Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid

If you must have a yes "are" no answer... than the answer is a LOUD RESOUNDING NO.

Edit: You corrected that.

Your question asked if we will "hand our lives over to god." No I will not.

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

I seem to have jumped the gun in agreeing with SD, here.

Upon further research, I have come to the conclusion that Fallens questioning of the actual existence of Jesus is not ignorant in the least. It is an uncommon view, even amongst scholars, however there are reasonable reasons as to why some believe he was nothing more than a mythical creation.

Here is one interesting fact I found.

Only one out about forty Roman Historians in the 1st and 2nd century CE mentioned Jesus.

With this and other information I have found, there is reasonable cause to question the existence of Jesus.

Fallen, I apologize.

SD I feel you need to retract your comment regarding Fallen being ignorant.

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to this I must request you look at all post by fallen and you will soon see he just likes to play devils advocate and insult for the most part.
I know that all/most events in the Bible can not be proven and that is why religon calls upon faith which is every persons right to except or reject.
religion is everyones right to have or reject and defend in that manner but this will always cause a heated debate and one should know this before they begin as for retracting calling fallen ignorant I do not retract that because even though he did have some valid points most of his points about 90% were taken out of there original context to support his beliefs. but to each there own and to john kerry i mean jaggededge just because you found a source that makes you change your mind instantaniously and do not stand behind your convictions does not mean I am the same way.

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

well at second thought I guess you did answer the qustion. so I guess you would live your life a lie then, sence you said it was proven to you 100%. Well it is your right to live aganst
the truth.

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What does that even mean? What truth? It was a hypothetical question.

You can't exactly prove anything with a hypothetical question. The bottom line is this, Christianity will never be proven to be 100% correct.

The Bible says to believe with faith so that even if you were able to prove it which I can admit is impossible it would not be believing, although from the otherside of this I can see how this would be such a easy thing for everyone to use against Christians so I'll save you the trouble I know this helps build your case that religion is made up and equivalant to the tinman myth(lol, you love that one) but I do have my faith and that is my right.

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Originally Posted by sd6515

but to each there own and to john kerry i mean jaggededge just because you found a source that makes you change your mind instantaniously and do not stand behind your convictions does not mean I am the same way.

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Hmmm... I will have fun with this one.

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because you found a source that makes you change your mind instantaniously and do not stand behind your convictions does not mean I am the same way.

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This is the huge problem with believers, most of them don't do independent research and look at other possible explanations because they "want to stand behind their convictions." Honestly, when most believers actually start thinking for themselves and doing a little research, they tend to cross over to the dark side. Thats what happened to me. I grew up Catholic, started questioning my faith, researched the subject in great detail, and came to the conclusions I have. Perhaps, you should look at other ideas and open your mind to new possibilities rather than simply being firm in your "convictions."

Secondly, all I did was do a little research on the subject and concluded that Fallen is not ignorant for questioning whether Jesus actually existed. I never once said I agreed with him, I simply conceded it was a reasonable question.

Unlike you, I'm keep my mind open to new ideas and different ways of thinking. It doesn't make me wishy washy, it simply makes me open minded.

Also, why are you so reluctant to show Fallen the sources he has been asking for?

Finally, you have a serious problem with name calling. Calling me John Kerry... you are the one showing ignorance here, not Fallen. For future reference, if that was meant as a joke, use a smiley.

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

if it can be proven to you without a any doubt, that christianty is true, would you fall to your knees and give your life to christ?

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not even then would i praise that cruel master, it would just give me a reason to rail against the universe. to find that there was indeed a god who could have revealed itself and ended so much suffering would only prove to me that this reality is ruled by a being of such callousness that it does not deserve my loyalty nor my adoration. i would gladly join the ranks of the damned and our watchwords would be "better an eternity of torment than service to a tyrant". such a revelation would finally allow me the ultimate act of defiance, i would revel in the bloodshed and destruction it would free me to bring down upon the lambs of that pernicious deity.

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

not even then would i praise that cruel master, it would just give me a reason to rail against the universe. to find that there was indeed a god who could have revealed itself and ended so much suffering would only prove to me that this reality is ruled by a being of such callousness that it does not deserve my loyalty nor my adoration. i would gladly join the ranks of the damned and our watchwords would be "better an eternity of torment than service to a tyrant". such a revelation would finally allow me the ultimate act of defiance, i would revel in the bloodshed and destruction it would free me to bring down upon the lambs of that pernicious deity.

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Very well said, I to would join the ranks of the damned.

I originally had writing in reply to the above: If god revealed himself to me in person, I would likely tell him to f*ck off. I deleted it though out of tact.

Do I have your permission to put that on a bumper sticker?:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Very well said, I to would join the ranks of the damned.

I originally had writing in reply to the above: If god revealed himself to me in person, I would likely tell him to f*ck off. I deleted it though out of tact.

Do I have your permission to put that on a bumper sticker?:thumbsup:

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one of the benefits of being considered completely off my rocker is that i'm free to be as honest as i damn well please.

the worst part of religious hypocrisy is that they are willing to overlook their lords part in our daily atrocities. they blame it on the devil or mankind's perversity or they cloak it with phrases like "mysterious are the ways of the lord". they may even claim that these are tests of some kind, designed to weed out the undeserving. what undeserving; if we are created by this magic man, then it would be his failures we are paying for. the simple truth would seem to be that any caring, omnipotent god would cherish its creations and treat them as its beloved children, not heap abuse and injustice upon them.

thankfully i'm not an overly spiritual sort of guy. if i were i would spend my days bemoaning our apathetic treatment at the hands of this supposedly loving creator.



the bumper sticker should read:
[align=center]better an eternity of torment than one moment's service to a tyrant[/align]

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

one of the benefits of being considered completely off my rocker is that i'm free to be as honest as i damn well please.

the worst part of religious hypocrisy is that they are willing to overlook their lords part in our daily atrocities. they blame it on the devil or mankind's perversity or they cloak it with phrases like "mysterious are the ways of the lord". they may even claim that these are tests of some kind, designed to weed out the undeserving. what undeserving; if we are created by this magic man, then it would be his failures we are paying for. the simple truth would seem to be that any caring, omnipotent god would cherish its creations and treat them as its beloved children, not heap abuse and injustice upon them.

thankfully i'm not an overly spiritual sort of guy. if i were i would spend my days bemoaning our apathetic treatment at the hands of this supposedly loving creator.



the bumper sticker should read:
[align=center]better an eternity of torment than one moment's service to a tyrant[/align]

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God bless:)

I honestly can't blame people for not liking the God in the Bible. If I found out that He were real, before submitting my will to Him, I'd have to ask a few hundred questions on His rationalities and logic, as they completely differ from mine. I'm sure He'd make me understand, being all powerful and stuff. If I disagreed on a few minor things, I'd let it slide, but I doubt there'd only be a few minor things.