Bush calls for gay marriage ban
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Originally Posted by jamstigator
One interesting thing about Christianity, as an aside: there are very, very, very few actual Christians. The vast majority of those who say they are Christian aren't, except in terms of giving lip service to the teachings of Jesus. Christians are those who believe, AND PRACTICE, what Jesus Christ taught, and the main gist of what he taught is absolute pacifism under all circumstances. If you'd vote for a war, any war, for any cause, regardless of how just it might be in your mind, you aren't a Christian. If your mother is being raped, and the only way to prevent it is via some form of violence, and you would do so, you aren't a Christian. If someone was beating you, and intended to kill you, and the only way to prevent your death was to commit violence on the person intending to kill you, and you would do so to save your life, you aren't a Christian. Clearly, there are very few people who believe and practice what Jesus taught. In part, this may because such people often eliminate themselves from the gene pool, by being killed while practicing absolute pacifism. Absolute pacifism is just not a survival trait.
Those who say they are Christian, but who don't actually practice what Christ taught, are nothing more than hypocrites. I admire the concepts of peace and pacifism, and if I ever meet an actual Christian I will tell him or her so. But I will not hold my breath waiting for that to happen; in almost 42 years I have come across a grand total of 0 such people.
Your wrong..Jesus knew that we would sin (not perfect) that is the story behind him hanging on the cross between a murderer and a thief (no little sin or big sin..sin is sin) they both had a choice..you can murder..rape..and truly ask for forgiveness and you are still loved and accepted by your make Practicing faith is a good thing but to expect a Christian to be perfect is just an excuse to not even try...really glad God will be the one to Judge me and not mankind..he knows our heart. God knew we would have war time and peace time..for example David wrote in times of war and sacrifice,Solomon wroye in the days of peace and prosperity. Romans 3:23 syas Humans are sinful-All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. When we practice self-will as I call it and break our relationship with God..it is practicing rebellion and passive indifference..we all do it..but we all have the God given gift of forgiveness also..we just have to ask and do better in the way we live in our short time here. I replied to your post because you seem ignorant to the judgement calls you are making on true Christians and it just is wrong.
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
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Originally Posted by jamstigator
One interesting thing about Christianity, as an aside: there are very, very, very few actual Christians. The vast majority of those who say they are Christian aren't, except in terms of giving lip service to the teachings of Jesus. Christians are those who believe, AND PRACTICE, what Jesus Christ taught, and the main gist of what he taught is absolute pacifism under all circumstances. If you'd vote for a war, any war, for any cause, regardless of how just it might be in your mind, you aren't a Christian. If your mother is being raped, and the only way to prevent it is via some form of violence, and you would do so, you aren't a Christian. If someone was beating you, and intended to kill you, and the only way to prevent your death was to commit violence on the person intending to kill you, and you would do so to save your life, you aren't a Christian. Clearly, there are very few people who believe and practice what Jesus taught. In part, this may because such people often eliminate themselves from the gene pool, by being killed while practicing absolute pacifism. Absolute pacifism is just not a survival trait.
Those who say they are Christian, but who don't actually practice what Christ taught, are nothing more than hypocrites. I admire the concepts of peace and pacifism, and if I ever meet an actual Christian I will tell him or her so. But I will not hold my breath waiting for that to happen; in almost 42 years I have come across a grand total of 0 such people.
I think that there are many definitions of a "Christain" depending on who you ask. Just as there are many definitions of "Muslim", "Buddhist", etc. I haven't opened a Bible in over 20 years but, as far as I can remember, there is nowhere a statement saying "The definition of a Christian is...." If there was, there wouldn't be so many different forms of Christianity today.
I also don't think that all Christians are hypocrites. Calling all of the followers of Christianity hypocrites is insulting to them. I have met many, many good people who are Christians. They only believe what they have been taught over and over throughout their life. I think it would be better to say that nearly all forms of Christianity(if not all religions), as institutions, are hypocritical.
"Go look for consistency in religion. And speaking of my friends the Catholics, when John Cardinal O'Conner came to New York, and some of these other Cardinals and Bishops have experienced their first pregnancies, and their first labor pains, and they've raised a couple of children on minimum wage, then I'll be glad to hear what they have to say about abortion! I'm sure it would be interesting! Enlightening too. But, in the mean time what they ought to be doing is telling these priests who took a vow of chastity to keep their hands off the alter boys. Keep your hands to yourself, Father! Ya know? When Jesus said "suffer the little children come unto me", that's not what he was talking about!! -George Carlin
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
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Originally Posted by Fengzi
Hi Shelbay, I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else who is strongly religious and/or beleives in God. My comment about "bible thumping fucknuts" was merely an expression of how I would feel about someone who commented negatively on my marraige based on their religious beliefs.
