so whats wrong with being a liberal?

C'mon Amsterdam, you know he probably hasn't... even if he was, do you think he visited the parts where gun violence takes place? No way, why would he? Just let me clarify Kombucha... all the gun violence, once again, is black on black in shitty-ass ghettos... and is the fault of low law enforcement budget and a genral uncaringness op ALL politicians. Its NOT because we are a land of freedom where a citizen can bear arms. I bet the stats are equal to other countries in rural/suburban areas.... not shitty ass ghettos.

Bye the way, when you say that criminals just attack you out of nowhere, firing a shot with no warning, thats bullshit. They are doing it for a reason, most likely to rob you. Most criminals with guns are dumass crackhead who could'nt hit the broad side of a barn with an M60 machnegun. So, a citizen who knows his gun and can pull and fire quickley will almost always have the upper hand.

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Originally Posted by Kombucha

Why do you not understand? If a criminal attacks you with a gun, they clearly have the upped hand. You don't expect to be attacked right then, so you aren't ready to fight straight away are you. They are, because they know what they're doing.



No mention of how successful their attempts at self-defence are...



That's ridiculous... that means nothing. ONE child getting killed at school by a gun is too many. Just because a load more kids die from playing sport (for some reason) it doesn't mean that 22 deaths is ok.

I admit that guns aren't totally the problem. Unfortunately, it is the people. American people are, generally, far too paranoid and ignorant, and pay far too much attention to the media. Look at other countries, Britain is very similar to America is many ways, yet our murder rate is so much lower. We have almost no guns here, even the police can work safely without guns.



Right, so you, having been to Europe once or twice, know more about the situation here than we do? I don't know a single person in this country that has anything but contempt for America.

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europe is just as fucked as we are. the same people who own our shit own your shit. we're all going to be one big happy global government family one day.

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Just let me clarify Kombucha... all the gun violence, once again, is black on black in shitty-ass ghettos...

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So why do you all need guns then, if there's no gun crime elsewhere?

Thanks for that...let me see........

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

you might be a democrat if:

-you cant talk about foreign policy without using the word conspiracy.

-you think solar energy is being held back by those greedy oil companies.

-your high school year book goals included the words "help people"

-you actually expect to collect social security.

-you would rather own birkenstock rather than Merck stock

-you think the flat tax should be at 95%

-you admire the swedish welfare system

-you trust ted kennedy when he says she was driving

-you have ever said "we should really call the aclu about this."

-you keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category

-you believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career,but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.

-you think the free market is where they hand out govt. cheese.

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OK, I think perhaps we can assume there are 2 meanings to the term liberal here. One is the one given at the start of this thread.
The other is 'not a Republican American'

:D ;)
The reason for the second def. is that as a UK citizen, I've no idea about the intricate dealings of the Kennedy family, generally in the UK we dont have year books, whats the ACLU? (rht), loggings not a massive industry around this island :p , and finally, I dont think solar power is held back by the oil companies. the high production and installation costs on the other hand......


You got anything a bit non-US specific?

A side benefit to the legalization of drugs would be a significant decrease in crime, crime involving guns.

not only that, it would take the money out of it...it would create competition which would likely bring the prices down...as long as there's a big supply.

so there's a big downfall to legalization on behalf of the government drug runners who also run the war on drugs.

why dont we all just drop the guns....and take three steps back.

The way I see it, and like many people have already said, is that you are stupid to wholey embrace either a conservative or liberal set of beliefs. However, if I was asked to classify myself I would undoubtedly call myself a liberal, as most of my beliefs are more liberal than anything.

I belief abortions used as contraception are wrong, but I also see that abortions are often necessary, and so I am pro-choice.

I believe gay marriage should not be a matter for the government to decide, and so I am pro-choice.

I believe that all governments are corrupt, and if not then they soon will be.

I believe that guns, if possible, should not be used, though I do not think they should be banned. However, I do believe that more gun control does equal less gun crime.

I believe that no country should launch a pre-emptive strike on any other country unless there is absolute proof that doing so will save lives.

I am against cencorship and prohibition in any form.

I am for the complete seperation of church and state.

If i'm a liberal, then I dont give a shit - i'm a liberal. However, I will not ignore or rebuke a conservative view just because it is that; a conservative view. I believe everybody should listen to every point of view with an open mind, and make the decision based on the facts, not on whether the particular opinion is too liberal or too conservative. It is because of this that people like Hydrizzle and amsterdam wreck my head, as they are too quick to dismiss something as stupid because it is different to what they think.

Isnt time that the human race grew up and realized we have no need for this stupid system of oppression we call government. Fuck conservatives, fuck Liberals, fuck politicians. Throw down our self inflicted chains and realize that we dont need rules to do the right thing. Human beings are animals and most animals get along without the need of an institutionalized system of oppression to keep us in line. lets be better than the rest of the inhabitants of our planets and care for our entire species instead of killing eachother or letting each other suffer.Free your mind!!

right on, man! thats what i want, too.. but its not gonna happen anytime soon.. people are too greedy and sefish. :(