Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
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Originally Posted by ntcrawler
HAHAHAHAHA
First off, that had to be one of the funniest responses I've received. Now you are correct in calling that and over-the-top comparison but to answer your question I truly believe that it would be the supervisors/procedure that is too blame.
Thanks, I try. But personally, I'd blame the workers AND I'd blame the employers.
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Originally Posted by ntcrawler
Now I'm gonna give you a different scenario; They let him get up to walk out and he decides to run around the audience, pulls out a gun and starts shooting people. Now I'm not saying that scenario is likely but as a cop you have to plan for the unpredictable. If that did happen(or any event like it) their would be a media frenzy talking about how the cops were not doing their jobs and the needs for stricter security/procedure(less freedom). You would probably be arguing in this thread still against the cops!
If that's the case, then it's just safer just to tase and arrest the entire public. Anyone could be packing heat at any time...
As well, if someone got up to do jumping jacks (or something similarly out of the ordinary, and annoying people) should this person be tased for resisting arrest too? They didn't do anything remotely illegal, but they're expected to go along with the police because the police say so? That's bull.
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
As well, if someone got up to do jumping jacks (or something similarly out of the ordinary, and annoying people) should this person be tased for resisting arrest too? They didn't do anything remotely illegal, but they're expected to go along with the police because the police say so? That's bull.
The police were told to escort the man out. Now if the police were told to escort the jumper of the jacks then yea he shouldn't resist getting kicked out. Meyer wasn't being arrested until he resisted being escorted off the premises. He resisted twice when escorted out, man. Not only until they had him pinned on the ground did he decide it was time for him to leave but a little too late for that.
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
Um, why did you -rep me, ntcrawler? I said you were wrong, and that means I should get -rep? "Not very constructive?" I didn't disrespect anyone, I just said "You are wrong." There's nothing wrong with that. I feel really inclined to disrespect you, because of that. But I won't, because then there would be a legitimate reason to -rep me. Giving -rep to someone for saying "you're wrong" is wrong. I think someone who has their rep disabled shouldn't be able to give - or + rep out.
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
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Originally Posted by ntcrawler
But in this case the police were doing their job and did not carry it to far giving many chance to Meyer to just submit. Trying to lump all police officers as corrupt authority because of bad past experiences is no different from white people who hate black people(and lump them all together) because of bad past experiences.
I don't want to you these officers lose their jobs. If you have a problem high don't lay it out on the officers but instead the procedures they are taught.
i will remember that one today as i walk into the court building to clock in ;)
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.
There is no such thing as 'resisting arrest' when the arrest itself isn't even justified...The taser was completely unnecessary especially considering he volunteered to walk out before they tasered him if they would just let him go..
I would've done the exact same thing that guy did..fuck the cops, they're not gonna put their hands on me because I ask a couple of questions, that's why we got our independence from britain in 1776, so that we could say anything we wanted to in our country, whether it be about the government or anything, we can say it, and cops have no right to arrest us for asking or saying anything, I don't care what it is.
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
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Originally Posted by Markass
"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.
There is no such thing as 'resisting arrest' when the arrest itself isn't even justified...The taser was completely unnecessary especially considering he volunteered to walk out before they tasered him if they would just let him go..
I would've done the exact same thing that guy did..fuck the cops, they're not gonna put their hands on me because I ask a couple of questions, that's why we got our independence from britain in 1776, so that we could say anything we wanted to in our country, whether it be about the government or anything, we can say it, and cops have no right to arrest us for asking or saying anything, I don't care what it is.
You're right.
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
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Originally Posted by Markass
"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.
There is no such thing as 'resisting arrest' when the arrest itself isn't even justified...The taser was completely unnecessary especially considering he volunteered to walk out before they tasered him if they would just let him go..
I would've done the exact same thing that guy did..fuck the cops, they're not gonna put their hands on me because I ask a couple of questions, that's why we got our independence from britain in 1776, so that we could say anything we wanted to in our country, whether it be about the government or anything, we can say it, and cops have no right to arrest us for asking or saying anything, I don't care what it is.
He resisted being escorted out of the building. He was then arrested for disturbance of the peace. Now where is the unlawful arrest. You say he volunteered to walk out but when did he do that? Oh yea, he did that after resisting twice to being escorted out. He wasn't worried about leaving until they had him on the ground! He knew he went to far and sadly for him there was no going back.
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
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Originally Posted by mfqr
Um, why did you -rep me, ntcrawler? I said you were wrong, and that means I should get -rep? "Not very constructive?" I didn't disrespect anyone, I just said "You are wrong." There's nothing wrong with that. I feel really inclined to disrespect you, because of that. But I won't, because then there would be a legitimate reason to -rep me. Giving -rep to someone for saying "you're wrong" is wrong. I think someone who has their rep disabled shouldn't be able to give - or + rep out.
If you feel it to be unjust I guess you should report it. BTW, I wasn't aware that I had it locked or what ever. I'll look into that.
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
so if me or my family are abused by state or federal officials and nothing is done about it i should sit there and do nothing?
im sorry but that would push me to way past my limits
and you are also telling me that abunch of cops cant handcuff a guy and carry him out of the forum. as i said he might have been anoying but no reason to tase.
and that other flordia woman i cited was relivent to the fact that A COP ABUSED HIS POWER AND WAS TASING A PERSON. same thing different instance
Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum
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Originally Posted by texas grass
so if me or my family are abused by state or federal officials and nothing is done about it i should sit there and do nothing?
im sorry but that would push me to way past my limits
and you are also telling me that abunch of cops cant handcuff a guy and carry him out of the forum. as i said he might have been anoying but no reason to tase.
and that other flordia woman i cited was relivent to the fact that A COP ABUSED HIS POWER AND WAS TASING A PERSON. same thing different instance
if you feel wronged, BRING IT TO COURT. You are only making it worse on your self. Now nothing wrong happened in this case, the guy brought it upon him self. He was warned that he was going to be tased if he didn't stop resisting. Did he think they were joking?
