Al Qaida works for US intelligence

You know, to fully understand our motivations as a nation, and to understand the motivations of our enemies, you really have to go back to WW2 and start from there.

Having formerly been convinced that the US gov't was headed the direction of the NWO, enslaving its own people to support its own interests, I must say that extensive studying of history has put everything into a new perspective, made me drop my ridiculous theories, and take a look at the world from a perspective that doesn't come from armchair conspiracy nuts, but from within my own mind.

All we do as a nation, we do to avoid an open WW3 caused by any number of factors. If it makes us look like international bullies, criminals, despicable human beings with no regard for life, etc... so be it. Because none of those things are as terrible and as ghastly as another world war will be.

You think torturing suspected terrorists is terrible? I'm one of those who says that it may be terrible, but it is less terrible than the sheer amount of torture that happens during wartime by soldiers on all sides.

There is no such thing is Eutopia, and there never will be.

I very much would like to see world peace as much as any other hippy out there, but the fact is that here in America, we're kind of poor at seeing the world as it really is, instead of how we wish it would be.

Whether al-Q is an invention of the US gov't is irrelevant. Because there will always be folks in Islam who will push for a holy war against the west. Until they are all dead, they will continue this war. That means that as long as these people are breathing, they will find a way to strike at you. DOn't believe for a second that if we were to simply pull out of the middle east, they would go away. That really does seem to be a popular mindset, and is utterly missing the point. Here is the point, borrowed from elsewhere:

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Our enemies believe that they are executing Godâ??s will, and that those who oppose them also oppose God. Negotiations and dialogue are meaningless because any sort of compromise or understanding would be in conflict with what they believe to be the wishes of God. They cannot be reasoned with; they can only be killed.

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Whether you like it or not, the pot has been stirred-indeed, has been stirring for hundreds of years- and these people will not simply go away quietly into the night.

My honest assessment of 9-11 is that al-Q (or at least Muslim extremists) very much carried it out, however, we DID let it happen. Now, why did we allow this to happen? Shouldn't the job of our government be to protect every single precious little life in our country?

A nation, any nation, demands sacrifice. Our whole lives are built on sacrifice vs reward. And as Robert Leckie said in his memoir, -

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...sacrifice says: "Not the blood of your brother, my friend- your blood."

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Your life, my life, is not as precious as you would probably like to think.

Moving on.

Lets take a step back to WW2 as I mentioned earlier. The thought coming out of this war is that another should be avoided at all costs. This is probably about the time the constitution became ignored in favor of national security. The cold war was the transition between intelligence used for battlefield warfare, and intelligence warfare as a standalone tactic. Our tactics differed not from the ones openly used now and outlined in Patriot Act 2. And the result?

It worked. USSR fell, we survived.

But then we had (have) a whole host of other issues! Namely, that everybody who was involved in the cold war is now free of USSR control. And to make matters worse, Russia couldn't keep track of its weapons, its generals, its soldiers, its agents, etc... On top of that, we probably cut people loose all over the place, no longer needing them.

So now, our national security is at stake from hundreds of unaccounted-for fronts. We have to step up our game.

This becomes increasingly difficult. The world is a nasty, nasty place, far more than us civilians can fully comprehend. And we don't care to. The population just wants to spend money, read Cosmo, and take vacations. With an attitude like that, you can hardly blame our govt for stepping it up a notch.

So, we have these very very dangerous enemies, we always have and always will whether you hear of them or not. And finally, maybe somebody gets wind of 9/11 who is in a position to stop it. And maybe they let it happen. Why they let it happen is likely never going to be clear.

I'm reminded that during WW2, we had busted open literally every major code the Axis powers used. We knew when they were going to hit, where, and how. But sometimes, you have to let 3000+ sailors die to protect your source, or the codes would be changed, and thus MORE people die. So there is a precedent.

Or maybe its as simple as this: fighting our secret small-scale wars all over the world (on every single continent on the planet, don't fool yourself.), we make enemies everywhere. AS the world becomes a more dangerous place, it becomes harder and harder to do this out of the eyes of the public, and still maintain the required resources.

Boom, boom, the towers fall, and suddenly, our leaders have a blank check to "Fight Terror!". Is there deception at play? You bet. Is it insulting, dirty, deadly, embarassing, shameful, immoral, dishonest, etc...? You bet.

