What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
All examples taken from her introduction to the nation tonight during her fantastic speech. I know, it may be hard to swallow for the devout cult followers of Obama. Too bad! As Gulliani said, Obama is the least experienced candidate in at least 100 years!:thumbsup:
So let's review.
1. governor of the great state of Alaska,
2. mayor of my hometown.
3. actual responsibilities. So you mean she couldn't just be "present" and still be considered doing her job. You mean she was accountable for what happened and did not have the luxury of being 1 of 100 people that "worked" on stuff! Oh!
You could stop right there as for experience, and argueably she has more executive experience than Obama or Biden for that matter. But let's go on.
4. I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good ol' boys network.
5.
I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.
Again, she was actually responsible for specific legislation with regard to this subject, NOT 1 OF 100 THAT VOTED YEA OR NAY! AND THEN CLAIMED ALL THE CREDIT! I believe this is called "governing".
6. by request if possible and by veto if necessary.
She has actually used the power of the veto whilst governing, and understands how to use it to get results!
7.
Our state budget is under control.
We have a surplus.
(Has Obama even run a small business? Let alone a city, or state, let alone budget any of them, and do it successfully? Um, no.)
8.And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.
9. I suspended the state fuel tax,
10. and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.
11. I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.
12.
And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.
As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.
13.
I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.
And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.
14. we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.
And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.
Wow, guess there is a reason she is the most popular sitting govenor in the U.S. today. This is just the short list, and by the way, she is just the VP on the ticket, IMHO, her experience and accomplishments make Obama's pale in comparisson, and make it laughable that he is even running for president. I invite anyone to post a list of Obama's accomplishments and experience that qualify him for even a VP position, let alone the presidency. LMFAO ALL DAY LONG!!!:D
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
I support him more for his policies, priorities, plans and judgement than his experience.
I have some misgivings about his short elected experience too. But as I said in a different thread, I think people are going to look past this experience problem soon, especially once we get into the debates.
As for Obama's experience, I think everyone knows about the basic history: community organizer, Illinois State Senate for 8 years, US Senate for 4 years.
His time in the Illinois State Senate included work on the state Earned Income Tax Credit and expansion of early childhood education.
His time in the US Senate included work with Tom Coburn to allow you to go online and see how and where your tax money is spent. He has worked on ethics reform. He is working with Dick Lugar on nuclear non-proliferation and securing Russian nukes. He is working to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards for cars.
Obama is 26 years younger than McCain, so he doesn't have the same record, but personally, I agree with his platform, and that's why I am going to vote for Obama.
So basically, anyone that is elected to the senate is qualified based on the fact that they are in the senate as 1 of 100 senators, "working on stuff"
. You say he doesn't have the "same record", but actually, it would be more accurate to say that "he doesn't have much of any record period."
So that's it. I respect the fact that you are at least honest.:) But the accomplishments/experience/record you have put forth for Obama, hardly even stacks up to what the VP for the GOP ticket has done. That was the point of this thread.
Again, Palin, the VPs quick, short list of accomplishments/experience:
So let's review.
1. governor of the great state of Alaska,
2. mayor of my hometown.
3. actual responsibilities. So you mean she couldn't just be "present" and still be considered doing her job. You mean she was accountable for what happened and did not have the luxury of being 1 of 100 people that "worked" on stuff! Oh!
You could stop right there as for experience, and argueably she has more executive experience than Obama or Biden for that matter. But let's go on.
4. I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good ol' boys network.
5.
I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.
Again, she was actually responsible for specific legislation with regard to this subject, NOT 1 OF 100 THAT VOTED YEA OR NAY! AND THEN CLAIMED ALL THE CREDIT! I believe this is called "governing".
6. by request if possible and by veto if necessary.
She has actually used the power of the veto whilst governing, and understands how to use it to get results!
7.
Our state budget is under control.
We have a surplus.
(Has Obama even run a small business? Let alone a city, or state, let alone budget any of them, and do it successfully? Um, no.)
8.And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.
9. I suspended the state fuel tax,
10. and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.
11. I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.
12.
And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.
As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.
13.
I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.
And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.
14. we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.
And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.
And Obama the democrats Presidential Nominee:
1.community organizer, Illinois State Senate for 8 years, US Senate for 4 years
2.work on the state Earned Income Tax Credit and expansion of early childhood education.
3.work with Tom Coburn to allow you to go online and see how and where your tax money is spent.
4.worked on ethics reform.
5.working with Dick Lugar on nuclear non-proliferation and securing Russian nukes.
6.working to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards for cars.
I ask again, who exaclty should we be questioning on the issue of experience/accomplishments/record? :wtf:
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
Oh yeah, I forgot that he has been campaigning for the office of the president of the US too! :D
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
[quote=dragonrider]This is probably not the place to get into the evolution debate. But....
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I think maybe you are talking about "Intelligent Design." The term "Creationism" is generally used to describe the belief that the Bible creation story is literlally true in every detail --- universe is 6000 years old, Adam and Eve, all animals and plants created in exactly the form they have today.
No I'm talking about creationism. As a matter of fact I linked earlier to a table that showed the different types of creationism. There is not just 1 sect. Intelligent design is a form of creationism.
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"Intelligent Design" is the idea that life has changed over time, but that it is guided by an "Intelligent Designer" who is generally taken to be God. The argument for it is usually that life is too complex to have evolved through purely physical phenomena.
Yes, I'm aware, but thank you?
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There are infinite varieties of beliefs all along this spectrum.
The reason these ideas are not considered theories for scientific purposes is that they do not propose any method of testing, which is required in order to be a hypothesis or a theory. In addition, pure creationism is actually shown to be inconsistent with many known facts, so it's never going to be a theory --- plain and simple.
I've said I personally don't believe in creationism. I'm much to logical for that, but you deny the possibility because of the only thing that is really instilled in us from the start of school is evolution. It's easy to say "this is the way it is and that's all there is to it" but it takes something more to acknowledge the possibility. You're closing up and denying that it's even possible. Science can't disprove god, Until Science can then you really can't disprove creationism.
Do you understand what I'm saying? Again keep in mind I don't even truely believe in god, but I'm open minded to all things yet reasonable. I don't believe in creationism but I'm willing to listen and not judge.
Besides, the last I checked being a Science guru wasn't a necessary qualification for the VP spot.
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The Big Bang theory is tested through astronimical observation that shows the universe is expanding. It is also tested through quantum physics experiments that attempt to recreate conditions similar to the earliest moments of time. It contimues to be tested and refined.
There is much agreement that the universe is expanding however there is nothing to prove that the universe collapsed on itself and then re-expanded as the big bang theory, in summary, basically states.
I do believe in the big bang theory but fact remains that it is not proven.
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Wormholes are a theory that grows out of purely theoretical physics --- mathematical extrapolation, like General Relativity and things like Black Holes. These kinds of theories are much harder to test, but like General Relativity and Black Holes, the theories do make predictions about what we should be able to observe if the theories are true. And eventually that is either born out or not. In the case of General Relativity and Black Holes, the astronomical predictions were later observed and they are considered well-founded theories now. I don't know what observations are predicted for Wormholes.
but one has not been witnessed or proven to exist.. I believe in wormholes but fact remains is that it is not proven.
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The Dark Matter theory is tested through astronimical observation that shows large anmounts of gravity that cannot be accounted for by things we can observe. We know the gravitaional effect is there, but do not claim to know specifically what it is. This is another area pursued through both astronomy and quantum physcal experiments.
Actually there are theories about dark matter that it doesn't actually exist but rather there is additional molecular weight that is not being accounted for. I forgot the details of it, I need to find the name of the scientist I saw in that interview on PBS and look up more of his work; however there are various theories about dark matter.
Again it has not been proven to be fact... I don't necessarily believe in dark matter but I believe there is something there that we haven't found yet that attributes to our belief in dark matter.
Again, this is not fact.. can't be proven.
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Cold Fusion is not a theory. It is a physical application. Actually cold fusion has never been demonstrated as far as I know.
It has been demonstrated but the results have been varied and difficult to reproduce. They need Helium-3 which does not occur naturally on earth. It is suspected that there is a large abundance of Helium-3 available on the moon. This is one reason many scientists wish to return to the moon.
The purpose of searching is that there IS hope of finding answeres.
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Many scientists, including evolution scientists, believe in God. There is nothing wrong with that or the idea that Goid initiated creation. However, scientists belive there are physical mechanisms to everything that can be observed and explained. Beliefs that rely on supernatural forces as the actual MECHANISM are not scientifc, unless they can propose theories for the supernatural being or force, in which case it's no longer supernatural, and it's back to science and not faith anymore.
That's the point, they are trying to prove, through science that there was a designer. This has only been a truely active field for the last 30 years. Science has had since the beginning of time.
Am I crazy for believing in things that are not proven as fact?
edit: Just out of curiousity dragonrider, do you believe in god?
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
I guess you want to talk about it here, not in the other post, Kush.
P4B, maybe just merge your thread on Obama into this one on Palin, because I guess this is where it is happening.
Here is my WHOLE post from the other thread, not just the parts you sampled, Kush:
I support Obama more for his policies, priorities, plans and judgement than his experience.
I have some misgivings about his short elected experience too. But as I said in a different thread, I think people are going to look past this experience problem soon, especially once we get into the debates.
It's obvious that Obama does not have the length of experience that McCain has. Experience is valuable, but what EXACTLY is the value of experience? The value of experience is that it gives you judgement. Experience teaches you about issues, how to react to situations, and helps you make good decisions. Some people have that kind of good judgement with only a little experience, while some people who have a lifetime of experience never develop good judgement. I think Obama has good judgement and a good understanding of the issues despite having fewer years than McCain.
Maybe that's the same kind of thinking McCain used to pick Palin despite her lack of experience --- maybe he thought that she had good judgement, or maybe it was something else. Whatever it was, he thought she had something that made her worthy of being president despite her lack of expereice, although I can't really figure it out. Or maybe McCain has bad judgement despite his many years of expereince and picked her for a bad reason.
As for Obama's experience, I think everyone knows about the basic history: community organizer, Illinois State Senate for 8 years, US Senate for 4 years.
His time in the Illinois State Senate included work on the state Earned Income Tax Credit and expansion of early childhood education.
His time in the US Senate included work with Tom Coburn to allow you to go online and see how and where your tax money is spent. He has worked on ethics reform. He is working with Dick Lugar on nuclear non-proliferation and securing Russian nukes. He is working to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards for cars.
Obama is 26 years younger than McCain, so he doesn't have the same record, but personally, I agree with his platform, and that's why I am going to vote for Obama.
If he can have good command of issues in the debates and show that he has good policies and good judgement, people will come around to that. If not, then he won't win.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
Thanks, I was just trying to cut through the blahbity blah and get to the actual items of accomplishments/experience/record. To me the rest of the post was just a way of justifying or prefacing your post by saying, "before I give you some examples, I just want to state in advance I realize he has no record to speak of!"
That's the way I took it.
This is no dig at you at all. I applaud the fact that you made an effort, it just so happens you don't have anything to work with.:D
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There is much agreement that the universe is expanding however there is nothing to prove that the universe collapsed on itself and then re-expanded as the big bang theory, in summary, basically states.
Although there is absolutely not any form of proof... but I think there is an understanding of how that could potentially happen. Not sure of the official term but I believe it is the Big Bang/Big Crunch theory. At the origin point of infinite matter imploding on itself... intense heat... causing expansion. As the universe expands and the distance increases... heat will decrease. Eventually this loss of heat will "freeze" all matter in the Universe... causing it to contract... thus condensing down onto itself. Friction increases and causes heat... implosion... Universe expansion. A continuous cycle of Big Bang and then Big Crunch. Potentially supporting the idea transfer of energy through matter and the religious belief of reincarnation.
P.S. Now that I think of it... I have no idea where I learned that. Maybe a dream? :hippy:
Sorry... just wanted to interject that :stoned: Feel free to discuss the actual point of this thread, which is the experience of Gov. Palin. Hahaha no idea how this got brought up.
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Daihashi, I'm sure you saw Delta9's post:
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Please - lets not have another Creationism/ID debate... :wtf:
Must .... resist... posting
The reason he said that was that last year he, and I, and a bunch of other members got sucked into a multi-thread debate on ID, Evolution and Creationism. It seemed to last for weeks and involved hundreds of incredibly lengthy tit-for-tat posts. It was epic! Threads were closed! People got banned! Awesome!
I really regret getting pulled into another debate on that tiopic in this political thread, and I'm dropping it now. I think I said enough above. If you REALLY want to know what I think on this, dig around for some of those other threads --- I definetely said everything I had to say on this topic multiple times over at that time.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
I won't quilify the "Experince" thing (I feel like we are beating a dead horse on this) but I did run across this....And it has been "Snoped"
A note to all by Anne Kilkenny
Dear friends,
So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .
Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
common: their gender and their good looks. :)
You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .
Thanks,
Anne
[ Note by web_admin: This was already posted on Washington Independent
comments area and was meant by the author to be read by many, but
readers need sourcing. The NY Times has talked with Anne since. ]
ABOUT SARAH PALIN
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she??s like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a "babe".
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months.
She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby.
There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin??s kind of job is highly
sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
like that of native Alaskans.
Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She's smart.
Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.
During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a ??fiscal conservative?. During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren??t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn??t even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's
surplus, borrow for needs.
She??s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren??t generated by
her or her staff. Ideas weren??t evaluated on their merits, but on the
basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's
attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the ??old boy??s club? when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power
to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State??s top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla??s Police Chief because he ??intimidated?
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that
an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
her support.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn??t
like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
gutsy fighter against the ??old boys?? club? when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man??s ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the ??bridge to
nowhere? after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.
As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as ??anti-pork?.
She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
They call her ??Sarah Barracuda? because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's
mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as ??AGIA? that forced the oil companies to march
to the beat of her drum.
Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
global warming. She campaigned ??as a private citizen? against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State??s
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior??s decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President.
There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.
However, there??s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.
CLAIM VS FACT
???Hockey mom?: true for a few years
???PTA mom?: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
???NRA supporter?: absolutely true
?social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
?pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
???Pro-life?: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down??s syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
???Experienced?: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
?political maverick: not at all
?gutsy: absolutely!
?open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
?has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
??a Greenie?: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
?fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
?pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
?pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
?pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla??s history.
?pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn??t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny +
Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local
government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because
few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out
of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no
fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
cost me somehow in the future: that??s life.
Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
attempt at censorship.
Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.
You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The
day Palin??s selection was announced a city official told me that the
current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90??s.
Anne Kilkenny
August 31, 2008
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by TheMetal1
Although there is absolutely not any form of proof... but I think there is an understanding of how that could potentially happen. Not sure of the official term but I believe it is the Big Bang/Big Crunch theory. At the origin point of infinite matter imploding on itself... intense heat... causing expansion. As the universe expands and the distance increases... heat will decrease. Eventually this loss of heat will "freeze" all matter in the Universe... causing it to contract... thus condensing down onto itself. Friction increases and causes heat... implosion... Universe expansion. A continuous cycle of Big Bang and then Big Crunch. Potentially supporting the idea transfer of energy through matter and the religious belief of reincarnation.
P.S. Now that I think of it... I have no idea where I learned that. Maybe a dream? :hippy:
Sorry... just wanted to interject that :stoned: Feel free to discuss the actual point of this thread, which is the experience of Gov. Palin. Hahaha no idea how this got brought up.
dude.. I want what you're smoking.. no sarcasm or anything, it seems to have you going into some pretty good deep thought. What strain or did you even smoke?
I only ask because that idea in some twisted way makes some sense philosophically, and all the best philosophical ideas seem to come to me when I'm stoned :stoned:
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by The Figment
CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.
Maybe she should have put this "caveat" at the start of the letter. I won't dismiss this out of hand, but is it possible to get any other source than this lady? The lady that admits, she can't verify any of the "numbers" that she specifically makes mention of? :wtf:
And one thing that is striking, despite all the horrible bad things that she claims about Palin, apparently everyone in Alaska, and that city is completely un-aware of all of this, given that she WASN'T re-called, and she WON the Gov. seat, and is currently the most popular sitting govenor in the U.S. with an approval rating over 80%. So this is either the smartest, on the cutting edge of information lady in Alaska, or most of the people there are incredibly stupid.:wtf:
My guess, this lady weighs in at about 300lbs. and has a deep seeded hatred for Palin. Just a guess though. The points in Palin's speech can be verified rather easily, can the points this lady is making?:wtf:
