The Psychoactive Forum is Closing !!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by BobBong

well, we can't stop anyone from saying anything.. if someone wishes to be racist or trying to sell illegal stuff, then they'll do just that.. but they'll also not be welcome to the site either, and they'll be told that. If you can't accept the changes as they're presented.. then perhaps a different forum would be for you?

p.s. i'm generalizing, not talking to anyone specificly.

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If somebody is being racist, they should be banned... if someone is selling illegal stuff on the board, then that's definately a no-no. i'm just saying that instead of closing the forum you could put a disclaimer illustrating the point; something along the lines of "we don't condone the use of such substances, however we aren't one to limit the free speech of other people." you know what i mean? i understand the point, that you don't want cannabis to be associated with hard drugs because you would like it to seem more 'main-stream'. but maybe there is another way to go about this , other than completely closing the psychoactive forum? i think there is good educational advice in this forum.. when i think about it this way, i wouldn't mind answering a kid's question regarding the LD-50 for heroin; he might have taken too much of the drug had he not first consulted with people who have more knowledge. Again i see your point, but this is something to take into consideration. maybe the psychoactive forum should remain, but "for informational purposes only". just a thought?

i'm only recommending this because closing that forum probably isn't going to stop people from talking about how much blow they're doing or how to cook meth or anything like that.

Like you are saying, there are mentalities out there that are going to get high on one thing, think its great, then go see what kind of highs they get off of other things. Its another ugly head of the irresponsibility monster. Simply wanting to get high, with no regard for the fact that you can hurt yourself to the point of a slow death in a hospital bed.

Calling pot a gateway drug is a cop out and an attempt o evade the fact that people want more of something when they experience it and think positively of it. The same phenomenemanomnjon occurs with food. It happens with everything known to man. For some reason, calling this phenomenon "gateway" and puting it in front of "drug" causes an uproar and backlash against Marijuana amongst people easily impressed by a clever application of buzz words or terminologies.

"Wow! Beef and chicken are good! What does pork taste like," "Wow, coca cola is good, what does RC taste like?"

The gateway drug hip hop is a bunch of shit, so to say. Everything is a gateway to something else. Some genius decided to say pot can lead to a curiosity and execution of obtaining highs from other substances. Sherlock Holmes, look the fuck out. That philosophy works with just about everything from food to clothes to sex.

However, if one is to put something in one's body without research or regard to its detrimental effects, one is careless. Moreover, one will not benefit from another telling them how awesome a detrimental drug feels, while failing to tell one about the possible harm assosciated with that drug. I do not believe that cannabis.com should be a source of information or advocacy regarding DXM, herion, cocaine, or whatever else you can come up with, for that reason alone. As much as moderation or regular john would try to prevent it, someone is going to tell someone else that coke is fun or heroin makes you happy before you can get there to teach them the dangers associated with those things.

On the same token, its altogether possible they will go somewhere else and some dummy is going to tell them that whatever deadly chemical they are onto feels great and they should go for it. But, why should that place be cannabis.com?

exactly; there are only gateway behaviors, NOT GATEWAY DRUGS. if you are looking to get fucked up off of whatever and you don't care what it is that you're putting into your body, you are 1) stupid and 2) more likely to not just smoke pot, but to move on to other drugs. it's the "gateway" BEHAVIOR/MINDSET. smoking marijuana might cause one to become curious about other substances; however this depends on the individual. if you are looking to experiment with drugs then you are more likely to try hard drugs. honestly i've done hard drugs and would prefer pot over anything. so that's the idea; if you are looking to get messed up off of whatever, that's one thing. but if you looking for a marijuana high, you will stick with marijuana and not dabble in other drugs..

well said guys, thanks for giving your input on this matter.

I couldn't have said many of the points that were covered better.

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Originally Posted by BobBong

Nice guys.. real nice..

You realize that calling the owners "stalin" is pretty much the same thing as calling them "nazi" or "hitler".

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It's absolutely nothing like calling them nazis or hitler. Know your history bob. Some of the fiercest fighting of WWII was between the nazis and the soviets.

There are vast cultural and idealogical differences. however, it's true that they're both totalitarian governments. Come to think of it, the parallel you've made make more and more sense...

No chance of discussion huh? You are but a cogwheel in the vast machine of cannabis.com, eh bob?

