Terror Storm

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Originally Posted by graymatter

How can an entire U.S. CONGRESS conspire to give LBJ a blank check based on the Gulf of TonkinWar Declared incident/non?

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I'll have a go at that...and say...momentum, persuasion, manipulation, and then a really nice one...doing what they believe will secure their seat in an upcoming election.

Have a look at the historical records of every publicly known war/confrontation ever since such things went 'formal'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declara..._United_States

Out of 24 declarations, 5, (Iraq, Afghanistan, Persian Gulf, Mexican American War, and the war of 1812- two of those two centuries ago), received any contention from opposed members of either the House or The Senate.

Food for thought eh.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

No, nothing more than mainstream news and their attribution of the 9-11 events to terrorists. But I'm a trained journalist myself, and so I feel certain that if the evidence were overwhelmingly in favor of some other cause of those events like a government conspiracy, they'd be all over that. As it stands now, I only see a very fringe element who seems to believe that angle. So I will continue to remain very skeptical.

I've got to sign off for a bit now. I just made the decision to wash my neighbor's cat, and it was very traumatic for both of us. I'm the only one with lacerations, however. My neighbors don't accept responsibility for this animal or care for it, and it was filthy. I'm preparing to introduce it into my household now that it's clean. (Assuming it'll forgive me and I survive these cuts.) Be back online later!

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I would think that being a trained journalist that you would noticed coincidents, patterns or whatever you would like to call the smoke from the fire, and then form questions based on those observations.

Seems odd to me that being trained as a journalist you wouldnt be able to filter out the theatrics and focus on the information being given.

Do you not have unanswered questions of your own?

I can filter out the theatrics and have. But the theactrics themselves, along with other matters, still cause me to question the validity of the info.

Sure I have questions. I have questions about all of it, from the official line stories to the conspiracies. I'm too smart not to.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I can filter out the theatrics and have. But the theactrics themselves, along with other matters, still cause me to question the validity of the info.

Sure I have questions. I have questions about all of it, from the official line stories to the conspiracies. I'm too smart not to.

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Care to share?

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Originally Posted by slowthestone

I'll have a go at that...and say...momentum, persuasion, manipulation, and then a really nice one...doing what they believe will secure their seat in an upcoming election.

Have a look at the historical records of every publicly known war/confrontation ever since such things went 'formal'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declara..._United_States

Out of 24 declarations, 5, (Iraq, Afghanistan, Persian Gulf, Mexican American War, and the war of 1812- two of those two centuries ago), received any contention from opposed members of either the House or The Senate.

Food for thought eh.

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Hey, slowthestone, good point on the war making consent. Checks and balances don't typically kick in until we see the progress/lack and the toll.

I think the argument centers on intentions. AJ makes his millions on the message that some malevolent force guides the intentions of world leaders to seek global domination. If people really believe this then I might just suggest we move these threads to Spirituality.

I don't need to dive into the minutia of every proposition to understand the absurdity of the theme. Political leaders lead a sloppy, contentious battle to achieve their aims in varying degrees of success and failure. So, while I believe GW's administration is arrogant and short sighted, I don't believe they have Frodo's ring or Darth Vader's playbook... Peace!

so i watched the rest of it. the music didn't really bother me. overall, it looked like a typical documentary. the graphics and animations weren't an eye-sore, it looked like something you'd see on cable.

but that's not what's important, that stuff doesn't matter. the information it contained is what's important, and it's all documented.

i'll do my best to keep an open mind and not pay attention to it.

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Originally Posted by pisshead

i'll do my best to keep an open mind and not pay attention to it.

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OK Piss, as funny as this statement is, doesnt mean noone is paying attention.

To me keeping an open mind means, trying my best to view both sides objectively.

If what AJ says is true, then what would you suggest we as the people do about it?

If it goes as far as he says, then how do you propose to stop the progession?

Because, going down that road to me screams revolution, I could be wrong, and i hope i am, I would hope that even if AJ is right, there would still be a peacefull end to it all.

I watched all of terror storm...and then I found 'loose change'.

It's far more compelling, way less ranty big mouth with a blow horn...and left me feeling like I got kicked in the gut...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81991288263801