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And I should have aknolaged you said that before but I forgot about it. It is a Major problem that a lot of people have. It's how a lot of bull shit gets started; religion/cults, conspiracies, Aliens, astrology, magic and other bullshit. Ignorance and speculation starts and fuels it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TakeFlight
alright well thanks for clearing that up
Ok so youve explained to me how we started now explain to me how other life like plants for example came to be and how they could be so diverse, are you saying it all started from one thing or what or am i not picking up on something
Last could you tell me how science explains hallucinogens specifically mushrooms? i find it curiously bizzare that psilocybin found its way into such a durable rugged species of fungus
Also if your able to understand everything you just said you have to be able to understand how someone could be so skeptical about the subject especially something like the origin of life and how science is so certain about it.
I haven't explained to you how we've started; I said we don't currently know how life went from organic compounds to DNA. The only reason I'm certain that this did happen is that we are here today. We don't even know how common life is in the Universe. We could be the only planet with life or there could be an infinite number of planets. But the answers to that question are very far off, after all we have only looked at our own solar system so far and there are trillions upon trillions of stars in trillions upon trillions of galaxies.Quote:
Originally Posted by TakeFlight
The first form of life could have been one "life form" or a whole vastly different variety of them. We don't know now, but we may in the future. The origin of life is not the same as evolution. Evolution is how life diversifies after it got started. Letâ??s say you have 1 species. If you separate them (genetically) into 2 groups and allow each group to breed within itself then over enough time (though mutations and variations) they will differ so much genetically they will be unable to breed. Keep in mind this process takes millions of years and itâ??s the changes in the environmental conditions and influences by other organisms that drive the selection for these new changes. This is about as much as I know about evolution, but even without this idea I havenâ??t heard another way the fossil record and vestigial organs (like a pelvic bone in a whale) could be explained so nicely.
How they influence your brain? Or itâ??s existence as a whole? Either way I have no idea, never studied them, never read anything about them. Could be human influence, could be a coincidence, or maybe itâ??s some sort of self defense system. Not sure too many animals would eat them if they made them hallucinate. I guess this last one would make the most sense, but it certainly isnâ??t the only poisonous mushroom. Plenty of mushrooms, plants, and animals would fuck you up if you ate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TakeFlight
Well it's taken me 3 and a half years to understand most of what I "know" now. Yea there is still some doupt in some of the theories, maybe I shouldn't have used certain so loosely, but nothing else makes sense with the observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by TakeFlight
I guess I should mention that skepticism is a huge part of science. For any hypothesis to become theory it has to be backed by strong evidence from multiple sources and by different scientists. All of the â??mumbo jumboâ? I stated before has been past this and beat out competing theories. I donâ??t know if youâ??ve heard of the steady state theory, but that was the main competitor for the Big Bang theory. Its idea was that the Universe was infinitely old and material kept getting cycled back in to create stars. But it failed to correlate with what we see today. It was disproved by the three things I stated before. The idea is that there are always competing theories and the best one is always selected until its proven wrong or a better one comes along. In the case of evolution itâ??s the only theory, no other theory can explain what it can. I mean you COULD have a god that drives it, but it doesnâ??t change how it works nor does it give any meaningful insights into other parts of the theory.
Except of course, when it comes to the rather painful task of self-evalutation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonStarer420
As a scientist, have you ever read any of the works of Kuhn?
nope, Kuhn who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time someting like that happened in politics or religion." —Carl SaganQuote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
To say that science is worse than religion at self-evaluation is just flat out wrong. Do you know the difference between faith and evidence? Good scientists look at the evidence and draw conclusions from that. Faith means you just believe because you believe because you believe.
I just read a little about him, defenetly will check him out. When i have time.
Yea I defenatly know how that is. Painful and sometimes unwilling, takes a lot of effort to ditch old ideas sometimes, even when i know their bad or weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut