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your plants look great bro...except the balls...but i figured you had everything under control...keep em green :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by irydyum

It's amazing how the simplest of things escape our minds at times. We get geared in one direction and get so focused that the rest becomes blurred.

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Man thats for sure, i couldn't figure out how the hell to stop what the hell ever is trying to dig up my dog. My friend says '' i got some chicken wire we can put over him to discourage them''. Man the whole time im thinking more dirt, or rocks just anything to make him deeper. Its messed up. But the wire is on, and i think he's god now.

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I'm curious to see you pull this off. Gonna be an interesting one for sure.

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Oh ya questioning my skillz bro,:cool: lmao, yeah your going to need to let me know when i can tell when pollen is there to take. I wouldn't think it would need to complete itself, but never grew a male i didn't chop down before.

I dug it up this morning and replaced it with a smaller one that needed to get in the ground. I took the male an chucked it into a pot and now have it in a box with a couple cfls on it. Man this thing is filled with nutsacks, lol. But i got a question, i was told that the seeds were femed, so is it a hermy or male? I would think hermy, only because their femed, but the only difference in the hermy iv seen is this plant has more balls and looks like a pic used to identify a male. Clusters of balls, il try an get a pic up.

Later man:rasta:

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Originally Posted by stra8outtaWeed

your plants look great bro...except the balls...but i figured you had everything under control...keep em green :thumbsup:

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Hey Stra8, thanks a lot man, but i got a ways to go. I really hope it goes well. Things look good and the deer havent touched them at all, but about every 4 days i take a big ass bunch of piss and blaze the trail with it. Its the only method iv heard of that makes sense.

Gotta say that your grow looked wonderful:hippy:. I was wondering what you felt about it, everyone has their own expectations of what they want in the end. I guess i just was hoping you were thrilled with it. Your a bit more used to having killer big grows, so when i check it out, its kinda like, just don't get the slobber on the keyboard, lol:thumbsup:

Il be watching your next one again for sure:thumbsup: i luv them lights man:hippy:


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Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa

But i got a question, i was told that the seeds were femed, so is it a hermy or male?

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I think it's a male, if i know the source, femmed was speculation at best. If you don't see ANY pistils, then it's probably all male. I think that's a good thing, the resulting seed stock should have some hybrid vigor and grow quick hopefully.

As far as when to take them, you'll see the male flowers open up. When they open up is when the pollen gets released. You'll probably wake up one day to see that a couple of fans have a yellow or white powder on top of em (assuming airflow is a minimum). I'm positive there are better explanations on this site than I can provide, but the idea is to contain some of that pollen into a STERILE, DRY container. Then you use a small brush to put the pollen on a couple lower buds of the plant you want to inseminate. It only takes a single grain of pollen to attach to a single pistil to create a seed in the attached calyx. Nature takes over from there.

I saw Rusty dropped in, as I'm sure he has more experience with this than me, maybe he can tidy my explanation up a bit for ya.

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Originally Posted by irydyum

I think it's a male, if i know the source, femmed was speculation at best. If you don't see ANY pistils, then it's probably all male. I think that's a good thing, the resulting seed stock should have some hybrid vigor and grow quick hopefully.

As far as when to take them, you'll see the male flowers open up. When they open up is when the pollen gets released. You'll probably wake up one day to see that a couple of fans have a yellow or white powder on top of em (assuming airflow is a minimum). I'm positive there are better explanations on this site than I can provide, but the idea is to contain some of that pollen into a STERILE, DRY container. Then you use a small brush to put the pollen on a couple lower buds of the plant you want to inseminate. It only takes a single grain of pollen to attach to a single pistil to create a seed in the attached calyx. Nature takes over from there.

I saw Rusty dropped in, as I'm sure he has more experience with this than me, maybe he can tidy my explanation up a bit for ya.

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Thanks irydyum as i much apreciate the info. This one was in the ground and has a lot of balls on it. I sorta thought i didnt need it to go that deep into growing it, but i guess the pollen needs to be growen. This will be interesting as heck mam. To make my own seed, then grow it out, well dosnt get much more effichent then that.

Thanks again man:rasta:

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Originally Posted by irydyum

I think it's a male, if i know the source, femmed was speculation at best. If you don't see ANY pistils, then it's probably all male. I think that's a good thing, the resulting seed stock should have some hybrid vigor and grow quick hopefully.

As far as when to take them, you'll see the male flowers open up. When they open up is when the pollen gets released. You'll probably wake up one day to see that a couple of fans have a yellow or white powder on top of em (assuming airflow is a minimum). I'm positive there are better explanations on this site than I can provide, but the idea is to contain some of that pollen into a STERILE, DRY container. Then you use a small brush to put the pollen on a couple lower buds of the plant you want to inseminate. It only takes a single grain of pollen to attach to a single pistil to create a seed in the attached calyx. Nature takes over from there.

I saw Rusty dropped in, as I'm sure he has more experience with this than me, maybe he can tidy my explanation up a bit for ya.

