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i think me and makor01 are in the same position.
he's fighting for freedom abroad, while being chastized for it.
i do what i can locally to fight for freedom, which is what you have to do, right? freedom isn't free we're told. the same thing goes for here in America, doesn't it? can i sit by and just expect it to be there? i'm doing it nonviolently though, while being chastized for it.
Understood...and if you were there my next hit's for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by makor01
and even before my word is challenged anymore about why i am on these boards. i was doing searches one night on addictions to pain killers and i found this site. i am addicted to pain killers at the moment because of what has happened to me.
as i explored this site more i did like some of the other forums they had here, thats why im here.
i was there psy....1 year 2 mo.
makor01: Much respect to you! Don't just shit yourself, there are many Kurds and Shiites in Iraq that feel the same. Likewise, neighboring countries that feared the future of an Iraq with Sadamm without sanctions. I wish you all the best!!!
pisshead:"pointless empire building"? Please point out how we are building our empire. As I recall, "empire building" in history was when a country invaded another, set up its own council with no elections at all for the people, and also used the people of these lands as cheap labor to rape the riches from their country. You know, like the Spanish in South America, Britin in the Middle East...India...etc., the French, Soviet Union.....What extra lands are now classified a state or territory of the U.S. As usual for a U.S. war we bomb, invade, take some control with council from that country, rebuild, then leave. Just wait, if it falls in line with history, we'll be bitching in 20 years of how much better Iraq is economically compared to us! I.E. Japan!
If we were this "empire builder", we would have states all over Europe, North Africa, South America, the Middle East, and Asia! We have got to be labled in history as the stupidest empire builders of all time with that record! :D
Idf anything you're the smartest empire builders of all time, because you don't even have to invade a country to control it..
as for this topic. I dont see how anybody can argue that the abuse that has been reported is justifiable. I don't see how anyone can say that it is necessary. I dont see how anyone can say war is necessary or justifiable. Like that dude said, he might have doubted the politic reasons behind the war, but that stopped when the lead went flying. Now he's even proud that he killed a load of people. Him and his buddies probably placed bets to see who could kill the most each day. Blind allegiance like that scares the shit out of me.
Do you mean like how China, Iran, N. Korea and others are conforming to our will? :confused:
dude we didnt place bets like that at all, that was a pointless comment. kill or be killed in most cases. i hope you never have to experience that.
but it did feel good sometimes :eek:
I mean countries that rely on the International Monetary Fund for financial aid.. The US, being the wealthiest country, has the most influence over the IMF, and often uses it to coax countries (such as Argentina) in to conforming by threatening them with cutting their financial aid, etc.. I mean countries where the US has pressured the governments in to becoming tougher on drugs traffickers, dealers, even users.. I mean countries where the US has pressured the government in to allowing the US to spray chemicals over land suspected to be growing cocaine.. These countries have no choice but to do whatever the US says.
Makor: Okay, youre right, that was a pointless comment - I dont know anything about you so I shouldnt have said that. However, I do know that kind of stuff happens; it's not just entirely made up. And I hope I never have to experience that, either.. when put in that position I would find killing somebody equally as undesirable - if not more so - as being killed...
How does making stipulations on financial aid relate to empire building? If I tell my kid he has to be home at a decent time, no toking or drinking while driving my car, and by the way....grass needs mowing on saturday or no allowance! Does this constitute me as being an evil empire builder based on the fact if he doesn't follow my philosophy he gets no cash? I don't think so...he might, but I don't! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Don't get me wrong! I don't support Nixens' war on drugs and I don't support the spending of 16 billion a year for men in black hoods to make busts! Do you really believe that the leaders of the countries you mentioned want drug lords ruling their countries from the sidelines..HELL NO. Ask the good ol' U.S. to bring down the lords so they can have military, and financial control in the countries that they are suppose to be ruling over.
Dude, look at Canada. Took in S. Vietnam A.W.O.L.'s....open seed sites...lax laws regarding marijuana arrests. Is Canada such a military might or did they tell the U.S. to keep the cash they have to offer and they'll keep legistating however they want? Columbia and many other S. American countries could, at any time, tell the U.S. to keep their aid and actually legalize their profitable drugs for export and the U.S. couldn't, and wouldn't do shit! But thats where the problem actually lies. Fat cats in other countries don't want all that illegal money to become legal and likewise making that "Drug Lord" a highly regarded member of the community that they may have to rub shoulders with! Face it, it's not the U.S. DEMANDING to these foriegn leaders...it's their own choice.
Same logic goes for the U.S. Do you really believe that the likes of Kerry and Kennedy want to see the black man, mexican, and hippy on the floor of the senate. Kennedy, of all people, knows that legalization in the U.S. means that, like HIS forefathers, so called criminal elements now have power and influence. When the good ol' boys (Kerry/Kennedy) meet for a splash of wine they don't want to have to deal with us firing up a blunt in the same room not to mention exposing their loved ones people of our caliber! We're not "building empires", the good ol' boys just don't want their lil' empire disturbed.
I don't see your point. Politics is almost always choosing the lesser of two evils.