But I challenge any of you living in the US without military combat experience to try and picture a world where we mobilize all of our young men to go fight and die in some nameless, useless part of the world, instead of seeking out every dirty little trick first.

It's a complex world, a world most people can't comprehend 1% of. I'm not supporting all of our actions in the US, but I will say that if it wasn't for actions just as despicable as allowing 9/11 to happen, likely none of us would even have the ability to sit on the internet and bullshit about sasquatch, you dig?

Direct Link To Military Psyops And Donald Rumsfeld

Following the trail for five minutes leads to Pentagon
Steve Watson / Infowars.net | October 5 2006

Related: Surprise Surprise, It's Another Al Qaeda Blockbuster Release <http://infowars.net/articles/October2006/021006video.htm>
Related: Atta's Father Says Video Fake, Credibility of 'Hijackers Tape' Crumbles <http://infowars.net/articles/October2006/031006faketerror.htm>
U.S. Government Caught Red-Handed Releasing Staged Al-Qaeda Videos <http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/051006redhanded.htm>

Following on from our three features on the latest dubious Al Qaeda video, We can reveal that further investigation into the origin of Al Qaeda video and tape release leads straight back to US military intelligence and Donald Rumsfeld.

The origin of the latest video, starring Mohammed Atta and flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah, has been swept under the carpet by the mainstream media who bizarrely admit that the government has had the tape since late 2001 but still suggest it is a new release by Al Qaeda.
Interesting also is the fact that in an NBC article <http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15082633/>, they admit that before receiving the "exclusive US analysis" of the London Sunday Times' tape, they had filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the same tape of Atta earlier this year:
"The Sunday Times said it had obtained the video â??through a previously tested channelâ?� but gave no further details. NBC News filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the videotapes early this year, but the Pentagon has not yet turned them over. "
This is an open admission that it is the Pentagon that has released this tape and not Al Qaeda. this dovetails with our previous analysis that revealed that the footage has been seen before in a docudrama, the Road to Guantanamo, where it is shown to detainees at camp Delta as an intelligence surveillance tape.

Along with experts on Islamic terrorist groups
<http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/031006Atta.htm> who are baffled by the video and have declared that it has come from a security agency, the very journalist who received the tape also says the source was not Al Qaeda. <http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/051006Atta.htm>

It is also interesting that this journalist, Yousri Fouda is not only a Sunday Times journalist but also the London Bureau Chief of Al Jazeera. He is the guy who normally breaks all the Al Qaeda tapes anyway, so really the London Times connection is just a smokescreen.
All evidence indicates that the tapes are provided to Fouda and Al Jazeera by As Sahab, the "production company" of Al Qaeda, via a group known as Intelcenter , who also SELL the videos online.

Intelcenter normally have the tapes available for sale as soon as they are released, indeed in the past they have even predicted when they are going to get a tape before it is released <http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/07/new_al_qaeda_ta.html>, as they did with the second London bomber tape on the anniversary of 7/7.

Intel center is run by Ben Venzke, who is an interesting character. A google search <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Venzke%2Bidefense> results in the revelation that he used to be the director of intelligence at a company called IDEFENSE which is a verisign company.

IDEFENSE is a web security company that monitors intelligence from the middle east conflicts and focuses on cyber threats among other things.

It is also heavily populated with long serving ex military intelligence officials.
The Director of Threat intelligence, Jim Melnick, served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and worked in psychological operations. From the IDEFENSE website:

Prior to joining iDefense, Mr. Melnick served with distinction for more than 16 years in the U.S. Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency. During this period, Mr. Melnick served in a variety of roles, including psychological operations, international warning issues with emphasis on foreign affairs and information operations and Russian affairs. He also served in active political/military intelligence roles with an emphasis on foreign affairs. Mr. Melnick is currently a U.S. Army Reserve Colonel with Military Intelligence, assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Melnick has been published in numerous military and foreign affairs journals, and has received numerous military and DIA awards. Mr. Melnick has a Master of Arts in National Security and Strategic Studies from the U.S. Naval War College, a Master of Arts in Russian studies from Harvard University, and a Bachelor of Arts with Honors in Political Science from Westminster College.

So here we have a company that by it's own admission has a senior military psy-op intelligence officer who has worked directly for Donald Rumsfeld. As Intelcenter and Ben Venzke are directly connected to IDEFENSE, this puts Rumsfeld 3 small steps away from the Al Qaeda propaganda videos.

Al Qaeda Tapes: Direct Link To Military Psyops And Donald Rumsfeld

Quote, "CIA: Osama Helped Bush in '04
By Robert Parry
July 4, 2006

On Oct. 29, 2004, just four days before the U.S. presidential election, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin-Laden released a videotape denouncing George W. Bush. Some Bush supporters quickly spun the diatribe as "Osama's endorsement of John Kerry." But behind the walls of the CIA, analysts had concluded the opposite: that bin-Laden was trying to help Bush gain a second term.

According to Suskind's book, CIA analysts had spent years "parsing each expressed word of the al-Qaeda leader and his deputy, [Ayman] Zawahiri. What they'd learned over nearly a decade is that bin-Laden speaks only for strategic reasons. â?¦

"Their [the CIA's] assessments, at day's end, are a distillate of the kind of secret, internal conversations that the American public [was] not sanctioned to hear: strategic analysis. Today's conclusion: bin-Laden's message was clearly designed to assist the President's reelection.
"At the five o'clock meeting, [deputy CIA director] John McLaughlin opened the issue with the consensus view: 'Bin-Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the President.'"

McLaughlin's comment drew nods from CIA officers at the table. Jami Miscik, CIA deputy associate director for intelligence, suggested that the al-Qaeda founder may have come to Bush's aid because bin-Laden felt threatened by the rise in Iraq of Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi; bin-Laden might have thought his leadership would be diminished if Bush lost the White House and their "eye-to-eye struggle" ended.

....the CIA analysts also felt that bin-Laden might have recognized how Bush's policies - including the Guantanamo prison camp, the Abu Ghraib scandal and the endless bloodshed in Iraq - were serving al-Qaeda's strategic goals for recruiting a new generation of jihadists......

.....One immediate consequence of bin-Laden breaking nearly a year of silence to issue the videotape the weekend before the U.S. presidential election was to give the Bush campaign a much needed boost. From a virtual dead heat, Bush opened up a six-point lead, according to one poll........

Consortiumnews.com

The CIA's Jihad
Friday 28th Jun 2002

In April, 1985, more than five years after the Soviet tanks first rolled into Afghanistan, President Ronald Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 166, a secret order that called for the CIA to expel the Russians â??by all means available.â?? Over the next decade, the U.S. spent $10 billion to arm and train the mujaheddin. It was Americaâ??s largest covert operation since the Vietnam era.
current viewpoint


â?¢ 02.10.20. Indonesian Bashir believes USA has invented al-Qaida:
<http://www.gsmpro.com/article/articledt.asp?hArticleId=39>

10/20/2002
«Bashir on Friday accused the United States of inventing both al-Qaida and Jemaah Islamiyah to portray Muslims as terrorists.»

<http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3054299>

«Bashir selv skylder på CIA og USA for å stå bak angrepet mot Bali. Han benekter også at gruppene Jemaah Islamiyah og al-Qaida eksisterer. »

â?¢ Al-qaida did not exist in Afghanistan
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2897137.stm>

Friday, 28 March, 2003
«According to Dadullah, al-Qaeda did not exist in Afghanistan and he said he did not know the fate or whereabouts of Osama bin-Laden. »

â?¢ MOSSAD was caught pretending to be "Al-Qaeda" in Palestine.
<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html>

Anytime you hear the corporate news media mention "Al-Qaeda" it is just like in Orwell's "1984" when the telescreens would have their "Two Minutes Hate" and the sheeple would be programmed to be afraid of "Emmanuel Goldstein." A manufactured fake enemy, designed by the warmongering fanatics, to raise public fear and support for more wars to the necessary pitch.

Christ, say something other than pasting from other sources, its embarrassing.

Afghan Taliban Camps Were Built by NATO

The New York Times August 24, 1998
By TIM WEINER - WASHINGTON

The Afghan resistance was backed by the intelligence services of the United States and Saudi Arabia with nearly $6 billion worth of weapons. And the territory targeted last week, a set of six encampments around Khost, where the Saudi exile Osama bin Laden has financed a kind of "terrorist university," in the words of a senior United States intelligence official, is well known to the Central Intelligence Agency.
The C.I.A.'s military and financial support for the Afghan rebels indirectly helped build the camps that the United States attacked. And some of the same warriors who fought the Soviets with the C.I.A.'s help are now fighting under Mr. bin Laden's banner.

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Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

Documents Detail Years of Pakistani Support for Taliban, ExtremistsObtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, the documents reflect U.S. apprehension about Islamabad's longstanding provision of direct aid and military support to the Taliban, including the use of Pakistani troops to train and fight alongside the Taliban inside Afghanistan.

Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban

by Phil Gasper

International Socialist Review, November-December 2001

The Soviet occupation, which lasted from 1979 to 1989,
The Bush administration claims to be targeting Osama bin Laden, who it says masterminded the September 11 terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (even though it has offered no concrete evidence to back up this accusation), and Afghanistan's Taliban government, which is sheltering him. But as the Economist magazine noted soon after September 11, " [U.S.] policies in Afghanistan a decade and more ago helped to create both Osama bin Laden and the fundamentalist Taliban regime that shelters him."

Three weeks after Soviet tanks rolled into Kabul, Carter's secretary of defense, Harold Brown, was in Beijing arranging for a weapons transfer from the Chinese to the ClA-backed Afghani troops mustered in Pakistan. The Chinese, who were generously compensated for the deal, agreed and even consented to send military advisers.
The CIA became the grand coordinator: purchasing or arranging the manufacture of Soviet-style weapons from Egypt, China, Poland, Israel and elsewhere, or supplying their own; arranging for military training by Americans, Egyptians, Chinese and Iranians;
Beginning in 1985, the CIA supplied mujahideen rebels with extensive satellite reconnaissance data of Soviet targets on the Afghan battlefield, plans for military operations based on the satellite intelligence, intercepts of Soviet communications, secret communications networks for the rebels, delayed timing devices for tons of C-4 plastic explosives for urban sabotage, and sophisticated guerrilla attacks, long-range sniper rifles, a targeting device for mortars that was linked to a U.S. Navy satellite, wire-guided anti-tank missiles, and other equipment.

Between 1986 and 1989, the mujahideen were also provided with more than 1,000 state-of-the-art, shoulder-fired Stinger antiaircraft missiles.

By 1987, the annual supply of arms had reached 65,000 tons, and a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon officials were
Between 1982 and 1992, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries in the Middle East, North and East Africa, Central Asia and the Far East would pass their baptism under fire with the Afghan mujahideen

One of the first non-Afghan volunteers to join the ranks of the mujahideen was Osama bin Laden, a civil engineer and businessman from a wealthy construction family in Saudi Arabia, with close ties to members of the Saudi royal family. Bin Laden recruited 4,000 volunteers from his own country and developed close relations with the most radical mujahideen leaders. He also worked closely with the CIA, raising money from private Saudi citizens. By 1984, he was running the Maktab al-Khidamar, an organization set up by the ISI to funnel "money, arms, and fighters from the outside world in the Afghan war."

Since September 11, CIA officials have been claiming they had no direct link to bin Laden. These denials lack credibility. Earlier this year, the trial of defendants accused of the 1998 U.S. embassy bombing in Kenya disclosed that the CIA shipped high-powered sniper rifles directly to bin Laden's operation in 1989. Even the Tennessee-based manufacturer of the rifles confirmed this. According to the Boston Globe,


Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban

FT.com / Asia-Pacific / Afghanistan - US funds madrassas in Afghanistan

CIA worked with Pakistan to create Taliban"

LONDON: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the "monster" that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here.

Harrison said: "The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan." The US provided $3 billion for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan's demand that they should decide how this money should be spent, Harrison said.
Harrison, who spoke before the Taliban assault on the Buddha statues was launched, told the gathering of security experts that he had meetings with CIA leaders at the time when Islamic forces were being strengthened in Afghanistan. "They told me these people were fanatical, and the more fierce they were the more fiercely they would fight the Soviets," he said. "I warned them that we were creating a monster."

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/docs/pak.htm

Who is behind the terrorism?

The caretaker interior minister, Lieutenant General (Retd) Hamid Nawaz Khan, has done the predictable thing that he learned in PMA by saying on Saturday that India, Afghanistan and the United States had a hand in the terrorism in Pakistan. He admitted he had no proof of this involvement but that â??peopleâ?� had this perception. His â??rationalâ?� explanation did not go further than the â??circumstantial evidenceâ?� that the Taliban-Al Qaeda offensive in Afghanistan had gone down in the same measure as incidents of terrorism had gone up in Pakistan. He said suicide-bombings and other acts of organised violence needed big funding and this could come only from states unfriendly towards Pakistan.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan