Evolution or God????. . . .
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
OH LORD I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT AND BEHOLD, I DO BELIEVE.
Seriously man, stop mixing up your little faith with science because you can't win, and in the end you just end up playing with semantics. There is nothing to believe, like I said, the sky will always be blue whether you or I believe it or not.
Dude, that's the thing. We're both making our arguments based on science. The difference is the education of that science, and the presuppositionprior to interpreting it that goes behind it. If someone where looking at a dinosaur bone with the idea that there is a God, being the christian God, than they would assume that "it gave such an appearance as it does keeping in mind that the global flood and weight of water could possibly alter it's qualities".
Someone who has decided to deny what the bible has to say might take these altered "qualities" differently, saying "hmm these appear to show such and such indicating they would be this old. That is why christian science tends to agree with a 10,000 year old earth rather than a 4.5 billion year old one. That changes a lot of what secular science says, such as evolution (something that would take millions of years to occure). You see there is a very scientifically secure ground in which christianity stands on.
To put it this way, IF (for the sake of the argument here) the bible were correct, than using it as a scientific refrence would be the most accurate and intellegent way to propel scientific discovery. Think about it, the bible claims to be the "book of Life"...the "how to" book to how and what humanity is supposed to live (not by it's examples mind you, but by it's moral lessons when they are finally learned)...surely any wisdom and knowledge that humanity might gain in the field of science would come from God as humanity has this way of twisting thigns. IF the bible is true...but arguments against christianity that people claim to be from science are never that formidable...thought evolution caught on with a lot of people
Evolution or God????. . . .
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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars
Dude, that's the thing. We're both making our arguments based on science. The difference is the education of that science, and the presuppositionprior to interpreting it that goes behind it. If someone where looking at a dinosaur bone with the idea that there is a God, being the christian God, than they would assume that "it gave such an appearance as it does keeping in mind that the global flood and weight of water could possibly alter it's qualities".
Someone who has decided to deny what the bible has to say might take these altered "qualities" differently, saying "hmm these appear to show such and such indicating they would be this old. That is why christian science tends to agree with a 10,000 year old earth rather than a 4.5 billion year old one. That changes a lot of what secular science says, such as evolution (something that would take millions of years to occure). You see there is a very scientifically secure ground in which christianity stands on.
To put it this way, IF (for the sake of the argument here) the bible were correct, than using it as a scientific refrence would be the most accurate and intellegent way to propel scientific discovery. Think about it, the bible claims to be the "book of Life"...the "how to" book to how and what humanity is supposed to live (not by it's examples mind you, but by it's moral lessons when they are finally learned)...surely any wisdom and knowledge that humanity might gain in the field of science would come from God as humanity has this way of twisting thigns. IF the bible is true...but arguments against christianity that people claim to be from science are never that formidable...thought evolution caught on with a lot of people
and also keep in mind that IF the bible is correct, that means there is a darkness in our existance that lies to us and tries to skew our vision of reality. Therefor IF christianity exists as true, than mankind itself is under seige by the devil, and our vision of reality is, to put it bluntly, tampered with every day... there are beings out there who are opposed to it in every way, and in ever aspect of life, including those in the field of scientific research...so I have reason to suspect that science will be used in an attempt to thwart my religion
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to Pyramidsonmars...
Dude, let me just begin by saying i'm drunk off my ass, this new year's eve...
You suck... You view everything through your christian lens. I've been there. One day you will realize that it's all arbitrary.
Evolution or God????. . . .
Sorry for my first previous post, it was the esult of drunken stupour.......................... :eek:
to Pyramidsonmars...
Dude, let me just begin by saying i'm drunk off my ass, this new year's eve...
You suck... You view everything through your christian lens. I've been there. One day you will realize that it's all arbitrary. Nothing means anything. Everything is absolutely ,meaningless.
Why do we look at Roman/Greek mythology and say, "oh, that';s just a myth" and then we look at christianity, and we devote our LIFE to it... It's completely meaningless. Nothing means anything, we exist, and that's it. We have no point, there ius no God, and we just live and reproduce ourselves for no other reason than we have to.
I was sick, very sick. That was the final straw. now, I am well, but my faith is completely gone, I am as atheist as you will ever see, because there is NOTHING else out there than ourselves.
however, we still have an obligation to humanity in general to do good, to help one another. Because I have no God, does not m,ean I am not good. I respect my fellow human. I love you all, but I believe in no Jesus, in no God at all.
Ultimately, I believe in Humanity. I believe in the potential of the human being. We do not need God anymore, That's wher Nietzsche's "God is Dead" comes from. We are beyond God, beyond Good and Evil. Anyone who thinks in those terms is outdated, irrelevant!
