10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
By the way, I do support a yes vote on Proposition 19. In important ways it is a big step forward. However, there will be some issues with the initiative we're going to have to address right away.
Edit: It should also be noted that as a grower I'll potentially have to distribute much more medicine in order to meet my overhead as the result of the subsequent drop in donations due to the drop in value susequent to 19 passing; which sorta sucks.
But hey, small price to pay to help end this "drug" war on our people.
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
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Originally Posted by leadmagnet
By the way, I do support a yes vote on Proposition 19. In important ways it is a big step forward. However, there will be some issues with the initiative we're going to have to address right away.
Edit: It should also be noted that as a grower I'll potentially have to distribute much more medicine in order to meet my overhead as the result of the subsequent drop in donations due to the drop in value susequent to 19 passing; which sorta sucks.
But hey, small price to pay to help end this "drug" war on our people.
Wooord. I wish more people had your outlook... :)
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
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Originally Posted by leadmagnet
...In the State of California peace officer and private citizen powers to arrest are basically the same for misdemeanors. For felonies however; while a felony must have actually been committed for a private person's arrest, peace officers are granted far more leeway if it turns out a crime was not committed. Smoking in the presence of an individual under 18 will be a felony per prop 19.
So while it will take a while for the courts to clearly define the parameters as it relates to the law on the presence of juveniles in the company of medical marijuana patients, a lot of patients are going to be left open to arrest by law enforcement officers for ingesting their cannabis meds in the presence of said juveniles.
Lead, I would trust your judgement over a lawyers, I mean its one thing to write laws and put them in a book, but being out in the field enforcing them is a whole other kettle fish. :twocents:
but I gotta ask, is it not a felony now to smoke weed in front of a minor? If so are med user exempt from this now. If they are they would still be exempt. I can't imagine that they are actually making the laws any more severe, they are just stating in the prop that this prop will not make those laws null and void. That is the way I read it but I'm not a lawyer either.
One of these nights I'll get a wild hair and look up the actual law as its written now and compare it with the prop, but my read is no new laws just reaffirming that the old laws about minors will not be thrown out if this new prop passes. Is that the way anyone else reads it, or maybe somebody knows the current laws. ??
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
Thanks for the kind words boaz.
As far as I'm aware, under California law being in a place where marijuana is being smoked is no longer a crime in California and it hasn't been for years; regardless of the age of the individuals present. Under prop 19 that may change, for the worse.
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
treat it just like alcohol ...vote yes:thumbsup:
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
Anyone who votes to keep arresting people for cannabis is a frigging piece of shiz, and should be shot in the street. It wouldn't matter if the limit were 2 grams, only sold 1 mile from any living thing. The point is that it's a beginning. LEGAL. Say that again LEGAL. It is open season on anyone who votes to keep killing Mexicans and pour money into the black market. It will not effect prop 215, that's RIGHT THERE in the text. To side with the prohibitionists makes you no better than a DEA agent, and we all know what should happen to those dog-murdering, life-ruining, cousin-f%cking maggots.
Inciting violence over a vote? You're goddamn right I am.
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
^ fuck dude, kinda harsh, hu? there is no need to get rude, this is a forum to discuss this kind of stuff, both sides. i can understand why some people would vote no. do what your conscience tells you but know all the true facts.
but that said, vote yes damnit!! :rastasmoke:
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
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Originally Posted by elduderin0
Anyone who votes to keep arresting people for cannabis is a frigging piece of shiz, and should be shot in the street. It wouldn't matter if the limit were 2 grams, only sold 1 mile from any living thing. The point is that it's a beginning. LEGAL. Say that again LEGAL. It is open season on anyone who votes to keep killing Mexicans and pour money into the black market. It will not effect prop 215, that's RIGHT THERE in the text. To side with the prohibitionists makes you no better than a DEA agent, and we all know what should happen to those dog-murdering, life-ruining, cousin-f%cking maggots.
Inciting violence over a vote? You're goddamn right I am.
It is probably safe to assume you were drunk and stoned when you wrote that so I won't take you seriously.
Simply stated this isn't a battle we can win with violence. Besides, that would make us just like the prohibitionists we oppose.
