what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by porone
The media have said that they will film the tranactions, IDs , and maybe fingerprints or whatever.It all goes to a data base to be shared between the fed, state and local agentcies.Nothing good can come from that.Who do you think is realy driving the fear?Its the ones who wnat to shut down 80 percent.They tell the media the media prints.Most cannabis users do not trust the government and they know it.First they take your mony and make you sign away your rights then they scrare your customers away.Im not afraid I keep fighting for my rights Im trying keep as many as possible. I have seen first hand how the CBI DEA and Locals get to gether and how they work.It aint purdy
But your transactions are already recorded at most shops. All of them should have your ID. I haven't seen fingerprinting anywhere, if you could source that I'd appreciate it.
No one knows who has database access yet or at what level. And everyone can agree that law enforcement should have 24/7 access.
MMC's are the ones who should be afraid, not patients. You're right, WE signed away our rights. The Fed wants OUR butts if they hate MMJ.
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by porone
You trust the government far more than most people I know.
Thinking about it , I cant think of a reason to trust them at any level.They have proven to me that they are untrustworthy
...and incompetent.
what happened at the meeting today?
another thing to consider when you think about acceptance of this is the privacy policies of most retailers would not allow this type of information sharing, even about buying normal stuff. Like books or beer or oranges.
Can you imagine if liquor stores thought about having a network to track consumption? Or even ice cream shops? People don't want to be tracked in such a way.
If you want to keep track of valid vs expired or forged cards, just use the number and expiration date.
It seems like a solution looking for a problem to me.
what happened at the meeting today?
There's nothing in the presentation to indicate they are going to track consumption or patient purchases, anonymously or otherwise. She says she's going to track dispensaries, growers and infused product manufacturers. They're going to crawl up MMCs' asses, but I see little threat to patient privacy. I see no reason to believe this system will provide the government with any information about me not contained in the registry. The rules for LE checking the registry are not changing, (you must be stopped or arrested for police to check your registry status) but only the method and celerity of the check. Giving them the ability to check 24/7 means patients won't be detained pending a registry check, but can be released quickly without further inconvenience.
I think these concerns are unfounded. Unless there's more to the story than is shown in the presentation, all this talk about tracking patient purchases and medical records, and opening up all of that information to various law enforcement organs has been manufactured out of thin air. This is an IT story about integrating two databases and providing police with a means to check them electronically.
It's good that the ACLU is involved, though. Their lawyers are the best in the nation at what they do, and this topic bears on several of their key issues: medical privacy, drug law reform and the privacy problems presented by technology.
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by copobo
another thing to consider when you think about acceptance of this is the privacy policies of most retailers would not allow this type of information sharing, even about buying normal stuff. Like books or beer or oranges.
Can you imagine if liquor stores thought about having a network to track consumption? Or even ice cream shops? People don't want to be tracked in such a way.
If you want to keep track of valid vs expired or forged cards, just use the number and expiration date.
It seems like a solution looking for a problem to me.
Most retailers don't sell a schedule 1 drug. Would you be in favor of leo doing stings at mmcs (similar to liquor stores) instead of a confidential database that tracked you by patient number?
what happened at the meeting today?
what happened at the meeting today?
page 45 deals with camras on the sale and your ID
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Most retailers don't sell a schedule 1 drug. Would you be in favor of leo doing stings at mmcs (similar to liquor stores) instead of a confidential database that tracked you by patient number?
is leo going to start stings at pain clinics? you know, the docs that sling oxy scripts as freely as mj is dispensed at mmcs? that shit will fucken kill you. Cannabis WON'T. We need to keep reminding them of the harmless nature of cannabis. WTF is the need for stings?
It's like tracking peanut butter.
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Tracking by MMR# would be a good solution.
Before a purchase, a MMC would scan the card, card info gets sent to the MMR, MMR gives the yea/nay, MMC gets the ok on their monitor. I wouldn't want the database to keep purchases for a long period, but maybe 30 days would work. This makes a lot more sense to me.
what happened at the meeting today?
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Originally Posted by copobo
is leo going to start stings at pain clinics? you know, the docs that sling oxy scripts as freely as mj is dispensed at mmcs? that shit will fucken kill you. Cannabis WON'T. We need to keep reminding them of the harmless nature of cannabis. WTF is the need for stings?
It's like tracking peanut butter.
Peanut butter doesn't have a resale value on the street, though. I don't think it's about harm, either. A patient is only allowed to possess two ounces at a time. If someone is buying a pound a day from various MMC's, I think there should be a way to flag them in the system.
@porone: I've read it front to back. It's hard for me to get too worked up over rulemaking sessions, same for the 20 different drafts of 1284. The camera over the sale I believe is just there to verify that the number on the scale is what the MMC is entering into the computer. And once again, everyone is already on camera everywhere they shop.
Once again, what do you think they're going to do with this information? Selectively prosecute you at a federal level for small amounts of cannabis? Leak your name to your insurance company? It all seems far fetched to me.
And once again (again), I'd be much more concerned about a poorly run shop having this information than the Department of Revenue. Poor internet security, a break in or a change in ownership can all lead to your confidential information being released.