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Looks yummy.
Time will tell. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by neceros
It was quite delicious, and also, it was quite rapidly GONE, as a friend liked it so much he traded me my entire crop for a full QP of GDP, plus tons of fresh genetics that he's spent several years getting stabilized.Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
I still have the krusty bucket going - the central cola is just HUGE, about 15-18 inches.
8 clones was definitely too much - looks like 4 clones per approximate square foot is the max.
And as soon as I'm done with this bucket (or maybe before) I'm pushing my NFT system into the closet. I finally got my channels, and lids, and I've been busy getting them prepped for use. Pic included!
One clone was too weak, and had to be pulled out. The central cola is so heavy that it fell towards the blank spot, which I don't mind as that leaves more room for the other colas.
Now I know 4 is about the best I can do in a bucket that size.
The central cola is so huge, it is 15 inches tall from the bottom buds to the top. The bottom is about as wide as my fist bud-wise, and the tip is almost 50% larger than the width of my thumb.
I can't wait. Once this has been pulled, I'm going to have 5 NFT channels in there. I'll do a rotation with these, as well.
I think I can squeeze 5 channels into a 4 gallon bucket. I just need to do some creative lid work.
I'd really like to see some good genetics under the LED's for bloom. I've heard that HID buds are fatter and more productive, and the ghetto genetics make it look that much worse. :(
I'm using the 120w panel I got from you in my veg area, and it rocks! I have a patient now, and might be ordering another panel if everything else falls in line.:thumbsup::jointsmile:
Pic 1: My tomato under LED!
Pic 2: HID Blueberry day 27.
The panels most certainly rock hard during veg. I've got a new box that will soon become a new flowering chamber once the current plants in the box recover from the nasty heat wave we had this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
BTW nice flower on the tomato plant. Looks rather large. Nice buds, too.
I'm not sure where best to talk with you about your LED experience. I wonder if you could sum up where your at in LED tech right now. You can keep the science in ur head as I trust your the expert. What I want is your opinion on what to be looking for if I were to go the LED route. I live in a place where heat is a bad issue about 8 months out of the year. I am also growing in a confined place which has a 4' vertical limit as I also choose to clone and raise mothers lower down in the same place. For now the system is stable, but man oh man is my electric bill a bitch. I have to run ac to the space nearly 24 hours a day, exhaust fans, duct fans, all of it to cool off my 600 watt HPS.
Having grown with vegged with T5's for a few months, I'm starting to really appreciate the benefits of lower heat and less electricity. I'd like to see about replacing my 600hps with either T5's or LED's for flowering too, but I'm too afraid I wouldn't replicate what I have or at least close to it. I probably have too much light given the space, which is 2x3x36-40" (which is max height I will let them get). I know both tech's tend not to radiate light which IMO makes them all the better suited for situations where you have a limited floor space footprint.
Are LED's still cost prohibitive for the average Joe? Which paths should I be researching. Maybe T5's are the better solution since I know enough about them to create them from scratch and I know they are nearly as cheap as LED's and likely nearly as effective.
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Originally Posted by Prodaytrader
I'm using LED for veging, since that's where it really rocks out:cool: The 120w LED certainly whooped up on the 400w Hortilux "Blue" MH I was running. the peppers STOPED stretching, the MJ slowed down on the stretch, and tightened up node spacing. So at least for veg, I'd agree with the statement of 120w LED = 600w HID.
I'd say looking at your setup in your log that the LED's would be fine for the area your flowering. I'm flowering about the same size space, (taller ceiling and a foot longer 33x53x72") under only 400w HPS I'm not packing plants in there like that, but there isn't much room for sure. Heat isn't as much an issue as I'm sure your having, but it's enough that I'm air cooling my light, I can get my hand about 2" away before I really start feeling heat, but the LED I can actually touch the glass (Not that I recommend it, but I had to try! :stoned: ) and only feel warmth! :rastasmoke:
I haven't tried flowering under LED, might do a side by side sometime in the future depending on how things pan out. I've heard that LED produces smaller/denser buds than HID, some consider it a good thing. At least one local grower I've spoken to say's it's more about better quality vs higher quantity.
As for price,... expect to pay around $300-350 for something to replace your 600,... and prices for the even larger panels (1000w equivalent) I've heard can verge on 1k! :eek: It's spendy, but figure the life span is several times longer, and power use is considerably less.
so 120 input watts is about the size of a 400 watt hps give or take. I understand the math may be fuzzy for this discussion.
Next question: do you change the spectrum around or just stick with 3000k. Do LED's even have a color temperature similar to T5's or HPS? Besides the color what type or size LED is best to consider, or does the 120watt figure pretty much assume a certain LED size? I keep hearing different stuff about 3 watt lED's vs 1 Watt. Just not sure what to look for in the actual LED itself, not that I intend to build it, I just want to make sure whatever fixture I pick has the right LED inside and the right colors.
There I can't help you, I'm no tech, just reporting my opinion and limited experience.
I've heard the 3w LED's are better than 1w, and anything less than 1w is junk no matter how many they pack in there. Something to do with the spread of the light emission too. But again, I'm not a tech and this is pretty much just hearsay.
As far as the spectrum, not certain here (not a tech guru), but they only emit one wavelength of light per LED, so it's not really a ??whatever??k light. It's 660 nanometer or 430nm or whatever, per any given LED.
The one I have has 3 bandwidths of light,(red, red/orange, and blue) and to the human eye seems purple. Plants look black under it. Any problems seem to magnify, a slightly yellowed leaf under HID looks white under LED and is easy to spot. Again tho, this is just my experience after the first 2 weeks under LED for veg.
Perhaps Kitsune can help enlighten as to more detail there. The exact science would be interesting to know.