Sexuality, get rid of it... Politics... get rid of it. Recreational and the Lounge should be merged since they pretty much have the same idea in mind. Drug Testing get be lumped up with those two forums as well. Spirituality... that's should be removed... and oh yeah... might as well merge Activism with the rest too... and so such Legal as it's the same idea as Activism, right? The Health forum... what should that be merged with? Sexuality? Or Drug Testing?

This removal makes no sense at all.

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Originally Posted by BobBong

Sounds like YOU are saying this...
I'm saying quite the opposite actually...pot should NOT be seen as a gateway drug.. as it really isn't.

People that start smoking pot, often get curious with other drugs.. but this is not always the case.. There are many uses for cannabis that do not lead to harder mind altering drugs. By having the psychotropics forum, anyone that believes this misconception will validate it by seeing that a cannabis site has an entire section dedicated to "other pyschotropics"..

So really, by having this forum it only helps people argue that cannabis is in fact a gateway drug.

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No, like he just said... but was chosen to be twisted around... what you're saying is that the new owners don't want to make it appearent that Cannabis is a gateway drug.

Fucked up logic... and you and "sundance" will lnever be convinced otherwise... cause you're both very "mainstream" people.

I've seen some amazingly ignorant threads concerning dxm use. I'll admit to that. But I think its a rather stark decision to say that psychotropics break down into mj, and all things not-mj. And that one of these is bad and the other good.
Two test cases for you to consider. Shrooms and Salvia. Hell, salvia is even smoked.
Where do we draw the line on acceptable drug use in the vast scale that moves from mj through black tar heroin?

I always conceived of overturning drug prohibition by changing the attitude about drugs, not their legal status. It will be all well and good when cannabis is legal, but there's a problem in society as long as it says some drugs are illegal, and therefore bad, while other drugs are legal, and commercialized, so open your mouth and fucking swallow.

Is selling out in order to make cannabis more acceptable really the best solution?

I've done the research and am obviously biased towards my own findings, but I just doubt that that many people opposed to mj are researching the internet throughly in order to learn about it.
As for concerned parents, maybe they have a right to be concerned. Kids don't always understand everything, for all that they might emulate adult behavior. still, I think there's less harm in the threads that discuss other drugs than in the one's where some ignorant jerkoff will brag about getting ripped and beating the shit out of someone.

I could find 10 threads with my eyes closed whose content would make me worry more about the impressionable youth than the use of the word "heroin" throughout the boards.

Maybe the moderators could actually, I don't know, moderate(?), so that instead of only representing the spectrum of users of a single drug (cannabis), we could instead represent the responsible users of a whole spectrum of drugs.

before the psychoactive forum gets shut down & i go to sleep, i must proudly proclaim 'I'm pretty wasted on this "Kummel" liqueur i bought several weeks ago & it feels FUKKIN GREEEIIT!'
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I agree with the sentiment of they way some things are being worded, that it seems as if someone is trying to play a game and remove any material that could make cannabis look like it leads to those other drugs and chemicals.

Myself? I don't buy gateway theory. However, even if all material making it look like it is easy to link marijuana to coke or whatever from here is abolished, the notion of marijuana being a gateway drug is not going to go away, just because you can't read about opium on canabis.com. Any intelligent person knows this.

In my opinion, the problem with drugs is that they ARE usually thrown in the same boat as eachother. Take the recent alaska meth/pot bill. One horrendous substance was clumped together with a virtually harmless substance, like they both belonged in the same group. Some drugs, in my opinion, are illeagal for very, very good reasons, and should remain illeagal. Be it they ruin lives out of addiction or they simply ruin them out of death. I genuinely believe people should suffer interdiction if they get onto a poison disguised by a high. Its for their own good, if they were foolish enough to get into it o begin witrh.

Personally, I find myself the opposite of your thinking. I believe that, in order for Cannabis to ever seriously be decriminalized, people are going to have to realize that smoking a bowl doesn't have the same effect as shoving a needle in your arm or chugging a bottle of vicodin.

It would be great if the attitude of all drugs changed and true human choice was allowed and permited, when it comes to them. It would be great if that happened with everything. Unfortunately, it is the common notion to clump everything together in a group, and give that group a label. Maybe, we'll see a day where things are actually seperated into piles that they belong in. Things like pot and mushrooms, things you can actually mentally and physicall benefit from with responsible consumption. Maybe they won't always be the same as a needle in the arm to a politician. However, I think trying to get the veiwpoint to shift towards one being the other or all of it being the same, whether its prescription or illeagal, is a step back 20 years, when it comes to Cannabis.