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
Vote no so the cartels can stay in business, police can invade people's houses, you're subject to the smell test, you have to piss in a cup to get a job, and the list goes on.
So if that's not reason enough why to vote yes, then you have no reason to bitch and moan when your next on the hit list. :twocents:
10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19
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Originally Posted by boaz
... is it not a felony now to smoke weed in front of a minor? If so are med user exempt from this now. If they are they would still be exempt. I can't imagine that they are actually making the laws any more severe, they are just stating in the prop that this prop will not make those laws null and void. That is the way I read it but I'm not a lawyer either.
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okay, here is the current law in California. Here is some highlights below.
California Health and Safety Code - Section 11357-11362.9 :: Article 2. Marijuana
11357. (a) Except as authorized by law, every person who possesses
any concentrated cannabis shall be punished by imprisonment in the
county jail for a period of not more than one year or by a fine of
not more than five hundred dollars ($500), or by both such fine and
imprisonment, or shall be punished by imprisonment in the state
prison.
(b) Except as authorized by law, every person who possesses not
more than 28.5 grams of marijuana, other than concentrated cannabis,
is guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine of not
more than one hundred dollars ($100). Notwithstanding other
provisions of law, if such person has been previously convicted three
or more times of an offense described in this subdivision during the
two-year period immediately preceding the date of commission of the
violation to be charged, the previous convictions shall also be
charged in the accusatory pleading and, if found to be true by the
jury upon a jury trial or by the court upon a court trial or if
admitted by the person, the provisions of Sections 1000.1 and 1000.2
of the Penal Code shall be applicable to him, and the court shall
divert and refer him for education, treatment, or rehabilitation,
without a court hearing or determination or the concurrence of the
district attorney, to an appropriate community program which will
accept him. ...
(c) Except as authorized by law, every person who possesses more
than 28.5 grams of marijuana, other than concentrated cannabis, shall
be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not
more than six months or by a fine of not more than five hundred
dollars ($500), or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(d) Except as authorized by law, every person 18 years of age or
over who possesses not more than 28.5 grams of marijuana, other than
concentrated cannabis, upon the grounds of, or within, any school
providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 through 12
during hours the school is open for classes or school-related
programs is guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine
of not more than five hundred dollars ($500), or by imprisonment in
the county jail for a period of not more than 10 days, or both.
...
11358. Every person who plants, cultivates, harvests, dries, or
processes any marijuana or any part thereof, except as otherwise
provided by law, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state
prison.
11359. Every person who possesses for sale any marijuana, except as
otherwise provided by law, shall be punished by imprisonment in the
state prison.
11360. (a) Except as otherwise provided by this section or as
authorized by law, every person who transports, imports into this
state, sells, furnishes, administers, or gives away, or offers to
transport, import into this state, sell, furnish, administer, or give
away, or attempts to import into this state or transport any
marijuana shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a
period of two, three or four years.
...
11361. (a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs,
or uses a minor in unlawfully transporting, carrying, selling,
giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who
unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who
furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer,
or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who
induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be
punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three,
five, or seven years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes,
administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any
marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by
imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five
years.
...
11362. As used in this article "felony offense," and offense
"punishable as a felony" refer to an offense for which the law
prescribes imprisonment in the state prison as either an alternative
or the sole penalty, regardless of the sentence the particular
defendant received.
...
all of this ^ would be nullified by Prop 19 except for the sections about smoking with minors. There are NO new laws about smoking in front of a minor. The Prop simply states that the current laws would remain in effect. (see below)
(c) ??Personal consumption? shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301;
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.
No new law there just saying the old laws are not made null and void by Prop 19.
The only new law that I see is this.
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
That ^ as far as I can tell would be a new law. I could understand some not wanting this part but look at all the other laws you get to throw out. seems like a good compromise to me. just don't smoke out with minors, I never have and never plan on it so it would have zero effect on me. Its similar to laws around alcohol, you could do time for giving a beer to someone under 21 but in reality, these laws are never enforced. I personally have no problem with it at all. :twocents:
