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Originally Posted by Dr.Smokealot
nice pics!! i want to see what your yields are at the end of ur grow cuz im not sure if i should get the producer or the bloom box.
Don't base your decision on my yield. I am having newbie problems.
The reason I bought the Producer and not the BloomBox was because I figured I could make a small mothering/clone box with a fluorescent light for pretty cheap. And since both boxes cost the same I would rather have 860 watts of light as with the Producer instead of 430 watts as with the BloomBox.
GrowerXLT
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Originally Posted by GrowerXLT
I change my res every 7 days.
The roots of the sevierly stunted plants havent even grown out of the 3 inch rookwool cubes that are in the the 3 inch pots.
The good plants roots are a white/tan color.
GrowerXLT
Well, at this point I wish one of the Mod's would chime in. I think that the roots not even growing through the Rockwool are the problem. Zandor has said quite a few things on this board that haven't been to favorable when it comes to using Rockwool as a mediam. Well hopefully he can bring his expertise to the subject.
But let me ask you one or two things. Before planting the seeds/clones in the Rockwool did you soke them in 5.5 PH distilled water solution? Perhaps you didn't think about it. I believe that the producer is a drip system if my memory serves me right, do you have the drippers dripping directly onto the Rockwool? If so this can be a problem depending on how long your drippers are on for. Rockwool can cause root rot problems when kept wet constantly. This with the way you soaked them in the first place may be a combination of the problem. Do a search on root rot and Rockwool and you may come up with something. In the mean time I will poke around too. Hope this helps some.
About the other things you were saying about the appearance of the units, my Misses and I went to the BC Northernlights site and checked out the boxes again and compared them to some of the other units out there and came to the conclusion that for stealth it does get two thumbs down. Even if you didn't know that it was a grow box you still would think that it looks odd. I know that a few people on here have went with the Cool Cab and the Caddie units from Sun Sheds and their experiences have differed, but with Sun Sheds you can go to their site and read their board and hear about the cabs in action. I am surprised that they keep the board open because of the fact that the users of the cabs have so many problems with the units, so for anyone interested in the Cool Cab or the Caddie, read SunSheds boards first. Not to say that they are all duds, but always do your R and D before you go spending the rent money on a grow box.
Adieu
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No Roots = BIG PROBLEMS
Rock wool isnt the best but it does work and shoundn't have anything to do with your ongoing problems.
Review your thread.
Seems to me trouble started when you applied the neem oil to PREVENT pests, which doesn't work that way.
Perhaps you over did it with the neem oil. Neem can be very very very hard on new growth but even devestating on new roots. There is a chance that some neem got in the stem / root structure and did some permanent damage that the plants couold not recover from.
Regardless, this is a good thread, yet, the final product appears to be a light weight harvest, small buds, and stringy stemmy growth.
Seems a SOG grow is the only way to go with these boxes to fill that grow chamber up. Also, you (in the future) may want to try and top each plant a couple of times to get some horizontal growth.
Veg longer...you went to flower pretty quick.
Anyhow, you are learning, teaching, sharing and discovering all on your own.
And that my friend translates to: SUCCESS....regardless of your harvest.
Thanks for the presentation...I hope it works out.
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Harddon do you think that he should still consider the rockwool saturation possibility? I know that saturated rockwool can choke the roots and block nute uptake. I know from reading your post that you have way more exp than me, but it seems like this could be a possibility as well. I have no exp with the oil so perhaps I am just way off. Well either way I am glad that someone else has brought more light to this sittuation.
Like Harddon said though, keep it up and just remember it is a learning exp. The things I know the best are the things I made the biggest messes out of first.
Adieu
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Since I've been considering getting the Bloom Box, I've been keeping a close eye on this thread as well, and thank you very much for sharing your adventures with us :D
I'm sorry about the difficulties you're having. One question I have though... if I were to get the Bloom Box, what else can I use to germinate seeds other than rock wool? It's not that I'm a rock wool hater, never used it myself. But I don't like the "idea" of it and I would rather germinate in something a bit more natural at first, and then switch over to the medium that the boxes use for veg and flowering. Is that possible, or am I stuck using rock wool?
