Anyone else horrified their tax dollars buy death?
Ah yes, the Monroe Doctrine...one of the more oppressive and fucked-up things ever passed. The world order you described is one of the scariest things I've ever imagined....a world where the U.S. controls everything, including oxygen, and has crippled other nations' economies? What a nightmare. Let's hope LolaGal never rules the world (although I like your idea about leaving the Middle East alone...the rest of it is fucked).
Rusty...I hope education standards become much more anti-government and anti-authoritarian, and fast. Students are still taught that the government's values are sound even if its actions are sometimes questionable, and that duty and obedience are virtues. I try not to let my near-radical views get twisted by peer pressure, fanatical teachings of a failed education system, or a media bias.
FreshNugz...I feel your spirituality, brother. Whatever's out there/up there/whatever, any reasonable mind can guarantee that no doctrinaire faith has come anywhere remotely close to figuring it out, despite their arrogant claims.
Anyone else horrified their tax dollars buy death?
Overgrow,
The Monroe doctrine was actually not pro world intervention. The Truman doctrine was. What was referred to as the Monroe Doctrine was revealed in Monroe's 1823 Annual Message to Congress.
"Monroe's declaration underlined the United States' determination not to act in world affairs as a satellite of Britain."
and
"that the United States should not interfere with already established European colonies in the Western Hemisphere."
Source: Nation of Nations: A Narrative History of the American Republic. 5th Ed. Montreal:Mcgraw Hill. 2005.
It was simply a differentiation of actions by Britain and America, similar to ours in Canada from Britain. In 1982.
Rusty, I'm unsure whether or not you're saying that I didn't present good discourse. But none the less, glad you accepted my compliment about your gardening. hah
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Originally Posted by FreshNugz
Overgrow,
The Monroe doctrine was actually not pro world intervention. The Truman doctrine was. What was referred to as the Monroe Doctrine was revealed in Monroe's 1823 Annual Message to Congress.
"Monroe's declaration underlined the United States' determination not to act in world affairs as a satellite of Britain."
and
"that the United States should not interfere with already established European colonies in the Western Hemisphere."
Source: Nation of Nations: A Narrative History of the American Republic. 5th Ed. Montreal:Mcgraw Hill. 2005.
It was simply a differentiation of actions by Britain and America, similar to ours in Canada from Britain. In 1982.
Rusty, I'm unsure whether or not you're saying that I didn't present good discourse. But none the less, glad you accepted my compliment about your gardening. hah
The Monroe Doctrine (yes, 1823) also declared that the U.S. wouldn't tolerate the imposition of any new rule by a European power over any peoples of the Americas--Britain and France and the Dutch and so forth would get to keep what they had (Britain was so much more powerful than the U.S. at this point that this went without saying), but Spain would not be permitted to reclaim any of its former New World territory, and no power could try to expand. This was America declaring its turf, claiming its sphere of influence and power, much like the Soviets with the Eastern bloc or WWII Japan with East Asia.
Since the Monroe Doctrine, countless armed interventions have been carried out in the Western hemisphere, involving annexing new territory, setting up puppets and banana republics, getting their claws in Latin American nations' economies, etc. You're right about the Truman Doctrine being pro world intervention...it expanded the Monroe Doctrine's territory to include the entire planet. It tends to be the common belief that the U.S. was noninterventionist under WWII, but it wasn't, it was just more covert beforehand and didn't openly wage wars (with a few exceptions: Spanish-American, for example).
Anyone else horrified their tax dollars buy death?
Although I've been covered medically for the past 20 years through my union,millions of hard working Americans are not covered...The price of a college education also sux...
I'm pretty sure we'll never see it in our lifetimes and it probably will never come to be,but it would be nice to have socialized medical and education choices as they have in Canada and England...
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Perhaps you should read it slower. :jointsmile:
I understood it the first time, thanx. There are a few of us on here that have lived history, while others here can only read about it.
Anyone else horrified their tax dollars buy death?
When speaking of war I have an extra pause and think of all my friends I lost by death in Viet Nam.
This war, Bush admitted, was a result of 'bad intell' No disfunction in D.C. though, they'll finish what we started, one way or another-even if we pull out. we'll be back.
Should we do as suggested and bomb from one side of the hills throughout, we would have kept on thru Pakistan and Iraq, plus a few others on the way. Like chasing ants in the house with Raid.
Religion and war seem to be related, whether we want it to be or not.
I am not horrified my tax dollars buy death! Ultimately, that is the goal of life! What horrifies me is: Paying my taxes and not having my civil rights!! As a female causcasion--I am sure that puts me at the brown end of the stick.
I check my property taxes and from one year 2006 (when things weren't too bad yet) to now and it is up $100. Seems unfair, as everything is so high and wages, disability, SS and other benefits of the right to pay have gone to the wayside. When taxpayers can file bankruptcy on taxes is the day the Gov't will listen! Why, cause they will have to woo us to love our Gov't to want to pay for all the services, etc. we directly feel the effect of. And when my lazy assed old next door neighbor got up 20 min earlier in the AM to drive his brand new truck to take his 'poor' children to school to get fed--well, made me sick! they got free Bfst, lunch and after school snacks! Those kids were fat! Why, they came home to go out to eat every night!!
Our taxes buy illness, breeds idiots and the cream of the crop is here, hiding because we want our right to a medication that should and could grow in the wild! Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying the cream of the crop of illness and idiots are here, quite the opposite!
We can worry ourselves to death worried about innocent lives being lost at war and some will and have! Unfortunately, we still have to pay our tax and it is a privilege to live in a world that is has freedom to express what this is.
A good thread and certainly enlightening.
If I were 19, I would like all 19 yr. old to be worried about it. But, most are not, they are worried of how to get the next free download to an ipod or MP3 or whatever those things are. And at my age, I have seen enough to know, 'change' simply means from one person to the next with hope they can make a difference and find; they need to figure out how to 'work' the system in order to fix it!
Too bad we can't say, 'hey, time-out!' Re-structure and try to keep our $ at home and mind our own business. Get our civil rights first and then fight for everyone else's. And toss the Religion out of the Gov't.!
I feared SS would not be here for me when I was 20 and it will remain that way. Until . ... same old problem, just a different day! p/r :wtf:
Anyone else horrified their tax dollars buy death?
My main issue, I suppose, is that the U.S. government can afford to spend 500 billion dollars a year on the military and additional billions on persecuting weed...but there isn't any money to provide health care services or to do something, anything, about the appallingly ubiquitous poverty and economic inequality. Tax dollars could go towards a world of good, but instead it goes towards bombs, anti-drug propaganda, and favours for fat and greedy CEOs. And what's with churches being tax-free?....taxing the living hell out of them would provide a shitload of revenue.
Yes, religion and war are related, hence the faith-based delusions of moral superiority on both sides. Back to taxing churches...if they had to pay for the war, they might stop yelling for it so loudly.
As a conscientious objector, I should have the right to demand that not one penny of my taxes go towards the military, but apparently personal ideals and convictions do not matter to a government that takes an individual's income and does with it what they please. That would be like taking a Palestinian refugee's tax dollars and spending it on Israeli aid. Total lack of respect.
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Originally Posted by MadSativa
My favorite words I heard coming out of a guy in the Army was.......we build bridges and churches, so the Marines can come and blow them up.
just had to clarify thats not entirly true, I have heard great words from men and women in the US ARMY.
those words were out of an engineers mouth and he had every right to be pissed off.
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You the Canadian living in a socialized nation that censors the facts and truths and who's government dictates what you can say about what and who and whom... has what to say?:mad:
By way of your totally slanted, pathetically parroted moveon.org dump of liberalism....you're either drinking waaaaay too much liberal/humanist KoolAid...
Or your bud has been peeeeeded and stepped on.
Making a moral equivalent of Islamic terrorists to the USA and ''the West'' is pure and willful stupidity at its worse.
Ohhhh.....your " vastly more intelligent than any of my grandparents, so age is really only the most rudimentary guideline"
is soooooo clueless of you.
Telling as well.
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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
It is not "narrow-minded" to be aware of the fact that the Western world wages war for its own self-serving agendas and feeds the public shameless propaganda about "defending our freedom" and so forth. Defending the oppressive global status quo, more like.
All the U.S. or Canadian military personnel do is waste billions of dollars on killing people halfway across the world so Haliburton can get a nice juicy contract over there, so it irritates me to no end that their undeserved salaries will be coming out of our pockets (I "support the troops" by advocating that they be brought back home in one piece, before it's too late).
As for 9/11, it was of course a horrendous spectacle, but it has been argued by some (notably Ward Churchill, who was basically tarred and feathered after that) as the natural and inevitable response to decades of raping the Middle East. The deaths in the two towers are nothing compared to the unspeakably evil carnage wrought over there. I mean, seriously, the U.S. initiates countless explosions and incidents of civilian death over there, and then acts shocked and appalledwhen it gets handed back to them.
Mississippi Steve, I acknowledge you as my senior but ask that my views (based upon reading and worldly knowledge) not be automatically dismissed simply on account of my youth. I'm vastly more intelligent than any of my grandparents, so age is really only the most rudimentary guideline.
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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
Mississippi Steve, I acknowledge you as my senior but ask that my views (based upon reading and worldly knowledge) not be automatically dismissed simply on account of my youth. I'm vastly more intelligent than any of my grandparents, so age is really only the most rudimentary guideline.
Most all of us have vastly more education than our grandparents. Its not so much age, but lifes experiences that count.
But being as your a conciencious objector an all......
