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Originally Posted by pixel
ummmmmm, can ANYONE prove without a reasonable doubt that their religious beliefs are accurate? nope. there's a little concept called FAITH, it goes hand in hand with almost all religions.
No of course you cant, its an impossible assignment and only fools rise to the bait - as we have seen here. Adolf is taunting you - what else would you expect from Herr Smitler? ;) Never mind beyond a reasonable doubt, how about just strong proof or any fucking proof at all? Hasnt made an appearance yet in this thread.
Faith is a matter of feeling very certain about something even when there is no evidence. Humans are very prone to this and it leads to all kinds of problems - they confuse the strength of their feelings with fact or evidence. Remember Heavans Gate? They sure had faith. How about the suicide bombers ? Men of great conviction. How about GW Bush? God put him here to bring democracy to the middle east! You may feel differently but he is damn sure of it!
Its a funny thing but the brain is quite capable of seeing clearly something that is just logicaly impossible. I like this
Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
Alice in Wonderland.
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- if you can find one smaller then you are a shoo in for the Nobel and I would love to have your autograph or even a discarded kleenex from you.
There has been no proof of anyone reaching the core of matter. Can you say atoms are the smallest pieces in existance? Or the smallest possible ones?
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And mass can indeed be destroyed. For one thing it can be converted into energy and energy back into matter
Maybe if i should be more accurate with scientific terms and you should be less meticulous? Ok, doesent matter wheter we call it matter or what. If it is turned into energy, it can be still turned back to matter, like you said and blah blah. But energy, too, is a perceivable existing thing. The duality here is perceivable and unperceivable. Existance of a 'soul' that im speaking of is unperceivable, except for the soul itself(meaning you should realize your own existance).
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I dont see how you establish the existence of "spirit" sure you believe that the universe is constructed on a duality and that symmetry strongly suggests to you the existence of a spirit world - but this is all your opinion - the question was on proof
I have no proof if youre an agnostic. If youre not, then my proof lies on sane deduction and perceiving. You should look around and analyze.
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this duality is a helpful way to explain things but not really a rule in the universe.
Oh yes it does quite seem to be.
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cold is not a force like heat but an absence of heat.
Im very aware of that. So, if there was no absence of heat, the whole idea of absence of heat at all in existance, then we would not have heat at all. There would only be so hot that...we would not really know hotness at all. Its own fullfillness would destroy it. This really needs no further explaining.
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Religion is strictly something based on faith alone, with no proof available
if its able to be proven in any way using existing data, observation, or experimentation it is no longer religion but what is considered to be science, therefore if you can prove something using either data, observation, or experimentation it is by definition science, and not religion.
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oh and partyguy 420 this is for you
Hey god i please want a gatorade ????
OH LOOK WHAT DO YOU KNOW I HAVE A GATORADE !!!!!!!
therefore since there is a gatorade here now, my god is real
side note (there already was a gatorade here.... just like how the deer and fish were there before he prayed as well as his grandma's.... cedar bark) by the way partyguy 420 i REALLY hope you were kidding when you said that
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Originally Posted by Adolf Smittler
the aztecs believed that they had to sacrifice people to persuade the sun god to raise the sun every morning. sure enough, after they sacrificed somebody, the sun rose for days on end. does this prove that their religion is fact? if god descended down to earth and delivered those berries to you in the form of a heavenly pie, that would be real proof. all you have to do to kill a deer is shoot it. all you have to do to get cedar bark is peel it off of a cedar tree.
its not as simple as just shooting a deer when your using a bow and is just not as simple as you think it is shooting an animal it requires careful steps careful shots and careful thinking. as for the cedar bark it may be that easy to just peel it off the tree but you have to know when it is the right time to peel it you have to know that the creator gave you the right amount of rain and sunshine to make it usable. and on the berries you have to hope that the creator gives you the right amount of sun and rain for growing conditions to make them sweet and of the right texture. so fuck off thank you very much.
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im just going to say this, fuck you guys, i belive what i belive, i was taught that if you want to make your hunt successful, you pray to the creator, if you want to make your fishing, berry picking, or bark stripping successful, you pray to the creator.
just like the christians pray to their lord to thank him for the food thats on their table or when they pray that their family wont break apart or stuff like that, that is what i do, i pray to my creator. so fuck you closeminded pricks.
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There has been no proof of anyone reaching the core of matter. Can you say atoms are the smallest pieces in existance? Or the smallest possible ones? .
No! I said quarks and leptons are the smallest particles known and that if you can find one smaller this is a very very big deal. Didnt you read Herr Smitlers post? Plancks constant is the granularity of free space - there is no size smaller than that! You are the one who asserted, with out any justification whatsoever, that matter is infinitely divisible - you made the assertion now back it up. Modern Physics, if you know anything about it, (sic) says you are wrong Dead wrong! Neither matter nor energy nor space itself are infinitely divisible. And if you think that the difference between a photon, a quark and say the energy in a gravitational field is just a matter of details then you really have no grasp of physics at all!