Thanks :)
Sabrina
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Well you can read up on using an aero cloner on the FAQ. Also, Jiffy peat moss pellets. You never need to swich to rockwool either, you can use grow rocks or lava rocks as the mediam instead of the rockwool.
Adieu
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hey growerxlt is the producer really loud or kinda loud?
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Originally Posted by BlueBear
But let me ask you one or two things. Before planting the seeds/clones in the Rockwool did you soke them in 5.5 PH distilled water solution?
I believe that the producer is a drip system if my memory serves me right, do you have the drippers dripping directly onto the Rockwool? If so this can be a problem depending on how long your drippers are on for.
Adieu
BlueBear,
I didn' soak the clones in 5.5pH water before adding the 1 inch cube into the 3 inch cube.
The hydro system is a combo DWC/Drip system. The drippers do drip directly onto the rockwool. However they only go on twice a day for 5 minutes. So I do not think the rockwool is the problem becuase it stays relatively dry most of the day.
I do know for sure now that this is a root problem.
GrowerXLT
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Originally Posted by HARDDON
No Roots = BIG PROBLEMS
Rock wool isnt the best but it does work and shoundn't have anything to do with your ongoing problems.
Review your thread.
Seems to me trouble started when you applied the neem oil to PREVENT pests, which doesn't work that way.
Perhaps you over did it with the neem oil. Neem can be very very very hard on new growth but even devestating on new roots. There is a chance that some neem got in the stem / root structure and did some permanent damage that the plants couold not recover from.
Regardless, this is a good thread, yet, the final product appears to be a light weight harvest, small buds, and stringy stemmy growth.
Seems a SOG grow is the only way to go with these boxes to fill that grow chamber up. Also, you (in the future) may want to try and top each plant a couple of times to get some horizontal growth.
Veg longer...you went to flower pretty quick.
Anyhow, you are learning, teaching, sharing and discovering all on your own.
And that my friend translates to: SUCCESS....regardless of your harvest.
Thanks for the presentation...I hope it works out.
Harddon,
Thanks for the reply. It definitely is a root problem. Now I must determine the best I can, what caused the stunted roots & root rot. I think you are most likely correct in thinking that the neem is the problem.
My question is, what do you think of this article:
http://growfaq.marijuana.com/growfaq/1667.htm
I followed it word for word thinking that it would be best to apply neem as preventive maintenance. You on the other hand directly contradict this. Do you think this artice is teaching me bad practices?
Also some important facts to note are:
1. My water is always about 86 degrees fahrenheit. I have read that this is too high for DWC, what do you think?
2. The drip system only waters for 5 minutes twice a day. So I doubt that the rockwool is the problem.
I have seen someone successfully do a SGROG with the BloomBox and I am thinking about doing something like this next cycle, due to the fact that I can grow less plants (which is a bonus do to the laws in my city/state).
I never topped my plants because I am a newbie and the general thought of cutting the main grow shoot scares me. But I guess this is something I will just have to get used to.
The reason I went to flower so quick was because I was scared that I was going to grow the plants to tall and burn them. I would imagine if I hadn't of fucked up my roots they would all have been much larger by now.
Man....it is so much cooler learning by doing something CORRECTLY as opposed to learning from my mistakes :confused:. But as you stated I am learning. Thanks again for taking time to help a newbie out. I very much appreciate it.
GrowerXLT
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Originally Posted by Sabrinaleena
Since I've been considering getting the Bloom Box, I've been keeping a close eye on this thread as well, and thank you very much for sharing your adventures with us :D
I'm sorry about the difficulties you're having. One question I have though... if I were to get the Bloom Box, what else can I use to germinate seeds other than rock wool? It's not that I'm a rock wool hater, never used it myself. But I don't like the "idea" of it and I would rather germinate in something a bit more natural at first, and then switch over to the medium that the boxes use for veg and flowering. Is that possible, or am I stuck using rock wool?
Thanks :)
Sabrina
Sabrinaleena,
You can use a paper towel to germinate the seeds, then use any medium that you want to plant them in. My clones came in 1 inch Oasis Horticubes which fit perfectly in 3 inch rockwool cubes. I only used the rockwool because that is what comes with the system. But I am sure you can use any medium that you want as long as you can get it into the 3 inch net pots. I hope this helps.
GrowerXLT