Who here likes Ron Paul?

Boy, I stirred the hornet's nest a little, right? Well, let me see if I can respond to each of you.

Blackhole, you'll be first.

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Isloationist? that is quite a judgement you have there..

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Nope, I've heard Paul say it HIMSELF at a speech at some liberal college in CA., maybe BEREKLEY (sic), which is also on you tube. I'm not looking for it, so anyone who wants can find it and see what I mean.

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you must be like everyone else voting for rich evil bastards who want to police the globe... ?

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Nope, not at all. I don't think there is candidate out there worth a Tinker's damn, to be honest with you. They will ALL lie, cheat, steal, and take a shady deal, if lucrative enough for themselves. Police the GLOBE? Someones GOT TO. Yep, if the United States didn't police the globe, then who would YOU rather police the globe? Russia? Yea, old Putin is resorting back to the old Soviet line of thinking - great choice there. China? They're like Russia; you know, big enough and strong enough. Maybe them? How about France, who, without OUR HELP, would now be a state of Germany, and, as per se, speaking German as I type this. Well, maybe India. They have nukes. They could thr4aten everyone to be good or be nuked. Ask Pakistan about that one.

Yep, WE, the UNITED STATES of America, while we DO have our own major problems, also must help others who have major problems of their own. It has happened since day one in the warfare scenario, someone has always helped someone else, when in a bind. Ask France about the U.S. and France during the Revolutionary War. Could Washington have won the war without their help? Hmmm......

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which is UNMANGEABLE we have to fix our own country, so that our own nation and other nations will RESPECT us. we have murdered almost 700,000 Iraqis do u care about those inisint YOUNG iraqis and 4000 US troops. not to mention it costs us TRILLIONS to run this greedy war Have we accomplished anything??

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Yep, we DO need to fix our country. We have plenty wrong, and one being the "unmaginable" war on drugs, which is bullshit to begin with. Ain't NEVER gonna be won. Period.

And let me get this straight. You are saying our troops "MURDERED" 700 grand worth of Iraqis? Firstly, might I ask, where in hell do you get THAT figure? Man, you must be getting numbers from Harry Reid...but that's another idiot's story. And secondly, which SHOULD HAVE BEEN firstly, why in the hell are you calling MY TWO SONS murderers. They have each both proudly served their country in THREE DEPLOYMENTS to Iraq. They have NEVER killed anyone who wasn't trying to kill them FIRST. I am highly offended by your immature and totally ignorant views so far. Guess, like I said above, you have made very little progress in the "research" arena. I'll go on...

There are unintended casualties in EVERY WAR, since the beginning of warfare. Nothing, no matter HOW MANY smart bombs or high tech weaponry you have, is gonna stop that. It is tyragic and sad - hell yes I care about the Iraqis, or I wouldn't support their liberation. While it is tragic innocents sometimes do die, more "innocents" are killed every day by their OWN COUNTRYMEN, HERE in the United States, than the entire weekly casualty rate in Iraq. Check your figures, son. Oh, and the surge IS WORKING, FYI.
Attacks on U.S. troops are down over 75 perecent across the board, across the country. Nuff said...

What you fail to understand is this war has NO FRONT LINES. It is a guerilla war. Many, many fronts does the war have. One is Afdghanistan/Pakistan. Another is Iraq, where, if you have even studied a little, the largest liberal publication, the N.Y. Times, stated the surge is working, attacks are down, and have finally put in print the fact that Al Queda is in Iraq, as well as most other countrys on your "globe." Even Al Queda admits to the attacks, the recruitments, and gets lots of publicity for this. Where were you when THAT memo went out?

And no, I don't care about the troops. Good grief, statements like that defy logic. Yea, I hate 'em. My sons are two of them. I was one of them. My dad, his dad, and his dad, and HIS dad, were also ones. You know, those "murderers" who served their country in the military. Those guys, you know? It ceases to amaze me how uninformed MOST American citizens are.

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not to mention it costs us TRILLIONS to run this greedy war Have we accomplished anything???? NO we havent so get us the fuck back home.. and protect us while u still can...

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So making the future of our children SAFE (or in my case, my grandchildren), so THEY won't have to refight this same war on terror in the future, isn't worth ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY WE SPEND, NO MATTER WHO HAS TO PAY IT, to see your children live in a peaceful world. And then, we've freed two countries from tyrannical rule, and are on our way to stabilization OF THOSE COUNTRYS. (check the history book, fellas, it took US over TEN YEARS to get ourselves together as a viable country). Ah, people so soon forget...

Sure, bring all the troops home. Run and get within our borders, and put 'em all on the borders. Have them strung out the entire length. Then, let 'em get Chicago next. Or maybe YOUR town. Huh?

Don't you think it is a GREAT IDEA to have the terrorists engaged OVERSEAS rather then New Orleans of Los Angeles? Do you ever worry about your childrens future? Hmmm....

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i will be tempted to leave the country for a while if ron paul looses...

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JC, ROFLMAO....

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THE MAIN reason ron paul has a chance against these money hungry people is the US troops who lost thier friends and KNOW FROM BEING ON THE GROUND THIER that these Iraqs fight more deadly than any george bush monkey could understand.

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This has got to be one of the most - geez, the statement defies words, ROFLMAO...Means is doesn't even rate an answer...Good grief...

Or are you saying our troops can't accomplish their mission. I'd LOVE to know.

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they said 6days, 6weeks mabye 6 more.. DONT U understand what the people of this nation truly are crying out for change.

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Yep.. but definitely NOT Ron Paul.

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Blackhole -

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u also have a the word PEACE is big letters on ur sig..but u think we should kill kill kill right?

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Oh, YEA, man, that's the thing to do, hey, just kill 'em all let God sort 'em out, ya know? SUUUUURRREEEEE< I wanna kill kill kill... Good grief, yet ANOTHER alleged statement putting words in my mouth. I got quite a chuckle out of that one...

Esaron -

1. Great!

2. Not just talkin' about weed. Also was asking, WHY WOULD you vote for Paul if not for Cannabis legalization?

3. Good. But I'm not talking about a lot of book knowledge. I'm talking EXPERIENCE.

4. Trust me young 'un, when you get to be as old as I am, then YOU'LL be doing EXACTLY what I do. You'll see...

About the uneducated stoner bit you used several times - uh, I'm just a regular Joe who smokes his weed and does the best he can, and treat people as I want to be treated. Show me where I said anything close to being non-bullshit on anything I've said. Geez...

The prez can do lots of shit, but Congress is where it's at. And to think they have an even LOWER poll number than the President.

Oh, and about the part where nothing would ever have been done in this country. Hell, not much IS getting done in this country today. THAT'S the problem!

Sorry, I just can't see Ron Paul as getting anywhere, period. He won't get the nomination, and even if some wild-eyed group were to wage war of write-ins, he wouldn't get a drop in the bucket compared to the ones who'll WIN the nimination. Americans are sometimes afraid of change. Sadly, change has already been deemed a neccessity in this world already. And it sure as hell was'nt our fault.

I'm not being judgemental at all, just calling 'em like I see 'em. Kinda like the old time newspaper man.

The second post doesn't even warrent a reply. Let me just say that some will never cease to amaze me.

Silkyblue -

I'm gonna skip your post, as I am having trouble understanding it.

bestbet -

Glad you made it out of college alive. I almost didn't.

We have an ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY at this time. If they join after they exit high school, or whenever, matters not. If you join the military you had damned BE SURE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Have all the facts, do the research. It ain't for everyone. But one thing's for sure. I'd much rather fight 'em lver there than fight 'em over here. WE are in a war. This ain't nursery school.

And bubba, no one said anything about anyone being a stoned slacker, or anything else even closely resembling that remark. 'Tis slightly immature, in my book, of you even mentioning or even entering such a petty arguement. Hmmm...

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Originally Posted by Old Stoner

bestbet -

Glad you made it out of college alive. I almost didn't.

We have an ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY at this time. If they join after they exit high school, or whenever, matters not. If you join the military you had damned BE SURE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Have all the facts, do the research. It ain't for everyone. But one thing's for sure. I'd much rather fight 'em lver there than fight 'em over here. WE are in a war. This ain't nursery school.

And bubba, no one said anything about anyone being a stoned slacker, or anything else even closely resembling that remark. 'Tis slightly immature, in my book, of you even mentioning or even entering such a petty arguement. Hmmm...

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Do you know than Osama Bin Laden said he is glad the US is in Iraq cause this way he can have both the Shiites and Sunnis unite and fight against America, and the longer the US is in Iraq the easier it is for him to do this

I believe that ron pauls benefits far outweigh his negatives.

This guy wants change, and for those who support the other candidates
might aswell stick their campaign signs up their asses due to the fact if someone
else becomes president were fucked.

Obama, Hilary, and the others want us to stay in iraq.

Who cares about the privatization of the government, were gaining privatization ourselfs
if this man becomes president, so stfu!

Im sry to offend but this may be the only chance we have left.

The guy does plan on legalization, but thats from the importance.

If this guy does not become president, im out of this country within the next few
yrs.

Vote for ron paul! and win a free america!

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Originally Posted by Old Stoner

First question - would ANY of you who said you would vote for Ron Paul do so if he were ANTI-MARIJUANA?

Second question - Why?

Third question - What are your ages - the ones who want to vote for Ron Paul, and...

Fourth question - Are you registered to vote?

Now my take on this entire legalization issue.

Some of you fail to realize that Ron Paul, or ANY OTHER PERSON ELECTED PRESIDENT (not yelling, just EMPHASIZING!) - Well, whomever is elected president CAN NOT legalize Cannabis. Due to the fact in the next paragraph.

There is this little thing called the Legeslative Branch of our government to contend with. The United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives. THEY make the laws. NOT the president. These people are the ones you folks need to be a little more concerned over.

Get rid of the old farts, and bring in some new blood. Ted Kennedy is 188 years old. How in the world do we keep electing people who can't even say Barack Obama correctly? (Kennedy called him "Osama" Obama by "misspeak" awhile ago. Geez...

Sure, the president has the right to veto, but in actuality, he has little to say about the legalization of anything.

I read this entire thread, and it seems to me that, and NO offense to anyone, that many of you are very young and have not researched the candidates as well as you should have.

Remember, voting is a PRIVILEGE. YOU are the one who says who's in and who's out. I urge each of you to vote with intelligence after MUCH research.

Personally, on the question of the thread - no, I will not vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul wants to bring our troops on and quit the fight against terror - apparently he'd rather do it on the streets of New York. Hmmmm... kinda isolationist, don't ya think?

Matter of fact, it looks like we have very slim pickings again this year on ANY KIND of decent candidate.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see if those guys in Florida can figure out the ballots. ;)

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Wow dude were not fighting terroism, notice something everything everyone asks are totally opposite of what
he believes? Why......odd.

Watch the documentary called Why We Fight.

There was never wmds, conspiracies, or any of the bullshit.

Just corrupt politicians who make wrong decisions, 9/11 was caused by what we was doing in the irag/iran, kuwait, and gulf war.

The military-industrial complex, thinks tanks, and bastards.

It comes down to business, and by business i mean economy, military, and corporate shit.

Watch the documentery why we fight!

9/11 wasn't a inside job, but we asked for it.

Its called karma.

Man this shit really fucking pisses me off, when alot of people are misinformed but thats okay though i can deal with that.

And if don't believe what im saying.

What Actually Led To 9/11 - Most Americans Simply Don't Know The Factts

Saddam Did 9/11 -- One-Third of Americans Believe the Big Lie | Center for Media and Democracy

Its all history, and even media tell ron paul "history doesn't matter"

If this guy doesn't become president, im leaving this country for the idiot's that ruined it.

stoner, seeing as how youre entire family seems like its been military, i can hardly expect a different response. however, its different today than it was when you were there. you may think you get accurate info just because "your sons" are in it, but it appears you are not. have you ever heard of blackwater? im sure you have, if you read the ny times. why dont you go ahead and explain to me why were using them. go ahead and try to give me a reasonable answer that doesnt point to a government spiraling towards oppression and corruption.

U: Show me where I said anything close to being non-bullshit on anything I've said. Geez...
U earlier: I read this entire thread, and it seems to me that, and NO offense to anyone, that many of you are very young and have not researched the candidates as well as you should have.
Remember, voting is a PRIVILEGE. YOU are the one who says who's in and who's out. I urge each of you to vote with intelligence after MUCH research.


ok... so you call us very young, and imply we are unintelligent and have not done any research. You think saying "NO offense" is going to make that ok?

U: So making the future of our children SAFE (or in my case, my grandchildren), so THEY won't have to refight this same war on terror in the future, isn't worth ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY WE SPEND, NO MATTER WHO HAS TO PAY IT, to see your children live in a peaceful world. And then, we've freed two countries from tyrannical rule, and are on our way to stabilization OF THOSE COUNTRYS.

wow... what weird logic... lets keep a war going for longer than ever before, accomplish nothing, and assume that in the end it will "save our children". refight this same war? they wont? oh i get it, thats cuz theyll still be fighting the same one. if you want your children to live in a peaceful world, dont send them to the military like dad, and dont continue to fight this war... its not our job to stabilize those countries... its their job. just like it wasnt our job to come in and "save" them.


U: Oh, and about the part where nothing would ever have been done in this country. Hell, not much IS getting done in this country today. THAT'S the problem!

There's plenty gettin done... its just either a change in the wrong direction or a slight change in other areas that we havent talked about much... like energy and fuel economy standards.

U: Sorry, I just can't see Ron Paul as getting anywhere, period. He won't get the nomination, and even if some wild-eyed group were to wage war of write-ins, he wouldn't get a drop in the bucket compared to the ones who'll WIN the nimination. Americans are sometimes afraid of change. Sadly, change has already been deemed a neccessity in this world already. And it sure as hell was'nt our fault.


I agree with you. he wont get the nomination, but that doesnt mean he shouldnt. if youre such a fan of change, then whats wrong with RP? dont like the changes he wants to make? I sure as hell do. and the only reason he WONT get the nomination is because people who could make a difference decide its not worth it because hes "not going to win"



Im starting to stop caring about this... ive learned from experience that after youve gone through the military's shit you dont ever really think the same. You can vote how you want, so can we. My point was... dont accuse us of being uninformed of the issues and dont imply that we arent intelligent. you wanna know other reasons why i like RP? go look at his website (ronpaul2008.com i think) and look under the issues tab. I agree with EVERYTHING THERE except for his private property solution to pollution... tahts a little stupid imho.

just fucking wait until everyone hates us.

people who think like you will lead to the fall of the American Empire.
I know were not an empire, but look at ROME see any PARALLELS??? cuz I sure as hell do. history repeats itself, and were right at the climax of a bad rerun.