Do you believe in a god?

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

Sometimes you're boring, sometimes you're repetitive, now you're funny! If you would do some research on your own, you'd find that Jesus didn't performa single one of those miracles. Every single miracle attributed to Jesus in the Gospels had been performed, often in the exact same manner, by more ancient religious figures. Horus and Osiris, of the ancient Egyptians, pretty much cover them all, as well as some others. I already talke about the virgin births. Horus once changed water to wine. He also brought a man named El Lazar back to life (Lazarus, anyone?). Osiris died, went to the underworld, and came back to life.

Jesus' miracles were re-hashed from ancient religions and traditions, mostly ancient Egyptian ones. To place your faith in Jesus just because he performed miracles and "the ground shook and the sky darkened" when he died is ridiculous. If you say you love Jesus because he preached unconditional love, that's also laughable because you're the complete opposite. You preach war, death, forced conversion, hatred of everybody who's not like you. That's a far cry from Jesus Christ.

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Whatever you believe about Jesus Christ may be true it may not be true, but still, you can already see a HUGE difference between what those faiths teach compared to what Jesus/God taught.Unconditional love, the bible barely talks about anything else but forgiveness and loving others.Secondly, most faiths are probably unknowingly worshiping the same God without knowing it, I mean who's to say that the name 'Jesus' is really the name of the son of God? A religion may differ slightly when compared with another but at the end of the day you don't know.

Judaism,Christianity, and Islam all follow the 10 commandments. Man was created in Gods image. What is God's image? The 10 commandments. A theory for living. Your choice to live ritious or be a dick.

Be excellent to each other. Party on dudes!!!!!!!!!! :D

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Originally Posted by chosen1

I'm sorry but ur all chatting wet. I mean if we evolved ourselves from something, then how did that something come about, whichever way you want to put it someone must have created the universe, someone of higher power than the average human being.

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Certainly if it is improbable for all this matter and energy to come about from nothing, it is even MORE improbable for an infinite intelligence with superpowers to create all that matter and energy to come about from nothing. If you claim everything has a cause, therefore the universe had a cause, and that cause is god, what is the cause for god? It doesn't bear out, logically speaking. If you say god created himself, wouldn't it be just as reasonable to say the universe created itself?

You should definitely check out Bertrand Russell's Why I Am Not A Christian.

Their is no such thing as GOD!
go to these link's and find out for your self.
http://www.subversions.com
http://www.raelianews.org
http://www.rael.org

I dont believe in god, but im not going to completely close out the ability that there somehow might be one.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

You should definitely check out Bertrand Russell's Why I Am Not A Christian.

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I am glad to see that somebody else enjoyed this Russell piece. I first read it, years ago (pre-internet) in book form.

They also have THE TEN COMMANDMENTS by Joseph Lewis - which is a magnificent history, analysis and criticism of them. The hardcover book is hard to find, and expensive. Here it is:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/lewis/lewten0c.htm

"It has often been said that anything may be proved from the Bible; but before anything can be admitted as proved by the Bible, the Bible itself must be proved to be true; for if the Bible be not true, or the truth of it be doubtful, it ceases to have authority, and cannot be admitted as proof of anything." - Thomas Paine

The Tenth Commandment

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's
house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's
wife, nor his manservant, nor his
maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor
any thing that is thy neighbour's."

I highly recommend going to J. Lewis' book The Ten Commandments (online - see above) and finding the chapter about this commandment. There's some fascinating information here.

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Originally Posted by Ousted

Because religion fuels the ego. It makes man feel important, and as nomadherbman said its the idea of being significant that turns us onto religion. Religions (all religions) teach people that they MATTER, that the choices they make MATTER, whether they live or die MATTERS...to someone, somewhere. All religions have that in common. Religion will never ever go away as long as man has an ego to feed.

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that is all true, except not ALL religions, Buddhism has nothing to do with ego. Also early shinto.

I guess religion comes down to ego, fear of death, and a want to believe the universe has justice for everybody in the end (IE heaven and hell).

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Originally Posted by chosen1

Whatever you believe about Jesus Christ may be true it may not be true, but still, you can already see a HUGE difference between what those faiths teach compared to what Jesus/God taught.

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A religion may differ slightly when compared with another but at the end of the day you don't know.

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So which is it? Are the other faiths really HUGELY different, or do they "differ slightly"? It can't be both.

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Unconditional love, the bible barely talks about anything else but forgiveness and loving others.

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Oh?

http://www.bible.org/netbible/1sa15.htm
Then Samuel said to Saul, â??I was the one the Lord sent to anoint you as king over his people Israel. Now listen to what the Lord says. Here is what the Lord of hosts says: â??I carefully observed how the Amalekites opposed Israel along the way when Israel came up from Egypt. So go now and strike down the Amalekites. Destroy everything that they have. Donâ??t spare them. Put them to deathâ??man, woman, child, infant, ox, sheep, camel, and donkey alike.â??â?�

God orders genocide on the Amalekites because hundreds of years ago their ancestors got in the way of the Israelites when they were trying to cross the desert. And that's unconditional love and forgiveness? Or how about Noah's flood, where God decides to kill every creature on Earth because some humans irritated him, and was persuaded to keep alive two of every species. THAT'S unconditional love and forgiveness? Come on.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

So which is it? Are the other faiths really HUGELY different, or do they "differ slightly"? It can't be both.



Oh?

http://www.bible.org/netbible/1sa15.htm
Then Samuel said to Saul, â??I was the one the Lord sent to anoint you as king over his people Israel. Now listen to what the Lord says. Here is what the Lord of hosts says: â??I carefully observed how the Amalekites opposed Israel along the way when Israel came up from Egypt. So go now and strike down the Amalekites. Destroy everything that they have. Donâ??t spare them. Put them to deathâ??man, woman, child, infant, ox, sheep, camel, and donkey alike.â??â?�

God orders genocide on the Amalekites because hundreds of years ago their ancestors got in the way of the Israelites when they were trying to cross the desert. And that's unconditional love and forgiveness? Or how about Noah's flood, where God decides to kill every creature on Earth because some humans irritated him, and was persuaded to keep alive two of every species. THAT'S unconditional love and forgiveness? Come on.

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Howdy ermitonto,

God is both a loving God and a wrathful God,and He sent His only Son,to deliver a message of unconditional love.

I would like to know more about the Amalekites..maybe their culture was so revolting and blasphemous,that God decided to exert His Wrath upon them..after all..in your world of belief,those who oppose God,Jesus Christ and Christianity,can never do anything wrong or immoral..do you not percieve that those who pursue Light,are Evil..and that those who pursue Darkness,are Good ?

Have a good one ...