We are. There is no ther explanation. It's useless for you to find one, no one said it better than Descartes, "I think therefore I am." You simply are. No one willed you to be, you have no ultimate purpose other than the continuation of our species.
Why should we believe in your mythology rather than Greek or Roman or Chinese or Egyptian mythology? That is tyhe essential question. There is no reason to believe one religion over another, and for you to claim that Christianity is the absolute trut is of the utmost arrogance.
I am Italian, I was raised Roman Catholic, I know what it is to be a real Christian. Yet, I have rejected it as soon as I was able to thini for myself. And you my friend, are the last of a dying breed, the religious people. Ojnhe day, you will all realize that everything means absolutely n othing in the long run. Life is meaningless. existence is meaningless. religion is meaningless. God is meaningless. Allah is meaningless. Yaweh is meaningless, as well as Buddha, Shiva, Vishnu, and Every7one else..
We exist, and we might as well make as much out of our existence as we possibly can. The potential of the Human Being is limitless. We can achieve Divinity, God represents our potential power. we can shape our world around us, as long as we stop fighting and killing each other based simply on differring points of view. and you, Pyramidsonmars, are just another brainwashed soldire, unable to think for yourself, for you have pledged yourself toa certain cause, and you view everything through that distorted lens.
Step back, start from scratch, be simply a Human Being, rather than a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Jew. That, my friend, is atheism. Acceptance of all of humanity, acceptance of truth, acceptance of reality, THAT is Atheism. Philosophy, Science, Un-contaminated TRUTH, that is reality. There is no God, there is no Allah, there is no Yawheh, There is no Jupiter or Zeus.
We are.
We are reality, we are the ultimate. whether we are European, or Jew, Arab or Chinese, We are. And that, IMO, Is the ultimate truth.
Evolution or God????. . . .
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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars
Dude, that's the thing. We're both making our arguments based on science. The difference is the education of that science, and the presuppositionprior to interpreting it that goes behind it. If someone where looking at a dinosaur bone with the idea that there is a God, being the christian God, than they would assume that "it gave such an appearance as it does keeping in mind that the global flood and weight of water could possibly alter it's qualities".
Someone who has decided to deny what the bible has to say might take these altered "qualities" differently, saying "hmm these appear to show such and such indicating they would be this old. That is why christian science tends to agree with a 10,000 year old earth rather than a 4.5 billion year old one. That changes a lot of what secular science says, such as evolution (something that would take millions of years to occure). You see there is a very scientifically secure ground in which christianity stands on.
I dont' see how you claim that both evolution and creationism are both based on presupposition. evolution is a science that grew and continues to grow and change based on new findings and evidence. the world is not this simple place where you choose your side and base your theory off it, real science is objectively analysing real evidence to find out as much as you can. all the bible is is a book of claims. there's no evidence or sceintific theory behind it's creation, it was created so as to spread the message that god has all your answers.
besides, the whole water pressure making dinosaur bones look old is just rediculous. besides the fact that there's no explanation as to where all the water came from and went, palaentologists didn't look at dinosaur bones and say "hey, you know that bone looks like it's..... let say 100 million years old". water pressure wouldn't change radioactive decay, wouldn't affect bone decay in the same way, and it doesn't account for there being varations in bone ages by as much as 200 million years and maybe more (speaking strictly of dinosaurs).
what it all comes down to is the bible doesn't actaully have any evidence other than trying find holes in other people's evidence.
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To Flesh:
Tu la rubella regazza con cu shue.
Evolution or God????. . . .
god created evolution, stfu already and get a new topic going, maybe one that can make an actual IMPACT on the world instead of bickering over something that isnt going to do us an ounce of shit.
god created evolution so that a single celled organism could evolve into humans and turn the world into shit while bickering over creationism and evolution.
Evolution or God????. . . .
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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
god created evolution, stfu already and get a new topic going, maybe one that can make an actual IMPACT on the world instead of bickering over something that isnt going to do us an ounce of shit.
god created evolution so that a single celled organism could evolve into humans and turn the world into shit while bickering over creationism and evolution.
good job, you've figured it out, uncovered all the answers, provided a solution to everything we ever wanted to know.... of course there's always the fools that dont' want to take your opinion as unquestionable fact.
Evolution or God????. . . .
im just kinda tired of seeing this thread continue to live on :D
shame on me for even posting in here :p
Evolution or God????. . . .
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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
im just kinda tired of seeing this thread continue to live on :D
shame on me for even posting in here :p
shame on us all then, as long as we're all shamed together :p .
but hey, as long as you don't click on a thread it can't bother you, the others in the meanwhile want to explore certain philosophies to the fullest extent.