You state that "its ironic that believers are shunned and labeled because of our beliefs". It is even more ironic that someone who makes this statement would be so quick to shun and label someone else (gays).
I do agree 100% with your comment of "I am an individual that has certain beliefs and should not be told that my beliefs are bs" . I should not impose my beliefs on you or anyone else. It is not my business to do so. The fact that you point this out, however, makes it all the more ironic that you wish to impose your beliefs on others. Is there really any difference from me allowing you to have your own beliefs and you (collectively speaking)allowing gay marraiges to happen? Your beliefs are none of my business and it is none of yours if some gay couple wants to marry. If you disagree with this, it is you who are the hypocrite, not me.
I am very different from most on here..I am also a woman that believes in sex only for procreation and being married at that..I dislike the promiscuity of all people these days that practice self gratification with no thought of mankind..so no I am not a hypocrite..if I am by definition then I will take the label name and deal with it because I do not support or condone homosexuality..that is ME..I would not make the judgement call of telling any human they are worse than me because of their choice but I would also expect not to be held accountable for their actions by being passive and not speaking out loud my beliefs..that is a sin..passive indifference imo.Yes it is my business when homosexuals want to marry..I am a Christian and I believe it is wrong..not because of mans law but Gods..hope that makes sense..I am in a hurry but thought about this thread and issue since voting on it here in alabama last Tuesday..just weird it is an issue here. I apologize if I seem hypocritical to you but I am me..and I understand your validation on your marriage issue..I have posted this before but you may have missed it..The man I am married to now had never been married before but I had..I divorced..we were then told by 30 different Baptist preachers that we would not be married by them because of my previous marriage! We actually married in another State..anyway..what I am saying is that I do understand how religion can be twisted by man for their own practices..and the pain and confusion when attacked by religion..but I saw your post that about the South and I just thought well damn I am a Southerner that has been denied my religious right but I still get attacked being a part of a whole. I did misunderstand part of your post and took it personal..so thanks for the civil and decent response from you..very much appreciate your time in explaining your comments about the fnuts..so how do people meet on a common ground on this issue? A positive one...I have to go..in shock I actually liked your response..not much one can say to honesty like that...thanks again.
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
Oh God, It just pains me to see what religion has done. I don't know which one to quote and respond to.
I grew up in the church, however I have been in many. The last twenty of which, are concidered Spirit filled by the rest of the genre.
Their are fine believers in all denominations. Jersus prayed "that we would all be one". His final prayer before his death. also, psalm of David spoke prophetically of the sacrafice lamb of God ,"of being all out of joint.
If ya'll don't mind,......religion is a demon.... I am not talking about a true relationship with God. I am talking about "mans" attempt to define and live a "religious life".
I am sadend by the damage that mans views have wrought on the whole of humanity.
Their are fine, fine people in every denomination. and their are religious pricks in all of them....."those who are lead by the spirit, are the sons and daughters of God." An interesting fact: Jesus rebuked Peter and aid "get behind me satan, for you are operating in the thoughts and the intents of man".
The point is, If we are operating other than, the thoughts and intents of the Spirit og God,.........Than we are operating in a demonic mindset.
THIS is where religion is born. This very aspect of man coming up with their, predisposed discriminations,........Then asighning them to God......
Oh, God how Grievous,.....Oh, God... I am so sadened for the projected view of stupid, stupid, religious thought. You all have seen my own show up here..
It also is sadening.
I do find hard since His word is clear that He does not condone this. Since, marriage language uses the bible, since it is addressed at length and mandated by Him, I can see problems with Gays being married in that setting. For civil unions? I question if He desires to make things difficult for them. Our hassels we bring upon ourselves. God loves gays more than the stupid issue.
Fenzi, You made a very good point and I desire say nothing to deminish it.
My personal view is that the Catholics should never have prevented thier own leaders to marry. Jesus healed Peters mother in law. Peter, the apostle that catholics modeled their priest after.
Paul (in the new testi..) said if one desires the oposite sex for not to withold from marriage. These problems manifesting from priest, were not given singleness. For a church leadership home to not procreate???????
Don't get it.
Very, quickly.....
Slavery ~ God saw the plite of the Jews in captivity and released them from it. There are many, many references to freedom, His desire that we all be free.
There were times when He used another nation to enslave them, however, I do not have time to go into what they fell into. If you new what He ment by the people making there children pass thru the fire it would sicken us all.
Civil rights for women ~ kinda falls under slavery dontit. The verses used to argue male domination is very flawed. For one ~ a man in proper position a woman would adore, and follow. the key follow.... not some jerk from behind driveing her along from the rear.
Another confused point, women covering their heads, In Corinthians Paul was instucting them to do so because only the prostitutes didn't cover their heads.
So many misaplications, causing so much confusion.
