What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by daihashi
People look to god to give them strength to make decisions every day. If believing in something gives you the strength to make very difficult decisions then I see no fault in that.
I just wanted to say a few things on the topic of religion in politics. It seems that there are many debates on if it matters or why it matters. If, historically, Christianity played a miniscule role in societal evolution... this wouldn't be a discussion. It would just be a personal belief that she held sacred... in private. However, this is not the case. While we all preach that humans are allowed freedom to choose or not choose to follow a religion.... we are truly selective as to which faiths we approve of. When a politician claims that "God," has told them something... from a truly objective viewpoint... it is similar to a schizophrenic person claiming they hear voices. There is no possible way to prove or disprove either side. So, to someone that has not adopted a particular religious belief... it honestly is like hearing the ramblings of mental illness.
I ask everyone... what would this discussion be about if Gov. Palin had claimed that:
"The ancient Egyptian diety Bat has instructed me to push for a pipeline in Alaska?" Like I said, we have essentially given Christianity a free pass to influence society in many small, and seemingly insignificant ways. To a person who has the Constitutional right to observe a different religion or none at all, this is a very scary reality. While most people stereotype Christians as a hug giving, happy go lucky group... they have, historically, been responsible for some of the most horrific actions the world has ever seen. People have the right to be hesitant... skeptical... afraid. With the REALITY that we can not prove or disprove a religion... how is a cult leader/follower any different than a church-going Christian? They are both basing their daily life on a FAITH based belief. With the argument that it doesn't matter and won't necessarily be an influence in forming policies... what if she was Wiccan? Satanic? (gasp) Muslim?
In modern times we have treated new-wave religious movements as "fanatical cults," even though the basic idea of the groups are almost identical.
I think this is why there is such a commotion over this whole situation. While it is easy for many to say that her faith will not play a role in shaping policy... it is equally difficult for others to ignore it. The depth of most religious beliefs go back to childhood. To claim that it won't have an influence is on their adult life is absolutely absurd. Whether that influence will be positive or negative on society is a TOTALLY different argument. But again, that implies that what is positive for one is the same for another.
We have all seen that religions are NOT perfect like everyone wishes they were. Dedicated followers of ALL religions have participated in awful acts of violence, abuse, and deceit. For an outsider, Christians are no different than Satanists. Fundamentally they are just two different groups, basing their belief structure on an "imaginary" diety. I always have to say... this does NOT mean that Christians and Satanists are BOTH evil groups. It also does not imply that Christians are good and Satanists are bad. All I am trying to say is that they TRULY are the exact same thing. Bad... good... irrelevant. They are both just organizations of people that believe that what they have FAITH in... is true. We can not prove or disprove either one.
With ALLLLL that said... What would this discussion look like if she went to the Temple of Set and spoke? An offshoot of the Church of Satan... which was even established by retired Lt. Colonel of the US Army Michael Aquino. He is supposedly instructed by the Egyptian God Set. With the absolute understanding that his claims are equally justified, and potentially true, as ANY politician making similar claims... I think we all know that one is considered a "fanatic nutcase," and one is simply a bible-toting Christian.
It is the essence of hypocrisy... and I think, the catalyst for all of the misunderstandings regarding this topic.
Fuck... I need to smoke :jointsmile:
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by TheMetal1
I ask everyone... what would this discussion be about if Gov. Palin had claimed that:
"The ancient Egyptian diety Bat has instructed me to push for a pipeline in Alaska?"
Well, this would be clearly crazy because God is real and Bat is just a man. In fact, he is the Batman!
BATMAN!
BATMAN!
BATMAN!
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by TheMetal1
I just wanted to say a few things on the topic of religion in politics. It seems that there are many debates on if it matters or why it matters. If, historically, Christianity played a miniscule role in societal evolution... this wouldn't be a discussion. It would just be a personal belief that she held sacred... in private. However, this is not the case. While we all preach that humans are allowed freedom to choose or not choose to follow a religion.... we are truly selective as to which faiths we approve of. When a politician claims that "God," has told them something... from a truly objective viewpoint... it is similar to a schizophrenic person claiming they hear voices. There is no possible way to prove or disprove either side. So, to someone that has not adopted a particular religious belief... it honestly is like hearing the ramblings of mental illness.
I ask everyone... what would this discussion be about if Gov. Palin had claimed that:
"The ancient Egyptian diety Bat has instructed me to push for a pipeline in Alaska?" Like I said, we have essentially given Christianity a free pass to influence society in many small, and seemingly insignificant ways. To a person who has the Constitutional right to observe a different religion or none at all, this is a very scary reality. While most people stereotype Christians as a hug giving, happy go lucky group... they have, historically, been responsible for some of the most horrific actions the world has ever seen. People have the right to be hesitant... skeptical... afraid. With the REALITY that we can not prove or disprove a religion... how is a cult leader/follower any different than a church-going Christian? They are both basing their daily life on a FAITH based belief. With the argument that it doesn't matter and won't necessarily be an influence in forming policies... what if she was Wiccan? Satanic? (gasp) Muslim?
In modern times we have treated new-wave religious movements as "fanatical cults," even though the basic idea of the groups are almost identical.
I think this is why there is such a commotion over this whole situation. While it is easy for many to say that her faith will not play a role in shaping policy... it is equally difficult for others to ignore it. The depth of most religious beliefs go back to childhood. To claim that it won't have an influence is on their adult life is absolutely absurd. Whether that influence will be positive or negative on society is a TOTALLY different argument. But again, that implies that what is positive for one is the same for another.
We have all seen that religions are NOT perfect like everyone wishes they were. Dedicated followers of ALL religions have participated in awful acts of violence, abuse, and deceit. For an outsider, Christians are no different than Satanists. Fundamentally they are just two different groups, basing their belief structure on an "imaginary" diety. I always have to say... this does NOT mean that Christians and Satanists are BOTH evil groups. It also does not imply that Christians are good and Satanists are bad. All I am trying to say is that they TRULY are the exact same thing. Bad... good... irrelevant. They are both just organizations of people that believe that what they have FAITH in... is true. We can not prove or disprove either one.
With ALLLLL that said... What would this discussion look like if she went to the Temple of Set and spoke? An offshoot of the Church of Satan... which was even established by retired Lt. Colonel of the US Army Michael Aquino. He is supposedly instructed by the Egyptian God Set. With the absolute understanding that his claims are equally justified, and potentially true, as ANY politician making similar claims... I think we all know that one is considered a "fanatic nutcase," and one is simply a bible-toting Christian.
It is the essence of hypocrisy... and I think, the catalyst for all of the misunderstandings regarding this topic.
Fuck... I need to smoke :jointsmile:
Sorry to go straight to the Batman thing after you put so much work into this post. This was a very well-thought-out post.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
As for everyone else.
300 VIEWS LATER, OVER 50 POSTS LATER.
NO LIST FOR OBAMA.:thumbsup:
P4B started a new thread and I answered over there: http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...president.html
I didn't know you had asked the Obama question in this Palin thread.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by TheMetal1
Fuck... I need to smoke :jointsmile:
Honestly I don't really care for her saying God told her to do something. I honestly think that is ridiculous, but I understand how some religious people are and I know that they do not necessarily mean literally that God told them to do something.
If she said her crazy bat god diety told her to do it... well I'd probably even more shocked than if she said god told her to do something, but I would look at what she has done historically and judge her based off that.
I don't like her stance on abortion, but I doubt that would ever get pushed through anyway. Even Bush with a conservative congress didn't get that.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
Stupid submit button... double post :stoned:
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by daihashi
If she said her crazy bat god diety told her to do it... well I'd probably even more shocked than if she said god told her to do something...
That's all I was trying to say. The idea that Bat, an Egyptian goddess widely worshipped by thousands of people throughout history, is any less valid/important/real than the Christian "God," is completely hypocritical and disgustingly unfair. I'm not saying anything bad, but it somewhat supports what I said by you being less offended if she acted in the name of Christianity. We are subconsciously accepting certain religions as "more real."
To outsiders, it really is like mythology. I don't personally believe that Thor creates the thunder... but I know almost certainly that MANY people lived their entire life with this idea. Does it make it bad? Good? False? True? No... it just is.
I really don't want the thread to get off-topic... but I really just wanted to try and give some insight, at least how I see it. One persons God... is just another persons Devil. One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. We all hear it, preach it... but do we get it?
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Originally Posted by daihashi
but I would look at what she has done historically and judge her based off that.
EXACTLY :thumbsup:
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Yes, I did, in the very first post. And in multiple posts after that.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Actually I read that thread and you didn't actually post what his accomplishments or experience was. You posted why you *think* he's qualified.
That was an opinion based thread (open discussion) and this one is looking for hard facts/sources to display what he has actually done.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
Yes, I did, in the very first post. And in multiple posts after that.
I don't doubt you did. I jumped in at the church/state/evolution point, so I missed that. Otherwise I would have answered you. My answer is in that other thread.
