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We're all slaves to the system. Hell, even Morrison was. Sure, he was a bit of a rebel, but when push came to shove, he was just like everyone else who lives in America.
I watched the Doors the other night. That scene where they're in the desert tripping peyote, and morrison is going on about fear, then says ""I was lying, I am afraid" Fucking priceless...
I love that movie!
So you're going to sit on your ass and wait for someone to make a difference for you? Sorry dude, but that responsibility is just as much yours as it is mine, and everybody elses. That applies to every aspect of your life as well as Government.Quote:
I stand by what I said. Since when does it matter who's in control of the House and Senate? I'm talking about a REAL difference. One that's actually noticed by you and me. I've yet to see any difference worth noting in the past 10 years. ~
I guess I'm the one being a dick, but all our asses are in this together and I'm not going to let anyone off the hook on this one. Voting makes a difference. People blowing off voting makes a difference.
Lol, ohhhhkay Hamlet, continue placing your votes if that fulfills you or makes you feel like your contributing. I wouldn't say I've given up, but fuck, I probably should. Just look at our gov't today, and honestly try and tell me that there's hope for a nation free of corrupt officials and leaders anytime soon.
There's more hope in an empty cabin out in the middle of nowhere, away from everything that I dispise about society. And I'll probably end up out in the middle of nowhere someday, too. ~
whats up guys.....what are you talking about?
everything is fine....sheeeeeeeesh
Hey guys why are we not hearing about voting fraud? Voter Intimidation
Did you see the way that the republicans handed over the reigns?......Classy...I must say.
The best quote i herd all week is when someone called Nancy Pelosi...a "Socialist Dingbat" I love that lable.....
I imagine that's exactly what a Mexican says to himself (in Spanish) about his country, right before he swims the Rio Grande to come over here. That's why third world countries are so fucked up. They see themselves as peasants who can't do anything about the tyranny and corruption of 'the Powers that Be'. ...and most of them can't-BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE.Quote:
I wouldn't say I've given up, but fuck, I probably should. Just look at our gov't today, and honestly try and tell me that there's hope for a nation free of corrupt officials and leaders anytime soon.
Pick up a paper, or turn on the news. Politicians are kissing your ass to do anything you want if you'll vote for them. You want a Government free of corruption? Make it happen. Enough voters get together and say 'this corruption's gotta go!' and the Suits wanting to stay in power will drag DeLay, Ambramoff, Ney and the rest out in the streets and shoot them for you.
You're not going to escape society running off into the woods and trying to live off the land. Believe me, I know a thousand hippies who've tried and are still trying.
Government is like any other kind of power--sex, money, fame, food, or fast cars--either you control it, or it will control you. And don't say ya don't wanna play cuz you're already in the game.
shame on those who didn't vote.
Unfortunately there were no Libertarians or Greens running in my district. I had to vote for all Democratic candidates.
America could very well be a third-world country. It certainly makes sense to me.
Politicians are kissing my ass and making false promises to get my vote, and most of the time, go about their business and fill out their own agenda. But I don't for one second buy into any sort of "sincerity" they might throw at the general population. I must say that some politicians do seem to care about the citizens they represent, but most are led by dreams of power and money.
And I don't quite understand your logic for that "either you control the gov't or it controls you" analogy. If by "control", you mean placing a single vote for some Suit ultimately representing a meaningless party full of the same unfulfilled promises, then yes, call it 'you being in control'. Yet you used cars, fast food, and money in the same sentence, but it's nowhere near the same thing. If it were that easy, I'd drive on down to Wendy's and order a double George Washington and a frosty. THAT'S control. We only control the names on the desks and the color of the state, and nothing more. In the end, it's all the same. It's not like we can go from pawns to Kings in this so-called game you speak of.
That's just my opinion of things though. I'm definitely not looking to change any minds here, nor do I think mine can be changed. But hey, that's politics, and this is just my :twocents:
As for my great escape from society, I also agree that I can't escape it, but at least out in the woods, I won't be constantly reminded of a world gone to hell. All I'll have is the solitude of the forest, and my own mind to keep me company. ~
Sorry man, told ya I wasn't going to let anyone off the hook on this one so it's something I gotta do.Quote:
We only control the names on the desks and the color of the state, and nothing more. In the end, it's all the same. It's not like we can go from pawns to Kings in this so-called game you speak of.
Nothing more? You're so wrong there. We put the agendas and values that we want represented into those names on the desk, and colors on the States. Sure there are plenty of sleezeballs who have their own agenda but that can be dealt with. The Christian Coalition figured this out and has the most venimous serpents in Washington (DeLay, Ney, Bush, etc) professing how they love Jesus and pushing their religious agenda through. <--You don't like what they're doing? You want to fix that agenda? Get on a bandwagon and let'm know you're a citizen that doesn't take any shit. You get pumped and others will get pumped too. Leave it to someone else, and you're going to wake up in a nightmare where you don't even have a wilderness to run off to.
It's not like we went from pawns to kings in this game ya say? Fuckin'A believe we went from pawns to kings. We've got the vote and we can tell the ruling class to kiss our sweet ass if they don't like it. First time in history too, our founding fathers set it up so that we're in charge. Many got got their balls blown off and hanged trying to git 'r done, but here we are and we're keeping it. My opinion counts--and your opinion counts. From toothpaste to TV they wanna know what turns you on and deliver the goods. If your opinion is 'this is all fucked up bullshit and I'm throwing in the towel" ..someone is going to seize that opportunity and push their own agendas through, or take it right back to Monarchy domination.
By all means go live in the forest and enjoy it. But every now and then come down out of the hills and cast a good vote. It's what's going to keep them from coming for you to drag ya out of the forest and plowing over your cabin.
guess what nimrod they tend to care more about representing what people who give them millions of dollars and actually have the power to control more votes than just their own do, honestly they could care aabout a pissed off citizen who isnt taking it any more. and guess what, it isnt throwing in the towel and settling for a monarchy if you dont want to contribute to a system you feel is corrupt, feel that either party is more concerned about being in power than actually using that power for good, i guess you just pulled that out of your ass. keep telling yourself you really have a say in the government if it makes you happy but you arent going to convince anyone who already knows better so just give it a rest there uncle samQuote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
That was a dazzling response and philosophy there, Nimrod. I'm in awe of your your rationale for sitting on your ass n' eatin' cheetos while the ruthlessly ambitious sneak up on your ass and cornhole you from behind. No, they don't care about one pissed off citizen who isn't going to take it anymore, but they do care, and have to care, about a hundred million pissed off citizens who aren't going to take it anymore. When those citizens are too stupid and lazy to be pissed off is when it all goes to hell in a handbag.Quote:
guess what nimrod they tend to care more about representing what people who give them millions of dollars and actually have the power to control more votes than just their own do, honestly they could care aabout a pissed off citizen who isnt taking it any more. and guess what, it isnt throwing in the towel and settling for a monarchy if you dont want to contribute to a system you feel is corrupt, feel that either party is more concerned about being in power than actually using that power for good, i guess you just pulled that out of your ass. keep telling yourself you really have a say in the government if it makes you happy but you arent going to convince anyone who already knows better so just give it a rest there uncle sam
Yeah? Then what the hell is it? Enlighten us between breaks in Worlds of Warcraft what you think it is. If it's corrupt it's because lazyass couchpotatoes mooching off the system and not contributing have allowed it to get that way. Pickin' your nose, doing nothing and bitchin' about a corrupt system doesn't make you Thoreau.Quote:
it isnt throwing in the towel and settling for a monarchy if you dont want to contribute to a system you feel is corrupt,