The economics of MMJ?

maybe I missed it but what you guys arent talking about .container size & watts.......if you got 1 plant under 1k in a 10gal pot, 12oz no problem...12oz is going to be on the low side...those #'s are very possible, but it also takes alot of time to train/stake the plants.....look at kartels, he takes the time to spread everything out to get the most out of his plants.

Learning to grow my own I am, small apartment or not.[/QUOTE]


Me too. Less than 300 dollars and I can go on forever. Here in Rhode Island there is a real helpful group who are helping us to establish outlets. Who are those guys really? Defend your right to hold onto seeds. Corn farmers are not having much luck doing that. Pot will be big business in the US and soon.

Hey, Lets get orginaized into co-ops.

Hook up here. What do you think?

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Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan

Hahaha! Wow really!?! I'm spamming? How so?

Just because you know people who have been doing the same thing for YEARS doesn't mean they are doing it right or that they are pushing things to the max. So much depends on strain itself. Some produce, some don't. I love Jack Herer but I can't get it to yield hardly anything but what it does is pure bliss. Now Trainwreck I can pull quite a bit, but I don't like it and I think it's a pain to grow (too much support needed). Big Bud is the same way - huge yield, but it's not for me. 4 oz/plant is pretty much average for people who just let nature take it's course. But there are people out there who push the envelope and are getting huge yields. Am I getting those yields - no but this isn't a fulltime gig for me nor I have poured a ton of money into it. Depending on what strain I'm running, I usually get a decent yield especially if it's a strain I've run before and journaled the previous grow. So often people continue to make the same mistakes over & over again because they don't take the few minutes a day to journal what they have done. I also have a few buckets that I just let nature do it's thing mostly just due to lack of time and I want to see what happens before I start to tweak anything. Personally I think that's the best thing to do when you first run a strain. Just let it grow and see what it does, that way you have a idea if any changes you make help or hurt.

And why so hostile? Why are you taking this so personal? I never said you & your friends suck at growing, just that there are individuals out there that are killin' it when it comes to huge grows! I'm in awe myself and if I hadn't seen pics and in some cases in person - I wouldn't believe it either.

Spamming - ummm pretty sure I'm not advertising fake Viagra or posting false info or posting repeatedly the same info over & over again. Maybe you're a little confused what spam is. And I'm talking about spam on an internet board, not the canned meat-like product (which I grew to love when I live in Hawaii & Guam) - just so you're clear.

Anyway, I hope you finally get some decent yields and I hope it's good medicine for you. You definitely need to relax. It's a plant that should bring you joy & pain relief. Seems to just put you in a pissy mood. I recommend maybe switching to a different strain (Jack Herer is great!) or maybe go back to taking your pysch meds. Talk to your doctor about maybe getting on Wellbutrin - I've seen it work wonders in people's personalities, maybe it'll help yours. Or if you happen to have "mood swings", ask your doc about Lamictal. While I think MMJ works great for a lot of people, and helps with a lot of conditions, it's not the end-all cure-all for everyone. Some, perhaps yourself, still need prescription meds. Good Luck! I wish you the best.

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I am just stating that people who make a living off of growing and have been doing indoor grows for many-many years are always interested in yield. I am not talking about the dispensory owner that opened up last week and is a newcomer grower. The growers I have come to know--using every technique available say they're happy to get 4 oz's per plant. Depending on the strain one can get much less than that.

If there is another way to get more than 4 oz.s per indoor plant you appear to be the only one that is aware of it--and your posts indicate pounds per plant--which is incredibly hard to believe.

Again--if it's that good--patten it.

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LOOK--I really don't give a dam about your big fish stories. I KNOW professional growers that have been doing this for YEARS--and they tell me that a maximun of 4 ounces per plant is all anyone can expect on an indoor grow. GET OVER IT! I don't believe your B.S. and I won't until I see it for myself. I think you're spaming on this board.

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WOW!...didnt know there were people out there that didnt know about lb+ plants indoors...thats been going on for over 15 years that I know of. Hell this is a Strawberry Cough i grew in a 25gallon SOIL bucket. Got 10oz of this one and didnt even train it right. Then the Sour Fuck in a bubbler. That plant is 6feet tall and still have 7 more weeks to grow...look like a 4oz plant to you?I may do this for a living but im far from a Professional Grower...

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Originally Posted by rightwinger

If there is another way to get more than 4 oz.s per indoor plant you appear to be the only one that is aware of it--and your posts indicate pounds per plant--which is incredibly hard to believe.

Again--if it's that good--patten it.

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There are many ways, but I grow in dirt and yield 2-3 lbs per 1000W. Just had a few ISS plants yield 1 lb each.

Here's a pic of my Snowcap in a 20 gal smart pot, this will give you an idea of what's possible. Veg time is 8-10 weeks from cutting the clone, about the same as flowering time, which is very convienient. Imagine 4 of these under a 1kW light. This is how you get 2-3 lb harvests.

edit.... there's no secrets here, you just have to understand how the plant works... roots + light + co2 = buds. increase the amount of the 1st 3 to get more buds. Very simple really....

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Originally Posted by rightwinger

I am just stating that people who make a living off of growing and have been doing indoor grows for many-many years are always interested in yield... The growers I have come to know--using every technique available say they're happy to get 4 oz's per plant. Depending on the strain one can get much less than that.

If there is another way to get more than 4 oz.s per indoor plant you appear to be the only one that is aware of it--and your posts indicate pounds per plant--which is incredibly hard to believe.

Again--if it's that good--patten it.

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No need to patent it as it's fairly common knowledge. Give the plant what it needs, in the right quantities and with enough time & space, it'll be a tree. With the low plant numbers we're allowed here in CO, growing trees is the best bang for your buck. Of course there are those who will argue that it's not a good return on your money due to higher electricity & nute costs, etc... And that's a good argument, I'm just biased towards colas the size of 2 liter bottles! :thumbsup: Your growing buddies' might have different priorities.

Just look at regular farming world, for instance most pumpkin farmers grow pumpkins that are probably typically between 5-50lbs each. Yet there have been plenty of examples of pumpkins weighing in over 1,000lbs. Take a look at roses, most rose blooms are probably about 4-6in in diameter and yet there are people who have roses which are over 30in in diameter (imagine giving your girlfriend a dozen of those!). Tomatoes are typically about 2-4in in diameter & weigh a couple of ounces to maybe 1/2lb each and yet again there are those who have grown a 5lb+ tomato. Ok enough examples.

So long story short, there are lots of people who already know how to get yields greater than 4oz. True there are probably more people who are happy just to get 4oz. But to attack me and to pretty much say I'm lying- well that's just not nice. I think the pics some of the folks here have kindly provided show that it ain't hard to get over 4oz.

Attached are pics (blurred out what site it's from - don't want to piss off mods) of "DoubleDs" 10 plant grow. Pics were taken during week 6. The 10 plants yielded just short of 42lbs ... freakin' incredible!

Ok I'm done arguing about this. It's obvious your growing friends either aren't telling you the truth about actually really attempting other methods wholeheartedly or they just have strains that don't produce yield or they are trying to save money/time somehow and skimping somewhere along the line. Might be time to ask them why they can only get 4oz. If that's the best they can do no matter what strain they run, somethings wrong. Even when I ran Big Bud, and wasn't even trying to get a huge yield, I still got something like 6-9oz per plant.

Don't remember if you're a new grower or not, if so might want to either get different mentors or pick-up a good grow book. Of course there's tons of internet info out there but so much of it conflicts, it can get overwhelming, needless to say confusing. Personally I would recommend starting out with either soil or soil-less buckets. When I teach someone, I like to teach soil-less because newbies can get very excited about growing & end up overcompensating somehow. Those kind of problems are really easy to cure with soil-less (at least I think so). Hydro is cool but is more expensive to get started. Aero is awesome but so much can easily go wrong and when they do the plants suffer very quickly - and the costs are usually even higher than hydro.

Good Luck!
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Attached are pics (blurred out what site it's from - don't want to piss off mods) of "DoubleDs" 10 plant grow. Pics were taken during week 6. The 10 plants yielded just short of 42lbs ... freakin' incredible!

Good Luck!
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Holy $hit, I thought my plants were pretty big for indoor. Very impressive.

Dirt? DWC? How many 1kW lights?

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Holy $hit, I thought my plants were pretty big for indoor. Very impressive.

Dirt? DWC? How many 1kW lights?

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thats the guy i was talking about from the start. but people seem not to want to listen or believe me.thats not thai's grow thats doubles grow.to start it's about 14 1k lights hangin vert with no hood.then the system is rdwc something i have done from the start. b4 i knew about doubleds but not on the scale he is running it on.you won't get that growth in soil in the time frame we work with.double only does 3 weeks veg.it's all about pumping the root zone with tons of oxygen at all times.so not only do you have the air stones in the rez but also in each plant bin then on top of that you recirculate the water through all the bins back to main rez.


but don't take my word for it wait till someone else says it then believe them.....

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Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan

No need to patent it as it's fairly common knowledge. Give the plant what it needs, in the right quantities and with enough time & space, it'll be a tree. With the low plant numbers we're allowed here in CO, growing trees is the best bang for your buck. Of course there are those who will argue that it's not a good return on your money due to higher electricity & nute costs, etc... And that's a good argument, I'm just biased towards colas the size of 2 liter bottles! :thumbsup: Your growing buddies' might have different priorities.

Just look at regular farming world, for instance most pumpkin farmers grow pumpkins that are probably typically between 5-50lbs each. Yet there have been plenty of examples of pumpkins weighing in over 1,000lbs. Take a look at roses, most rose blooms are probably about 4-6in in diameter and yet there are people who have roses which are over 30in in diameter (imagine giving your girlfriend a dozen of those!). Tomatoes are typically about 2-4in in diameter & weigh a couple of ounces to maybe 1/2lb each and yet again there are those who have grown a 5lb+ tomato. Ok enough examples.

So long story short, there are lots of people who already know how to get yields greater than 4oz. True there are probably more people who are happy just to get 4oz. But to attack me and to pretty much say I'm lying- well that's just not nice. I think the pics some of the folks here have kindly provided show that it ain't hard to get over 4oz.

Attached are pics (blurred out what site it's from - don't want to piss off mods) of "DoubleDs" 10 plant grow. Pics were taken during week 6. The 10 plants yielded just short of 42lbs ... freakin' incredible!

Ok I'm done arguing about this. It's obvious your growing friends either aren't telling you the truth about actually really attempting other methods wholeheartedly or they just have strains that don't produce yield or they are trying to save money/time somehow and skimping somewhere along the line. Might be time to ask them why they can only get 4oz. If that's the best they can do no matter what strain they run, somethings wrong. Even when I ran Big Bud, and wasn't even trying to get a huge yield, I still got something like 6-9oz per plant.

Don't remember if you're a new grower or not, if so might want to either get different mentors or pick-up a good grow book. Of course there's tons of internet info out there but so much of it conflicts, it can get overwhelming, needless to say confusing. Personally I would recommend starting out with either soil or soil-less buckets. When I teach someone, I like to teach soil-less because newbies can get very excited about growing & end up overcompensating somehow. Those kind of problems are really easy to cure with soil-less (at least I think so). Hydro is cool but is more expensive to get started. Aero is awesome but so much can easily go wrong and when they do the plants suffer very quickly - and the costs are usually even higher than hydro.

Good Luck!
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Aero is awesome but so much can easily go wrong and when they do the plants suffer very quickly - and the costs are usually even higher than hydro.


not when u mix it with dwc like i do.it's a win win cause basicly you have 2 systems running at the same time so it's like a fail safe. cause if the aero goes down you still have the airstones going and if the air pump stops you have the aero still running.it's great for those times when you would have lost a crop due to a pump clogging or going bad...

not to mention the added oxygen and growth you get from it..

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but don't take my word for it wait till someone else says it then believe them.....

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I believe it, thats 3 lbs per 1kW which I have also done more than once. The veg time is really short, but I think I could come close in soil with some strains like ISS, Agent Orange, and other super fast growing sativa hybrids. The AO I mentioned gets about 10x bigger when we hit 12/12, I can't believe how much they had to be trimmed down after flowering. Growing 1 plant per light would be easy with a strain like that... I agree that DWC maximizes nute uptake in the roots, but large volumes of dirt can accomplish similar yields and is cheap and easy, just needs more veg time.