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Maybe if i should be more accurate with scientific terms
please yes! Being meticulous is the very foundation of science - there is no "too meticulous" when you are doing science or using it to support your ideas
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But energy, too, is a perceivable existing thing. The duality here is perceivable and unperceivable. Existance of a 'soul' that im speaking of is unperceivable, except for the soul itself(meaning you should realize your own existance).
Yes energy exists and its perceivable. Physics is with you here :) But so what? I am an atheist. I dont have a soul. As for realizing that I exist - frankly I have doubts but thats another debate. But what does this have to do with energy?
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I have no proof if youre an agnostic. If youre not, then my proof lies on sane deduction and perceiving. You should look around and analyze.).
No that doesnt wash. Either its proof or it aint. It makes no difference who is listening. You cant depend on a sympathetic ear.
Look around? What the hell do you mean by that? I have worked hard all my life to find out and understand the world I live in. I made a serious study of math and science - I do that stuff for a living and I love it. I have lived in many countries not just visited, lived. - learned to speak 4 languages and read 7 - Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic and Latin among them. (Arabic and Latin are almost rusted shut but they served their purpose) I have read the OT in its original Hebrew (and some Aramaic) because I wanted to go to the source. I cant stand bullshit! I really do think I can say I have "looked around" .
Now my credo? I prefer to spread my cards out for all to see. I am an atheist. There is no god , there is no soul, there is no supernatural and dead is dead. Life is a complicated kind of fire that burns because it can. The purpose of life is to increase entropy. The meaning of life is that life goes on. ( By that I mean biological life - not human existance. ) For a man, the meaning of life is the living of it. The universe doesnt know we exist and would not care if it did.
Now it sounds to me that instead of looking around you have been watching Star Trek. That stuff is just fiction - did you know that? And bad fiction at that too. It's racist bullshit and makes a mockery of physics among other things. My suggestion for you is to do some serious looking around; read a basic college physics book. Sears & Zemansky is a great choice. They have a non calculus version too although IMO physics without calculus is like a dance without music. But its a lot of work - most people just arent upto it. But if you do do it, you will be rewarded with astonishing, beautiful insights . Real insights! The kind that can only be achieved by hard, disciplined work. Not the drivel you hear on Star Trek. (I suspect the script is written by hairdressers) I'd be happy to send you a used copy of S & Z, I have several lying around and I would be happy to tutor you through the entire book and calculus too - quite serious. That is if you are interested in "looking around"
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Originally Posted by EternalEnemy
... So, if there was no absence of heat, the whole idea of absence of heat at all in existance, then we would not have heat at all. There would only be so hot that...we would not really know hotness at all. Its own fullfillness would destroy it. This really needs no further explaining.
Hunh? Man puhleeeez what are you smoking and where do I get some - its awesome!
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Originally Posted by partyguy420
im just going to say this, fuck you guys, i belive what i belive, i was taught .
why? dont you think for yourself? did they teach you "fuck you guys" when people disagree with your position?
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Originally Posted by partyguy420
that if you want to make your hunt successful, you pray to the creator, if you want to make your fishing, berry picking, or bark stripping successful, you pray to the creator.
just like the christians pray to their lord to thank him for the food thats on their table or when they pray that their family wont break apart or stuff like that, that is what i do, i pray to my creator. so fuck you closeminded pricks.
I have pretty good success in my endeavors and I dont pray, ever! (though I used to) I dont thank god for my food either - yet I eat well every day and have for over 50 years. So the question is, what does all that really do for you other than make you feel right?
Since I abandoned all religious faith my life has been pretty damn good! Materially and emotionally and intellectually. So what does this prove one way or the other? Well one thing - when someone curses you because you dont see things the way he does - thats closed minded;)
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Religon is bound by the concept of relative truth; what is true to one is not true to all.
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Well if you believe time to be truely infinte
then you could go on to say that any/every possibility (an infinite amount of possibilities) would happen an infinate amount of times through the scope of time
which would lead you to believe that your life/position in time is truely a crapshoot right, everything you see/everything that happens is due to living out that one chance out of infinity.
or would that go in hand in saying that things are fated to be? or that life is a crapshoot. I wonder. But if time is infinate then I guess all im sayin is i dont really see the role a "god" would have...so i guess im just disproving any god-based religion rather than proving anything....
but i guess one could argue that time only exists until you die if they really wanted too...but i still dont see how agod would play out in that either...
dammit i didnt answer shit! just more questions...man im too stoned for this