Race issue? God created man and woman in his image. It requires both to mirror him since both came from Him. Moses' wife was ethiopian. they were the Cushites, all dark skinned, In fact Mirium, his sister, mocked him, she was struck with leprosy, Ironically turns an individual white.
Please excuse legnth and spelling, still at work, have alot to finish, short week.
Blessing
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
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Originally Posted by jamstigator
One interesting thing about Christianity, as an aside: there are very, very, very few actual Christians. The vast majority of those who say they are Christian aren't, except in terms of giving lip service to the teachings of Jesus. Christians are those who believe, AND PRACTICE, what Jesus Christ taught, and the main gist of what he taught is absolute pacifism under all circumstances. If you'd vote for a war, any war, for any cause, regardless of how just it might be in your mind, you aren't a Christian. If your mother is being raped, and the only way to prevent it is via some form of violence, and you would do so, you aren't a Christian. If someone was beating you, and intended to kill you, and the only way to prevent your death was to commit violence on the person intending to kill you, and you would do so to save your life, you aren't a Christian. Clearly, there are very few people who believe and practice what Jesus taught. In part, this may because such people often eliminate themselves from the gene pool, by being killed while practicing absolute pacifism. Absolute pacifism is just not a survival trait.
Those who say they are Christian, but who don't actually practice what Christ taught, are nothing more than hypocrites. I admire the concepts of peace and pacifism, and if I ever meet an actual Christian I will tell him or her so. But I will not hold my breath waiting for that to happen; in almost 42 years I have come across a grand total of 0 such people.
Hello Jamstigator, I guess, you got your view that Christians are passive by the passage, that quotes Jesus saying "If a person strikes you on your check, to turn to him the other to smite also." Jesus would often say shocking statements to make His point. His disciples were busy trying to jostle for position, in what they thought His kingdom was going to be. His kingdom wasn't a physical kingdom, which they all hoped for. Which is why Judas split.
As briefly as possible, His point!!!
Love does not have an opportunity to occur until the feelings associated with love are gone......this isn't an easy one.
Love is a decision,...When do we have to make a decision - to wish well for, and toward another?... But,......When the feelings are gone.......When the feelings are gone... when the intoxication of romance is gone, Isn't it then when we can grow into commitment and deeper love. My wife and I went thru typical hassles, trying to figure out life, clueless lost,... It can be very grating and hard. When I saw my wife's desire for things to just work...........man,....
I spent money on cars and whatever,....... leaving very little for her,.... her patience with me,....I tell ya,.. I have worked the last five years to make up, the best I can. That is what ~ turning of her cheek did to me.
How about some jerk just being an asshole, to find you congenial and unoffended. Your influence in his life?.....also, of what the lord was referring. How about when a close friend - talks trash about you. How about an incorrigible child? Doesn't mean we should just lay down
Self defense is totally appropriate. Someone breaks in, wants to jack with me, my wife, kids? I will put a bullet in their head in Jesus name. Otherwise I would not be fulfilling my role as priest over my home. We must keep the Lords words in context of the point he is making.
Their was and is mandated war. From the very beginning, we were given a mandate, to rule and take dominion. From the very 2nd ch into The Good Book.
I try to let things speak clearly where and as they are. Of coarse coloration, due to my personal view is appropriate to state.
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
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Originally Posted by birdgirl73
What has it been for you, Psycho, 2 times through the D experience?
So I'm curious as to whether you're finished with trips to the altar or if romance and hope spring eternal and you're still out there wookin' pa nub?
I thought you were asking him if he tried Heroin, twice.
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
Why doesn't he just mind his own business bloody pervet wants to know what you do behind close doors to.why not just concentrate on serious important issues instead of the little issues that don't mean anything.:thumbsup:
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
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Originally Posted by braddog10
Hay Beach!
Hey, Braddog, I've encountered two types of religious people in my life, those who are spiritual and those consumed by dogma. The latter are controlling and intolerant. I've never had a problem with spiritual folks, they're easy to get along with (and fun to talk to when high); their world is beyond the matters of Caesar.
My point about where Christianity stands on slavery, segregation, and civil/gay rights is that it still stands in the dark ages. If we'd let Christianity (again, every sectarian voice) determine the question of slavery, they'd still be debating it. Fact is, it took some secular minds to move off the question and say "No, slavery isn't really a good thing for humanity."
My problem with God in government is that it is a God of committee, made up of the same minds that made the arbitrary and anal rules for the senior prom in high school... Peace! ;)
Bush calls for gay marriage ban
Secular religion encourages the ways and beliefs that were practiced in the days of Rome..there was no "official religion" of Rome..it was in a way about mutual toleration..except when it came to Christians..which was not tolerated because Christians gave allegiance only to Jesus. the Edict of Milan A.D.313 declared that Christian worship would be allowed for the first time...and what happened to Rome? It seems history does repeat itself. I need to look up the stance on this issue involving the scientologist.
