Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
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Originally Posted by rightwinger
Unfortunately they do end up in our very expensive hospital emergency rooms for "free" medical care. One hospital in Texas spent over 200K last year for one single homeless man that kept coming into the emergency room for a variety of tests. BTW--they never could find anything wrong with him. Overall this one hospital billed Medicade for over 500K on a total of 18 continual frequent visitors.
Until that stops--and there are other places for these type of people to go--we are not going to be able to stop the sky-rocketing costs of health care.
That's nothing. We had a patient & their family who had insurance. The family didn't want to pull the plug. The patient had been dead for several weeks (brain). Staff could smell the stench of the rotting body. We have the tech to keep a body going for a long long time (too long in my opinion), but people have got to learn to deal with death. It's a part of life. That family racked up over 1.4 million in bills. I don't blame the insurance for not covering all of it as it's not their fault the family can't let go.
500k for 1 homeless guy in Texas. Shit happens all the time here in CO.
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Originally Posted by cologrower420
It seems like you are criticizing rightwinger, I would like you to clarify. I would consider myself an 'expert' in this field, and everything he has said about insurance is spot on.
Are you an Expert on Social Security & Medicare
You might want to take the time to read what I responded to. I have taken the time to repost it so you don't have to.
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The disabled are and have been taken care of in this country.
FYI I am disabled on Social Security and if you consider living on $600 - $1200 (the average social security check) a month being taken care of then you sure have an interesting point of being taken care of. I pay close to $200 a month just in copays & premiums (deducted from my social security check). I don't even qualify for extra help from Social security because of my husbands Piddly unemployment check. (the company he used to work for went Belly up)
Several Medications I take are only available in Name Brand & can not be substituted due to my health condition I am very limited in the Medications I can take.
Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
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Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
If that!
I don't know any other industry where when they are billed, they come back and say,"Sorry we're only going to pay X amount".
If I take my car to the mechanic and he bills me $500, I can't say "Well I'm only going to pay $250".
The whole industry/field/system is screwed up. From the medical education schools to billing practices of the medical offices to the insurance companies down to the patients who won't practice a bit of common sense and got see a general practitioner instead of going to the ED for a common cold!
Definitely-
Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
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Originally Posted by mustangwomyn
Are you an Expert on Social Security & Medicare
You might want to take the time to read what I responded to. I have taken the time to repost it so you don't have to.
FYI I am disabled on Social Security and if you consider living on $600 - $1200 (the average social security check) a month being taken care of then you sure have an interesting point of being taken care of. I pay close to $200 a month just in copays & premiums (deducted from my social security check). I don't even qualify for extra help from Social security because of my husbands Piddly unemployment check. (the company he used to work for went Belly up)
Several Medications I take are only available in Name Brand & can not be substituted due to my health condition I am very limited in the Medications I can take.
There are millions on social security disability and many are non-deserving of it. They find the loop-holes and raid it. Then the other problem is government itself.
What started out as a great plan for the elderly in this country (back in the 1930's) to take care of them when they aged turned out to be the greatest ponzi scheme--better than Bernie Maddof ever thought of. Currently--employees/employer contributions are 12.4% of gross payroll though-out ones entire life of working. Do the MATH. Our government uses it as a slush fund--meaning they take the money--spend it on wars--foreign aid--and anything and everything other than the well being of our disabled and retirees. Then if you're lucky enough to hit the age that the government decides you can obtain YOUR money--they give diddly sqwat back to you in a monthly check. If you meet your demise before the government age and are not married the government simply confiscates it. Now--if you did your math on gross income multiplied by 12.4% over ones working lifetime--you would realise that there should be no-one in this country that would be having to eat dog food. A simple guaranteed passbook money market guaranteed fund would far out-do what social security pays out. IOW--it not anyone's fault that you're getting 600-700 per month other than the government's mis-management of social security.
Today--we have Michael Bennet running for senator who wants to keep this slush fund--and Ken Buck who wants younger people to be able to invest in "safe--guaranteed" private sector funds that the government can't get their hands on--and should they meet their demise early--their heirs can inherit it. Democrats typically like to scare the elderly out of this proposal using the stock market jirations--and making certain that you don't know about guaranteed insurance annuities--C.D's and money market accounts.
Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
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Originally Posted by mustangwomyn
Are you an Expert on Social Security & Medicare
You might want to take the time to read what I responded to. I have taken the time to repost it so you don't have to.
FYI I am disabled on Social Security and if you consider living on $600 - $1200 (the average social security check) a month being taken care of then you sure have an interesting point of being taken care of. I pay close to $200 a month just in copays & premiums (deducted from my social security check). I don't even qualify for extra help from Social security because of my husbands Piddly unemployment check. (the company he used to work for went Belly up)
Several Medications I take are only available in Name Brand & can not be substituted due to my health condition I am very limited in the Medications I can take.
Go get em girl...I too am on social sec disability from an on the job injury plus other health issues and I can definatly support your statement that we on social sec are not very well taken care of...yes we might have insurance but there are co-pays and medicine costs that still must be paid out of pocket and of course there is always the mortgage and utilities etc.
so yes there are many people who are being let down and under cared for in our system that need help but sadly there is not much more help available.
Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
Your the one that said.
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Originally Posted by rightwinger
The disabled are and have been taken care of in this country.
