im listening to it now, its a pretty good cd, i wouldnt say their best, but its still pretty good. hopefully ill like it more the more i listen to it.
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im listening to it now, its a pretty good cd, i wouldnt say their best, but its still pretty good. hopefully ill like it more the more i listen to it.
Well, this is quite a coincidence to return to this site looking specifically for a thread about the new Tool album and see someone whom I know to be a fan trash them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I'll admit, I don't pay for any music, and although I'd like to support the band, I just can't bring myself to fork out an enormous sum of money such as $15 or $20 dollars. Even such a legendary event as the release of this much anticipated album is no exception. I found a torrent from isohunt and quickly burned myself a copy a few hours ago, and am currently about to finish the album for the first time.
I haven't even listened to the lyrics as I'm just absorbing the music and reading reviews right now, but I can tell you that from reading about the contents of some of the songs that you may be correct about the concept of this album being a joke. As a matter of fact, the idea had been floating around my head since I'd begun to read. I honestly wouldn't put it past the band. I'll analyze some of the lyrics and get back to you if you're up for a discussion.
And excuse the fact that I've only read the first couple of posts if I missed anything.
so your saying tool released this load to separate their real fans from the scene kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I like tool, I've liked them for a while (ogt, back in '92, from the first EP)
I'll buy this cd, because I like this band and I beleive in supporting artists. If it sucks, then it does and that is ok because I like them and I wouldn't drop them or talk shit about them just because of a few bad judgement calls.
I have a friend who is a musician, he's sung a few bad notes, written some hokey songs...but we are still friends.
Tool has three groundbreaking cd's that came out and blew everone away, the music industry and fans have been waiting for this new album and expectations are so high for it to be the next savior. To meet everyone's expectations this album would have to get you high, do your dishes and give you head to be better than the other three and even if it did all those things there would still be dicks out there critisizing the high, the housework and how awkward you feel the next day after having sex with your cd. I think I'd like to make my own mind up about this new thing without taking the hyper critical anti-fan approach.
Like, for example, the entire conversation. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lateralus
I haven't yet read the Tool FAQ (I'll put it on my todo list), but I managed to see said contradictions anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
First of all, how much of the album is spoken from a fervently Christian point of view? A lot of us remember the April Fool's joke in 2005, with the Kurt Loder MTV fiasco (haha) in which Maynard announced that he'd 'found Jesus'. Much to Kurt Loder's -and any other reporter dumb enough to accept it as fact- chagrin, it turned out to be a big laugh. Secondly, any APC fan will, if he'd been paying attention, refer you to:which entirely contradicts the whole point of tracks three and four of the new album.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Perfect Circle - Judith
Well, I'd been hearing Tool on the radio for years, all the while blatantly loathing their sound. It wasn't until I decided to really give them a try a couple years ago that I got into the band and started to truly appreciate the intracacies of their lyrics and sound, so I definitely have to disagree with you here. In fact, I think you even contradicted yourself in that paragraph:Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
right here. If you're expected to like it after only a single listen, how can you possibly hear all of the subtleties in music of this kind (which is part of the reason I became interested)? Sure, someone with an incredibly analytic ear might be able to sort of pull this off, but not your average Joe. (i.e., most of us)Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
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Originally Posted by CocaCola
I doubt Tool will come out and admit any such thing, and it's quite a shame they don't do more interviews. I even read somewhere that the band avoids, as much as possible, reading fan reviews of their music so as not to influence their ego or music. Come to think of it, what about their Meshuggah influence? So much for not influencing their music. :) I heard a few parts that may have been influenced by Meshuggah (Catch 33), but they could've just as easily been 100% Tool. Wherever the supposed influence lies, in my opinion, it's subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I agree. Those kinds of solos are far from innovative and have been done a million times, but I wonder if they've ever been as drawn out and boring as in these instances. Have you ever listened to The Doors - The End? A substantial piece of one of the tracks (if memory serves, track four) is spookily reminiscent of pieces of that song going as far as to even completely recycle the drum beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
To truly attempt to obtain even an inkling of understanding of what Tool intended to convey, you can't just 'fucking listen to the music'. For example, Maynard strongly hints of Jungian psychological theory, and, I mean, I don't know about you, but Jungian theory isn't exactly my typical, mundane dinner-table conversation topic. Read the beginning of my post for another example.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevolverBlaze
I think the song sounds great after "You had better, you'd better listen". Really great, actually. Still, I've written songs of greater complexity in a half an hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I don't know who the hell Rosetta is, but you do realize Rosetta Stoned is a continuation of the previous song, right? It isn't the only instance of such two-part pieces in the CD, and to tell you the truth, I enjoy the transitions between the the intro/conclusions (3&4 is the other one).. At first, I thought 'Rosetta' was the narrator, but.. in the previous track, the doctor repeatedly refers to the patient as a male, and I assume Rosetta is a feminine name, but who knows.. Whoever is narrating, though, somehow wanders or is taken into a hospital, and tells his/her story of being the unlikely candidate for an alien encounter in which he is surprised to hear that the "E motherfucking T" chooses him to deliver some kind of very deep message indeed, to whoever will listen. What was the message? Oops, he forgot. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
It seems, at times, that the album is building this incredible crescendo in order to climax with this awe-inspiring, emotional, epic, intellectual brilliance that we all expected, but most of the crescendos seem to lead to either an overly extended plateau of boringness or a sore disappointment in the form of a very lame -but heavy- guitar riff. I always think of Wings for Marie and 10,000 Days when I think of this.. the former had some very nice, I thought, moments (actually, the moments I'm talking about are duplicated in the song after it, toward the end), and I loved the intro to 10,000 Days. I love that bassline, and that thunder is effective.. there's so much potential in that song.. you get the feeling you're about to witness something phenomenal, 'cause after all, it's Tool damn it - and the song doesn't go anywhere. After all the bashing, though, I still appreciate and enjoy the album despite its lulls and repetitive disappointments.
I know I forgot to include something. I *always* do.
Maybe "The Pot" is about www.cannabis.com. Perhaps he anticipated our bitching, and he is the true genius prophet who can do no wrong after all, and we should all drop down and worship the lord and disappointing albums. Yes.. yes, I think it's evident that this is what Maynard intended.. Hallelujah, FINALLY the instant higher moral ground I was looking for!-Puts finger down in a humble manner, yes-Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Maynard
Holy shit I got tired of reading. Just wanted to put in my $0.02. The new Tool album does not suck, but it is obviously not their best work. They JUST got back together; maybe they're not in the groove yet. I heard "Vicarious" and "The Pot" live at Coachella Music Festival. During the beginning of "The Pot", there were some boo's and some expressions of disapproval. But those ended as soon as the guitars started up. And "Pork Soda" is, indeed, the shit.
omg i downloaded the new album and it sounds like shit, i downloaded it because i heard tool was a good band but if they sound even remotely like they did in 10,000 days then they suck. HARD.
but seriously, i usually like all music but i couldn't finish even a single song on that album because they were all SO bad.
honestly i cant even hear any variation in their tone/beat/sounds and thats saying alot cause im a pothead who LOVES music.
so my opinion is that the new tool album is for tools.
Never understood the hype with this band. The music kind of bores me although I enjoy their clay-mation music videos on mute. I dunno man maybe I haven't heard the right songs by them.
alot of times there is one song that 'opens the door' to a person for tool.
for me it was schism. until i heard that song i was much like you. once i had my in...then you see it from the inside out. and then you fall over in amazement.