Global Warming?

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Originally Posted by angry nomad

Oh yeah, that is the movie I was talking about. The Great Global Warming Swindle. I talked to one of the scientists in that movie. I just called him at his office. He was really cool. I forgot his name. I'll try and remember it.

Anyway, that movie is just as propagandistic as Al Gore's.

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I agree with you 100%, it should not be a POLITICIZED issue. It has nothing to do with politics. And from what I read in your post, even this man is hesitant to attribute this to mankind. We don't know conclusively yet, we will someday though. I don't want to pay for something that is at this point, a religious belief, as far as whether or not human activity is destroying the earth. I believe that people will always in the end do the right thing, I have faith in humanity I guess.:jointsmile:

Yeah, EGore is a snake oil salesman, prime example of why it is not a political issue, the science is still out and he is preaching the holy friggin' word like it's all said and done. LET SCIENCE do it's work, the science behind climate change is far from anywhere near solid, don't legislate environmental morality to me when you have no idea what the hell you are talking about federal government thank you.:D

no matter what anyones here stance is on the global warming issue either you beleive we caused it or its not even happening i think we can all agree that suckin deisal fumes is bad. ever stan on a busy down town street and notice you can almost taste the deisal in the air? im sure thats not very healthy.

so maybe it is in our best intrest to go a little greener if for no other reason so we can breathe

Shit i clicked the wrong one!
Anyway ithink that global warming is not the issue which the world should be focusing on , but the bigger picture of Climate CHange

Dont tell me pumping oil which is trapped underground and then intruducing the bypruducts into the atmoshere, wont cause a change, logiclly it will definatly have some effect on the climate.

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Originally Posted by skunke

Shit i clicked the wrong one!
Anyway ithink that global warming is not the issue which the world should be focusing on , but the bigger picture of Climate CHange

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Dude! Clicked the wrong one! Are you a Florida voter?

Yes, climate change is the real issue. Calling it "global warming" suggests a forgone conlcusion about exactly what will happen. No one knows for sure. Probably there will be a periond of chaotic change, and no one can say for sure how it will end up.

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Originally Posted by skunke

Dont tell me pumping oil which is trapped underground and then intruducing the bypruducts into the atmoshere, wont cause a change, logiclly it will definatly have some effect on the climate.

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Exactly. Puttng all that carbon from under ground up into the air will have an effect. We don't know for certain what effect or how big, but we can be sure it will cause a change in the climate.

lotta good debate here, I have not seen the data on the rise of the other planets but I can tell you that their temperatures have not drasticaly started to rise in the past hundred years. and yes our planet goes through changes but these changes have been drasticaly speed up in the past hundred years or so. I am sure this is not the first time this planet has seen the green house effect but I dont think this time it was a natual occurance. But wether it is man or natual made, people are debating if it is even real. that is what we have to think about now. In the next 300 to 500 years we could be in another ice age, what ever the case is drastic changes are going to occur, such as deserts turning to forest, forests to deseerts, flooding, etc. We are starting to see species like frogs and deep sea creatures, die off or come into exsistance (how ever you want to think of it). these are all proof that the climate is drasticaly changing. The blame doesnt matter any more, the shit has hit the fan and no matter who or where you are your gonna get sticky eventualy.

mine is for bullshit too. my gf did a whole 20 page paper for her school. she's a hippy kinda girl and she thinks its bull too. "naturally occuring climate change" look it up

Total BS.
Good luck convincing me that global warming data doesn't follow an Al Gore type of agenda. (make big money on a contrived fear...job security)
Watts Up With That?: weather_stations Archives
Do you really think placement of sensors is random, un-biased and protected from outside influence?

Back in the 70's, glaciation (global cooling) was the panic.
Global cooling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"In the 1970s, there was increasing awareness that estimates of global temperatures showed cooling since 1945. The general public had little awareness of carbon dioxide's effects on climate, although Paul R. Ehrlich mentions climate change from the greenhouse gases in 1968.[1] By the time the idea of global cooling reached the public press in the mid-1970s, the temperature trend had stopped going down, and there was concern in the climatological community about carbon dioxide's effects.[2] It was known that both natural and man-made effects caused variations in global climate."

Sounds uncannily familiar.

But wait...there's more fear on the way:
Canadian Scientists Fear Global Cooling | NewsBusters.org

Ok, so grab your jackets and your shorts...It's going to be a cold/warm day tomorrow.

Guess the only thing to do is grow more plants. Carbon Dioxide Absorption

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Total BS.
Good luck convincing me that global warming data doesn't follow an Al Gore type of agenda. (make big money on a contrived fear...job security)

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The big money and job security concerns are on the side of industries that have a vested interest in the status quo. Industries fear losing money if they have to change the way they operate to mitigate their emision of greenhouse gasses. Most of the research casting doubt on climate change is funded by these industries who have a big money stake in the outcome. That's where the money is. I've known people involved in various forms of research all my life, and believe me, there's not much money in it --- certainly nothing compared to the oil, coal, and auto industries.

The thing about these industries is that they are going to lose most because of their short sightedness. If they don't look ahead and adapt to a changing future, they will lose everything. In the 70's oil crisis, Japanese car comapnies came into this country and sold fuel efficient cars when US companies were still pumping out muscle cars. Those Japanese companies got a toehold because Detroit didn't face up to the future, and the Japanese have continued to grow their market share ever since. Same thing is happening now with appliance brands. If US industry doesn't start to adapt soon, the Asian and European companies who already have a head start are going to come here and eat our lunch.

We used to have the most innovative companies in the world. Not anymore.

Without any supporting documentation, your statements fall on deaf ears.
Please explaim how carbon credits will lower greenhouse emmisions?

Global Warming Solution Known as ââ?¬Ë?Carbon Creditsââ?¬â?¢ Collapses | NewsBusters.org
So who is it that benefits from all this?
Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it