That statement has noting to do with people that are non-deserving, and let me assure you getting approved for Social Security Disability is not easy, thus most that are on Social Security Disability are deserving as it usually requires an appeal to get approved as almost always are denied at the first stage. In fact many give up because the approval process is so difficult.
Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
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Originally Posted by mustangwomyn
Your the one that said.
That statement has noting to do with people that are non-deserving, and let me assure you getting approved for Social Security Disability is not easy, thus most that are on Social Security Disability are deserving as it usually requires an appeal to get approved as almost always are denied at the first stage. In fact many give up because the approval process is so difficult.
Look I know people who are perfectly capable of working-that get social security disability. One guy with back pain that somehow got it--that rides around on his Harley Davidson all day long. Another young woman who has some kind of new disease--that no doctor can verify-get's it. Social Security disability comes down to how good your lawyer is--and how many times one person stays after it. Then another that worked a total of 2 weeks her entire life--got addicted to hard core drugs--and gets social security disability benefits--and has received it for DECADES.
So don't tell me there's no fraud in social security disability benefits.
Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
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Originally Posted by rightwinger
Look I know people who are perfectly capable of working-that get social security disability. One guy with back pain that somehow got it--that rides around on his Harley Davidson all day long. Another young woman who has some kind of new disease--that no doctor can verify-get's it. Social Security disability comes down to how good your lawyer is--and how many times one person stays after it. Then another that worked a total of 2 weeks her entire life--got addicted to hard core drugs--and gets social security disability benefits--and has received it for DECADES.
So don't tell me there's no fraud in social security disability benefits.
First off I NEVER said there is No Fraud, I said that most are deserving, but I guess that don't fit your agenda, so you twist my words. Secondly Winning a social security appeal is a time consuming matter, in my case it was close to 18 months - 2 years (which is normal) before I won my appeal with no income in the mean time. Please tell me how many peeps are willing to starve (no income) to fraud the government.
It is also necessary to have credits to receive social security disability, that means working more than 2 weeks, usually close to 10 years credits which means they either worked more or are drawing on a family members credits.
I am also glad that you think its fraud cause a doctor can't find a disease. Just because a persons condition doesn't have a known disease doesn't mean they aren't disabled.
But once again what does that have to do with your statement that the disabled are taken care of ?????
Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
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Originally Posted by mustangwomyn
First off I NEVER said there is No Fraud, I said that most are deserving, but I guess that don't fit your agenda, so you twist my words. Secondly Winning a social security appeal is a time consuming matter, in my case it was close to 18 months - 2 years (which is normal) before I won my appeal with no income in the mean time. Please tell me how many peeps are willing to starve (no income) to fraud the government.
It is also necessary to have credits to receive social security disability, that means working more than 2 weeks, usually close to 10 years credits which means they either worked more or are drawing on a family members credits.
I am also glad that you think its fraud cause a doctor can't find a disease. Just because a persons condition doesn't have a known disease doesn't mean they aren't disabled.
But once again what does that have to do with your statement that the disabled are taken care of ?????
Give me a break--I personally know this "young" woman. She put in a few years of work--decided she no longer wanted to work--went to 50 different doctors in this state until she found "one" that agreed with her. She stayed after it for about 3 years--and has and will continue to get social security disability benefits for the rest of her life.
Now if you want to POINT your finger at someone as to the reason why someone like you whom is actually disabled gets diddly sqwat in a monthly check why don't you blame someone like her--who has raided this system along with a few hundred thousand of them? Would you prefer to fix this system or just unload more debt on your children and grandchildren in order to up your monthly check? That's basically where the rubber meets the road in this discussion.
This is the entire point. Government has never been consistent or efficient with taxpayer money. Once they are in control of your money--they will grow and expand to others who are not as deserving. Then they will want more money to do it again.
And that is exactly what is going on with social security today. Now they're talking about raising the age for retirement benefits--and they'll do it.
Colorado Gubernatorial Candidates Debate
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Originally Posted by mustangwomyn
Are you an Expert on Social Security & Medicare
You might want to take the time to read what I responded to. I have taken the time to repost it so you don't have to.
FYI I am disabled on Social Security and if you consider living on $600 - $1200 (the average social security check) a month being taken care of then you sure have an interesting point of being taken care of. I pay close to $200 a month just in copays & premiums (deducted from my social security check). I don't even qualify for extra help from Social security because of my husbands Piddly unemployment check. (the company he used to work for went Belly up)
Several Medications I take are only available in Name Brand & can not be substituted due to my health condition I am very limited in the Medications I can take.
Please don't look down your nose at me because you're sick. You aren't the only one, and no one is out to get you. Show some respect to those who are trying to help you. You seem to have an aggressive attitude toward me which is undeserved.
To answer your question, yes, I would consider myself and our agency to be medicare, not so much on the social security. Do you have a specific question or anything?
rightwinger correctly posted that there is already coverage for the uninsured, the underinsured, and the poor. You seem to take issue with the fact that he seems to be against socialized medicine. I'm not sure though, I don't care. If you think he needs to clarify that there isn't enough coverage, then say that. But don't treat rightwinger like a liar, because he's telling the truth even though it hurts.
I asked you to clarify and I don't see where you did. Are you saying there is a problem with access to your care, or are you unhappy with the cost? Are you unhappy with current subsidies or something? It's like you're saying you can't find coverage or get care, which is untrue.
