons. It helps them harden to not have a dome. A dome increases chance of rot and mold and squishy stems. Then if you spray an antifungal in there, you are putting in more moisture. I suggested actual neoprene clone holders that have a slit in them to hold the clone. That would stop your solution from splashing up into your dome area.
Ok.....Think I have it down.....Mr Hound got the Dip n Grow but forgot the powder so I'm going with that for now. The bubbler is being disinfected with 35% H202 as we speak. And speaking of....anyone used a touch of H202 in the bubbler along with the clonex solution?
The gel went into the trash. The one "clone-ish" thing I had went into some dirt (well...actually Fox Farm soil with extra perlite (Rock....:wtf:) under some room light and if she does ok then great. I have some RR's so I'm going to try that route. I'm also going to spray the Anti Stress just on the top of the leaves vs dipping the cutting into them to see if that helps since both Stinky and Opie mentioned the stomata and I forgot about them buggers...:D
Wish me (and them :D) luck......
Good Luck, Weedhound!
I'm reading carefully as I'm not so adept at taking cuttings but I plan on doing some more trials in a few weeks.
Shov
clones are hella easy bro :rastasmoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shovelhandle
Thanks Shov and Hennessey! I'll have a pic in a few...am running out of cuttings to play with but managed to get two. I'll get a photo. ;)
Dutch Dragon cutting in Fox Farm soil....(enough perlite Rock? ;))
2 White Berry cuttings (taken at 13 days into flower) placed in dip n grow, scarified, RE-DIPPED in dip n grow, leaves clipped to one inch, sprayed with anti-stress (top of leaves only) placed in rapid rooters with new holes cut in the bottom and placed in dome (misted). One q.....am I supposed to water the rapid rooters or is there anything I missed or should know?
Thanks :stoned:
Ya wanna pretty much keep the RRs @ the moisture level they were in the bag.
Put one aside and watch how it dries up- kinda hard to describe. If they get too dry, they're suddenly hydrophobic, but till then they take water really nicely. Watch out for too wet- well before saturation.
All depends on conditions, around the RR as well as the plant. Heating pad will accellerate drying, high humidity around RR will delay- yer gonna have to f%^k with it.
Ya might want to try taking a bunch of cuttings of your house plants, just too practice. It's all pretty much the same, and they make great gifts.
House plants....that's funny.....with my creatures you pretty much have to beat them off anything that may have once been edible with a stick. I've just discovered that the only reason they don't touch the hydro seedlings is because......well....it's hydro.....;)
Rhiz make sure you check out my Redwood Tree log when you get a chance. Beans are in setup....pics manana. :)
Thanks for RR info....;)
Hey Stinky, thanks for the tip on wilting...cause/effect. My new clones started to wilt a bit last night and I was able to to pin it to the light being too close.....before I just would have misted them more and wondered what the problem was....thanks. :)
They look good so far this am! :thumbsup:
The mutt and jeff combo are White Berry and White Widow.....in that order....at 15 days flowering (or close to.....).
Dutch Dragon, Day 43 Flower. I had been wondering if this plant had been slowing down with the flowering but I just read on the breeders website that she's a 9-10 week finisher, a "massive" yielder (which I don't think she will be here due to "root constraints") and is 75% sativa. Considering that 10 weeks really isn't bad and with that in mind I don't think she's having any issues with slowing down (knock on wood....) ;)
She's just starting to "fill in" her buds but has some very nice frost going already.....and has had some for awhile now. :)
Well I must say that so far cloning in the rapid rooters beats the bubbler thing hands down....thanks you guys. :thumbsup:
The clones have stayed perky this time instead of wilting, less fungus worries because everything isn't so wet, no checking and adjusting the ph several times a day. So far I have two whiteberry clones and they both still look quite happy. Amazing!! :)
awesome...glad the cloning went good...still using gel, or did you try the powder opie was talking ab out?
whisekytango
I don't understand how people can get this attitude. WH, I'm very happy you found a cloning technique that works for you, but I'd like to see you not give up on your bubble cloner. I've stuck clones in soil and I've stuck em in the cloner. Both are extremely easy, and both produce 99.9% success for me. The bubble cloner by far (at least for me) produces a much better root mass and overall I believe it produces a better plant. I've found that if a plant starts with a suckie root mass, it stays kinda suckie overall, and visa versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
You don't have to check your PH several times each day. I never check mine, but I start at about 5.3, and within a few days it's at 6.2. No biggie. The plants don't seem to mind at all. I'm pretty sure the reservoir could fluctuate at least one full point without any problem. Your supposed to change the res every other day or so, but I don't. I change maybe once or twice during rooting.
You have a problem with too much moisture in your dome, but that is not a problem. You don't even need to seal off your holes completely. I have moisture from the reservoir splashing into my dome as well, and it doesn't seem to be a problem except for adding moisture. It merely seems to foliar feed the bottom of the lowest level of leaves. (I haven't yet installed the neoprene inserts I told you about.) If you have too much moisture in your dome, simply prop up one corner of it with a pencil or sex toy. It's better by far if they can if they can have some air flow anyway. Just like with the capsules, you have to experiment a little to find out what works best for your cloner, but once you do it is way worth it.
Sigh, just my 2 cents. I hate to see people devolving, and it seems like if you start with hydro and move to soil you are going backward in your weed farming operation. Hydro = bigger, better, faster, more. Oh well, each to his/her own. I believe you have an extremely green thumb, and I'm sure you'll get lots wonderful weed no matter what you do.
Good luck.
Yes I know what you mean...and I won't give up on my cloner but I want to find something consistent that I can return to instead of the 1/20 ratio I'd been having. (I'm running out of clones......:D) I definitely will expirement more once I get the rr thing down......but with summer coming and the fact that I am going to do an outdoor grow (with my unsexed seeds) I want to have a consistent way to clone that Im comfortable with so I'm ready.
Soil.....sigh......I guess I just feel so....incomplete when it comes to soil growing.....sigh. :( I'm not giving up my hydro Op.....but I have to say that yes, soil IS moving backwards in a way. But Damnit... I want to grow something in soil. Something that actually LIVES!! :D
I just read your entire thread but skimmed a few parts so I might of missed it but what kind of lighting do you use? Could I see a pic of your flowering room? Funny that your cat ate your plant and sorry about the PP. Sounds to me like you kinda wanted it to go though. Anyhow, just curious.
PDX