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Thanks irydyum as i much appreciate the info. This one was in the ground and has a lot of balls on it. I sorta thought i didn't need it to go that deep into growing it, but i guess the pollen needs to be grown. This will be interesting as heck Man. To make my own seed, then grow it out, well doesnt get much more efficient then that.

Thanks again man:rasta:

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Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa

I sorta thought i didnt need it to go that deep into growing it,

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Chances are you won't. I can't speculate on the time it's going to take since I have no clue about the genes, however usually within about 2 weeks of showing it's sex, the flowers should begin to open. It will continue to throw pollen from that point on until you decide to kill it, or it decides it's done and kills itself.

You have to love it when you cooperate with nature, you could potentially never need seeds again. Unless of course you don't like how your cross turns out, there will likely be many many variations as it's going to be an F1 cross and highly unstable. You may need to pop quite of few of them next year to make sure that what you put in the ground is what you want to grow, but aside from all that it's fun:thumbsup: And you'll be the only one with your specific cross, that's always cool too.

I'm sure you'll pull it off, i'm just excited to watch:)

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Originally Posted by irydyum

Chances are you won't. I can't speculate on the time it's going to take since I have no clue about the genes, however usually within about 2 weeks of showing it's sex, the flowers should begin to open. It will continue to throw pollen from that point on until you decide to kill it, or it decides it's done and kills itself.

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Well they look like they could open at any moment, sorta odd, but i did start them inside so its not like they are real young. Took me to just about Aujest to find any males last year, but different strain could be an issue id think.

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You have to love it when you cooperate with nature, you could potentially never need seeds again. Unless of course you don't like how your cross turns out, there will likely be many many variations as it's going to be an F1 cross and highly unstable. You may need to pop quite of few of them next year to make sure that what you put in the ground is what you want to grow, but aside from all that it's fun:thumbsup: And you'll be the only one with your specific cross, that's always cool too.

I'm sure you'll pull it off, i'm just excited to watch:)

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Man i really need to read up on this. I cant find a place to read about seeds. I need so much info, because i don't understand what is what. F1 cross? Is there an F2 and that means? So i need to find some reading that would educate me on this kinda shit that i really want to know.

Thanks for the confidence bro,:cool:


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If you just pollinate plant "A" with plant "B", you'll end-up with traits from both plants parents, and likely some traits from the grandparents of each, too. The idea is to promote desirable traits, (like bushiness, or fruity flavors, or THC content...) and avoid the bad genetics. (like stretching too much, slow finishing, low stress tolerance...) In other words...You chose the best representation of the breeds you are crossing and use them as your parents, and keep your fingers crossed.

Below is a breeding lineage chart for the listed cross. Then it shows the back-crossing, (of the resultant seeds) which aids in setting-in desirable traits, and then back-crossed again (from the resultant seeds) to stabilize the offspring and prevent phenotype diversity. (hopefully only two phenotypes by now) The more you back-cross the plants with desirable characteristics, the more stable the resultant offspring.
(the seeds (plants) without the M or F designation under it, were not acceptable for back-crossing, but they are still represented here for some reason) Notice the divergence of the process after the second back-cross.
This is great if you are selling your seeds, but a bit of overkill if just breeding for personal meds. Many different ways to screw-up, so use proper care, sanitation and labeling. Tiz a long process, and starting over from scratch is time consuming, and just plain sucks.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

If you just pollinate plant "A" with plant "B", you'll end-up with traits from both plants parents, and likely some traits from the grandparents of each, too. The idea is to promote desirable traits, (like bushiness, or fruity flavors, or THC content...) and avoid the bad genetics. (like stretching too much, slow finishing, low stress tolerance...) In other words...You chose the best representation of the breeds you are crossing and use them as your parents, and keep your fingers crossed.

Below is a breeding lineage chart for the listed cross. Then it shows the back-crossing, (of the resultant seeds) which aids in setting-in desirable traits, and then back-crossed again (from the resultant seeds) to stabilize the offspring and prevent phenotype diversity. (hopefully only two phenotypes by now) The more you back-cross the plants with desirable characteristics, the more stable the resultant offspring.
(the seeds (plants) without the M or F designation under it, were not acceptable for back-crossing, but they are still represented here for some reason) Notice the divergence of the process after the second back-cross.
This is great if you are selling your seeds, but a bit of overkill if just breeding for personal meds. Many different ways to screw-up, so use proper care, sanitation and labeling. Tiz a long process, and starting over from scratch is time consuming, and just plain sucks.

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Thanks Rusty, thats great information iv been looking for here. I thought i could get something on the sticky thats got all the charts in it. I was able to get a few for plant Ph deficiency, which will be put to good use till i can put them n the vault.

Anyway, its some complicated shit, but i think after iv read it a few times and the chart you added pretty much laid it out in a way i could understand. I need to buy a book as i have a bunch of bonsai stuff, but no MJ books to read. My ex who lives here works at B@N, but is afraid to buy one for me:wtf:. So, i guess their site has some used books im planing on look for today. I am looking for something that will explain breeding, but also an over all genral book of useful information. I ya have any books you would suggest, let me know as i cant get more then one now and what im looking for in one book il probably never find. But i haven't looked yet:wtf:

Thanks once again Rusty:rasta: