A path to faith with science
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Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
Nope, they BOTH more likely originated from a single source.
Tammuz and Osiris were both worshipped and based on a much older god.
I don't think the Babylonian Tammuz was the influence for Osiris/Horus - they were around at the same time - about 5000 years ago.
That would make you an old-world creationist then :thumbsup:
What much older God? Tammuz aka ninus who's name literally signifies "the son" was part of the mother godess religion as a child in her mothers arms. Also known as "the lamented one" (for reasons far removed from any Christian theme) he was the type for other gods osirus, bachus etc.
The existence of the babylonian mystery religion and how it spread to where it is today fulfills biblical prophecy and is testimony to the truth of God's word.
p.s. - of course they were from around the same period.
A path to faith with science
Imitator, I'm not going to answer all of that. I don't have time for that. I already tried to explain it the best I can. I will save my arguements for someone more reasonable. You state your logic , and the built in process of logical deduction in your mind as factual but then you say you cannot know for sure if you in fact exist. If you can trust your mind to come to any conclusion correctly, why don't you trust your own mind to recognise your existence. I'll say it again, no matter how close you perceive something, you can always deny it. You can always have doubt. Why don't you just accept what's reasonable since you can't escape reality. Let me ask you this : how would you know a fact is a fact? What faculty of perception and observation would count as valid to recognise a fact? Unless you are eternal, there is no "string of observations" that can validate each other as absolute facts, that is they exist as they are. They are only a string of observations. A fact is an idea that can only be recognised by the perception. It depends on you.
You say there IS a possibility for such and such. That's saying, it's a fact this this can possible happen. You contradict yourself. You say we don't know anything for a fact but then you say as a fact such and such is a possibility. I know based on the evidence available that the sun will rise towarrow. Everything we know about the natural world shows that to hold true. And the evidence we have shows that we do not live in a world of chaos.
what evidence do you have to show that we may not exist?Or that a possibility that the world is not real?
All logic is built upon axioms. My axiom I know from things I observe. Yours is built on an axiom as well. That your mind is a valid tool to make deductions. But your axiom for the possibility that we may not exist is based upon nonexistent evidence.
It's only your belief. blind faith. Isn't that ironic.
A path to faith with science
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
Imitator, I'm not going to answer all of that. I don't have time for that.
What happened to wanting to save our souls? what was the point in posting in the first place?
A path to faith with science
h.b. ,
I want to save everyone's soul. Yes that's why I posted this thread. But that argument isn't going anywhere. How come nobody asks me questions more about Jesus. If God exists, don't you ever wonder or care what he's like? Don't you care whether he loves you or not? I want to tell you something very important.
knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
Good night.
A path to faith with science
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
The natural universe is running down, and the fact it's losing complexity tell us it must have started with a higher degree of complexity to begin with. Since the natural universe is not able to decrese entropy on it's own, something outside of the natural universe must have done this, something with intelligence and the ability to direct force.
Complexity is disorder. Order is death. Life exists in the balance between the two.
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
When you say dissapative structures do you mean things like ice? I've alreadly touched on that before in this thread too if that's what you mean. (#35)
No. Ice is a static solid structure. Dissipative structures require liquid.
Sorry I don't have time to reply further today, I suggest you check out the text I referenced previously.
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[align=center] Ahhh...nothing better to stir up controversy and anger than a religious post on a board full of "I don't give a fucks"...
Me being one of them...
I have no time for religion or god. Ever since the age of 8 I've been FORCED to go to church due to some bullshit scripture stating "As for me and my house, we will serve the lord."
Yet the reason god gives us the choice between heaven and hell is because he loves us and wants us to have that freedom. WHY exactly isn't that same thought applied to my having to go to church? You tell me.
I got no problems with religion and church and god and shit...but when people try to force it on me...I get pissed. Lol...
DO NOT think that that last sentence was aimed at you because I know it was my own choice to view this thread...I just wanted to put forth my ideas and beliefs the same as you.
Besides...the bible teaches that you should obey gods law first...then the law of the land. Smoking marijuana is illegal. Your breaking a law of the land. And in doing so...breaking gods law. Therefore you are sinning...excuse?[/align]
A path to faith with science
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
h.b. ,
I want to save everyone's soul. Yes that's why I posted this thread. But that argument isn't going anywhere. How come nobody asks me questions more about Jesus. If God exists, don't you ever wonder or care what he's like? Don't you care whether he loves you or not? I want to tell you something very important.
knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
Good night.
Nobody asks questions about jesus because most of us know enough about the guy to not ask.
Love builds up, but nike airs PUMP up :D
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I'm sorry I just can't stay away from this...
"Ask me more about Jesus, I want to tell you somthing important"
So you basiclly ask people to ask you questions, but you're upset that people ask about the very existance of God, and not about what political opions jesus had?
The Bible is the WORD OF MAN
WORD OF MAN
WORD OF MAN
WORD OF MAN
Word_of_Man.
A path to faith with science
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
Imitator, I'm not going to answer all of that. I don't have time for that. I already tried to explain it the best I can. I will save my arguements for someone more reasonable. You state your logic , and the built in process of logical deduction in your mind as factual but then you say you cannot know for sure if you in fact exist. If you can trust your mind to come to any conclusion correctly, why don't you trust your own mind to recognise your existence. I'll say it again, no matter how close you perceive something, you can always deny it. You can always have doubt. Why don't you just accept what's reasonable since you can't escape reality. Let me ask you this : how would you know a fact is a fact? What faculty of perception and observation would count as valid to recognise a fact? Unless you are eternal, there is no "string of observations" that can validate each other as absolute facts, that is they exist as they are. They are only a string of observations. A fact is an idea that can only be recognised by the perception. It depends on you.
You say there IS a possibility for such and such. That's saying, it's a fact this this can possible happen. You contradict yourself. You say we don't know anything for a fact but then you say as a fact such and such is a possibility. I know based on the evidence available that the sun will rise towarrow. Everything we know about the natural world shows that to hold true. And the evidence we have shows that we do not live in a world of chaos.
what evidence do you have to show that we may not exist?Or that a possibility that the world is not real?
All logic is built upon axioms. My axiom I know from things I observe. Yours is built on an axiom as well. That your mind is a valid tool to make deductions. But your axiom for the possibility that we may not exist is based upon nonexistent evidence.
It's only your belief. blind faith. Isn't that ironic.
If you are going to use insults, and call me unreasonable and the like, then like you I will not waste my time speaking with you anymore.
Its obvious you werent looking for a discussion, you just wanted to state your beliefs and give the illusion that you wanted to listen and discuss things with others.
I come to these posts for the discussions, and to learn more about other posters, and see things from a different point of view. Even in this post I was able to gain a bit that I didnt know before. If you arent even willing to hold a discussion, then thank you for the bit of time you shared, and Ill note not to worry about attempting any sort of discussion with you again.
As a note though, its not very consistant to state that you will save your arguements for someone more reasonable, and then begin to argue against my views and post anyways.
A path to faith with science
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Originally Posted by Iambreathingin
I'm sorry I just can't stay away from this...
"Ask me more about Jesus, I want to tell you somthing important"
So you basiclly ask people to ask you questions, but you're upset that people ask about the very existance of God, and not about what political opions jesus had?
The Bible is the WORD OF MAN
WORD OF MAN
WORD OF MAN
WORD OF MAN
Word_of_Man.
The most important thing for me about jesus can be shared in a poem/song...
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Jesus loves me, he loves me a bunch, cause he always puts Skippy in my lunch.
And for the people who will inveritably use that joke against me, it was a joke, ok? :p
