One Brown Mouse

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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver

Actually now you are spinning what you said... You said...

Is it not true that commercial growers have to follow the same rules as far as counts other than the 5 patient rule? Why would you automatically assume that they are compliant and that a caregiver/grower is not?? What if the center has more plants than they are supposed to?

To answer your questions about me..
I'm fully compliant.
I don't feel that leo will treat non compliant caregivers any different than non compliant dispensaries. I also don't feel they will treat either anywhere near to how they would treat a meth lab. I feel that was just a rediculous assumption by you to try to make caregiver/growers look like the bad guy.

Do you think for a second that they are not going to be visiting registered caregivers houses?

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Thank you for taking the time to post intelligently.

First, I am just playing devil's advocate, and I am only referring to large scale home grows that are now out of compliance with state law and therefore illegal. Again, I am thinking of an example like the guy in highlands ranch, not a small scale caregiver.

I am assuming that any MMC still open is compliant with vertical integration, licensing fees et cetera. I don't have a problem with some sort of enforcement of those laws, but I have a problem with cameras, auditors, etc.

For the purposes of this discussion, I am referring only to large scale grows, people who didn't marry up to an MMC. Let's assume a hundred plants? I don't even know what would be considered a large scale grow like that. I'm referring about caregivers who might have been totally compliant who just had lots of patients so they can have large grows. Those are the people who are against 1284. The people who want to grow but not pay the fees, licenses etc.

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

I have been fully outspoken about my use, my history, etc. I am not scared to post my name or anything like that.

My only agenda is getting access to quality, affordable medicine. That's it.

You, however, seem to have another agenda entirely. Why don't you disclose your biases before you insult others or call them names.

This is my point. Non compliant caregivers aren't going away, they are going back under ground.

If you wanted to pay the money, you non-compliant caregivers could get legal. You chose not to, and now you are operating outside the law. This is something that I'm certain you all don't like, and it's easy to 'blame' and attack MMC's, I guess everyone needs an enemy.

I'm just trying to point out that hating or directing your vitriol at MMC's is wrong, and in my opinion, it's totally ignorant for someone to say that MMC's don't carry quality meds, because most do. Your biased make you hate MMC's, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you should at least announce your biases and not play behind your anonymous internet account. MMC's put themselves out there, you non-compliant home growers refuse to come out of the shadows, and now you get to deal with those repercussions with 1284 and 109.

Get yourselves motivated to have fresh legislation that removes the 5 patient limit, and everyone is happy. But you all are going to be the ones to do it, and you're facing a tough battle. Your energy should be directed somewhere other than MMC's.

My opinion.

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My only agenda is to keep you from trying to make me look like a criminal.

I'm compliant. Why are you insinuating that I'm not compliant? Under ground? I'm registered with the state. LOL

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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver

My only agenda is to keep you from trying to make me look like a criminal.

I'm compliant. Why are you insinuating that I'm not compliant? Under ground? I'm registered with the state. LOL

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I'm not accusing you of a crime, I am simply using the proverbial 'you'. You just seem to come from a position of knowledge.

I am discussing non compliant grows, not any specific situation, and I don't know you so I am certainly not suggesting you are non compliant, sorry about that. Just discussing what this legislation means and why people on this site are so pissed off.

I see where you are coming from, that registering with the state poses potential problems. I agree that caregivers shouldn't have to register.

Surely you understand the dynamic that with all these news reports on abuse of the application process, large scale busts, etc. Of course the old people who vote called for reform, it sucks that no one stuck up for you caregivers. It really seems like you got the shaft.

Springs,

As a caregiver who is being forced to drop patients, what do you think is a good solution? The state has chosen to draw the line at five patients. Should the limit be raised to ten patients? Should the limit be discarded?

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

Sigh... was looking forward to his response.

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Nobody cares that you use to deal with crappy caregivers all the time, no matter how many times ya say it. Does that mean you can go posting everywhere that caregivers don't care about their patients? NO, and it's bad for you're business. What kind of business owner would be ignorant enough to bad mouth potential customers? YOU! But hey, when you have a strong hold in a monopoly that the govt doesn't even regulate the pricing in, it doesn't really matter if the caregivers and their excess patients shop at your shop.

I just wonder why you're the only "center" bad mouthing caregivers, whether its that they don't have normal operating hours, don't deliver on time, have shitty meds, deliver out of their car etc, etc. Are you hurting for business that bad where you feel the need to bad mouth caregivers on the radio as well? Dealers, my bad, thats the word you were using instead. I don't get it, nor do i really care, just want to let the people know you're true colors. I'm gonna hang out at ICMAG for a while, I suggest you take their advice and go back to weed maps. The people there have already caught on and would like to know why theres so much anti-grower sentiment coming from you. :rastasmoke:

well this thread has gone nowhere. To rewind. Best of luck and wishing her success in all her endeavors. Kathleen is a true advocate from "back in the day". Big Ups, Again.

See what I mean now cologrower420? You questioned the rules in here and I explained them and even gave a link to the guidelines but STILL people have to push the limits. Well, have fun all because I'll be back later to take the action promised. I do thank you though for being the civil one...;)

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

See what I mean now cologrower420? You questioned the rules in here and I explained them and even gave a link to the guidelines but STILL people have to push the limits. Well, have fun all because I'll be back later to take the action promised. I do thank you though for being the civil one...;)

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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I feel like I am going out of my way to remain polite, and I really hope you save the most posts that you can.

I would really like to continue discussing topics like this, I just wish we could control the noise, but this might be a fitting death for this thread.

I'm still waiting for a coherent response from someone with different views. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

I'm not accusing you of a crime, I am simply using the proverbial 'you'. You just seem to come from a position of knowledge.

I am discussing non compliant grows, not any specific situation, and I don't know you so I am certainly not suggesting you are non compliant, sorry about that. Just discussing what this legislation means and why people on this site are so pissed off.

I see where you are coming from, that registering with the state poses potential problems. I agree that caregivers shouldn't have to register.

Surely you understand the dynamic that with all these news reports on abuse of the application process, large scale busts, etc. Of course the old people who vote called for reform, it sucks that no one stuck up for you caregivers. It really seems like you got the shaft.

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I actually have no problem regestering, as long as it's confidential, I dont think many caregivers do. It makes it a legitimate business.
Federal law is my worry and the state giving up the info. That's why alot of people refuse to fill out the new dispensary application. You have to release confidentiality. So if the federal stance changes again you will be getting raided by the DEA if you are at 99+ plants.

What I have a problem with is being limited in how much business I can do and who I can do business with. What am I supposed to do with extra meds? If dispensaries can trade between each other why cant caregivers? Or why cant caregivers sell extra meds to dispensaries or other legal patients?
I could understand if they took the stance of...
Look we dont want over X ammount of plants in a residntial grow once you get to that level you need to look into getting a commercial building. That's not how it is though.. You have to be a "center". There is no building your business from the ground up. You either have 50-100k or you don't. Even if I did have it I wouldn't fill out that application until the federal government reschedules the classification of cannibis. Good luck to those who did.

Then I come to one of the places I get to vent my frustrations and see garbage like this.

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

Plus, aren't 'commercial growers' assumed to be compliant with state law, while 'growers' can be assumed to be breaking the law, and nothing more than drug traffickers, no better than someone operating a meth lab?

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Maybe you meant to say 'noncompliant growers". But if you are going to call out one of the mods for not proof reading and grammical errors I would assume you're checking yours. So to me it was you trying to mislead people and now trying to spin it.

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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver

What I have a problem with is being limited in how much business I can do and who I can do business with.What am I supposed to do with extra meds? If dispensaries can trade between each other why cant caregivers? Or why cant caregivers sell extra meds to dispensaries or other legal patients?

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There's an interesting dynamic playing out. Commercial growers (or retailers, or MMCs or whatever word you choose) like Kathleen want the freedom to operate without state regulation, as caregivers do. Meanwhile, you and other caregivers want patient and plant counts removed so they can serve an unlimited number of patients, as MMCs do. Each group wants to enjoy the benefits of the other, but is not willing to accept the limitations. Irony.