"We Muslims Living in America are getting sick of this crap

Iraw is being occupied by America. Iraqs government have been put in place by the American government, but alot of Iraqi people dont want America there, so they fight back in any way they can, ie, kidnappings, suicide bombings, shootings, etc.

Im not condoning it, because its horrible, but why is a suicide bombing on an American convoy any worse than an American plane bombing a residential complex in Iraq? Christianity and Islam can both be as violent as eachother, it just depends whos holding the strings, if you get what I mean. Man, I hate religion and politics :(

"You know, you can call me whatever you want, but I take offense to you saying that I live in the past because I'm a historian."

Can I? I haven't called you anything yet have I? What ever shall I call you? History is great, but you won't find all your answers in dusty old thought. Some thought needs to be new to keep up with the times. Why would you take offence at me saying you live in the past? Seems to me that your a little sensitive in some areas.

"It has NOTHING to do with religion."

It has EVERYTHING to do with religion. You claim I only see what's on the surface, and then you say things like the crusades had almost nothing to do with religion. You may need to study up on that some more.

"I would go so far as to say that you haven't studied much history at, if any, written outsidde the sphere of influence of your government."

You know I know several people from Canada and they all seem to have the same "I am smarter then you" thing going for them. What makes you so much more of a historian then me? Do you have any idea what I have studied? No, you do not. Yet here you are making your claims anyway. Do you do that when your figuring out your opinion on everything, or is that reserved for just me.

You seem to think religion is completely free of any violence. Your wrong man. Religion is the root cause of a lot of the worlds violence past and present. I'm sorry you can't see it. I guess it is easier to blaim the US for it. I suggest you reread some of the history of the middle east if you truely believe the violence there started because of US imperialism. What is so hard about seeing the violence in religion for you? Is it really so far fetched for me to think that religions cause violence? When a man kills in the name of his god, what has influenced that person to kill? Religion has. Islam is no different then christianity as you have said many times. They are both violent by nature. Islam, at this point in time, is using terror for it's own reasons. It's not just one or two lone wolfs out there causing problems as you would like me to believe. It is a world wide network of terror and violence, with islam being the guiding hand. So when the muslim is cutting the head off a contractor, it's not really religious violence to yell god is great while chopping, it's American imperialism? I see! Thanks for the history lesson oh wise and all knowing one. What will you treat me too next, a run down of how hitler didn't really kill jews? Maybe a thrilling story of how Japan never really attacked pearl harbor?

Toker

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Iraw is being occupied by America. Iraqs government have been put in place by the American government, but alot of Iraqi people dont want America there, so they fight back in any way they can, ie, kidnappings, suicide bombings, shootings, etc.:(

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Is that why they are attacking their own people on a daily basis? It is not the US that the terrorist hate, it is the thought of their religion losing power that is their diving concern. The sunni have been in power for a long time, and they don't want to give it up. Any way they can is a lame arguement. Them killing and terrorizing their own is not to remove the US, but to terrorize the people of Iraq. Religion, politics, and violence are having a fuck fest over there. I wonder what the offspring will look like?

Toker

"It has EVERYTHING to do with religion. You claim I only see what's on the surface, and then you say things like the crusades had almost nothing to do with religion. You may need to study up on that some more. "

I'm sorry, but I have to say this. You goddamn idiot, find me a single book written by a scholar for academia that don't say the same thing I do about the Crusades. I dare you.

You are so goddamn arrogant, you impersonate what people dislike about Americans. You think you are so superior, that only you have the philosophical right to start a war, that you have the only valid reason to invade other countries.

"What makes you so much more of a historian then me?"

Five years of studying History at a major Canadian institution. I don't care what you studied, cause apparently it didn't do much. Your best argument against me is constantly repeating that I don't know what I'm talking, I'm lacking in the knowledge department, I should read up on my history. Yet you're not able to support anything you say except with 'that's the way it is because I say so'. Are you a lawyer?

I know I said this before, but I'm outta here for real this time, as intelligent as you might be, you still argue like a 5 year old.

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Iraw is being occupied by America. Iraqs government have been put in place by the American government, but alot of Iraqi people dont want America there, so they fight back in any way they can, ie, kidnappings, suicide bombings, shootings, etc.

Im not condoning it, because its horrible, but why is a suicide bombing on an American convoy any worse than an American plane bombing a residential complex in Iraq? Christianity and Islam can both be as violent as eachother, it just depends whos holding the strings, if you get what I mean. Man, I hate religion and politics :(

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your a young ass piece of shit for even saying that

u are condoning it
fuck you for every troop in danger
u need a soul.

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan

your a young ass piece of shit for even saying that

u are condoning it
fuck you for every troop in danger
u need a soul.

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You didnt answer the question

Why is a suicide bombing on an American convoy any worse than an American plane bombing a residential complex in Iraq?

And, for fucks sake, im not condoning it at all. BUT, I do think that the American troops are just as bad as these 'insergants' that they are fighting. They use suicide bombers, and America uses napalm. Whats the difference? Theyre both just as fucking disgusting as eachother. Nobody should be killing anybody, and killing for a cause is still killing. Anybody that kills anybody is wrong in my eyes

Goddam nationalists.

Just because you come from America doesnt mean that you should stand by your troops when theyre doing wrong, or your president when he is doing wrong.

America should never have gone in to Iraq. So when you blame these people for the death of American troops, consider the fact that if they had never entered Iraq none of them would be dead, and neither would thousands of Iraqis, innocent or otherwise.

The point I was trying to make in my last post was what I said earlier:

Anybody that kills anybody is wrong. It doesnt matter what country you come from or what reason you have for doing it, you still should never kill anybody. Soldiers are murderers. Period. And I dont care if I offend anybody by saying that, because im offended by the blatant disregard for human life that so many of you show. Later.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

You didnt answer the question

Why is a suicide bombing on an American convoy any worse than an American plane bombing a residential complex in Iraq?

And, for fucks sake, im not condoning it at all. BUT, I do think that the American troops are just as bad as these 'insergants' that they are fighting. They use suicide bombers, and America uses napalm. Whats the difference? Theyre both just as fucking disgusting as eachother. Nobody should be killing anybody, and killing for a cause is still killing. Anybody that kills anybody is wrong in my eyes

Goddam nationalist.

Just because you come from America doesnt mean that you should stand by your troops when theyre doing wrong, or your president when he is doing wrong.

America should never have gone in to Iraq. So when you blame these people for the death of American troops, consider the fact that if they had never entered Iraq none of them would be dead, and neither would thousands of Iraqis, innocent or otherwise.

The point I was trying to make in my last post was what I said earlier:

Anybody that kills anybody is wrong. It doesnt matter what country you come from or what reason you have for doing it, you still should never kill anybody. Soldiers are murderers. Period. And I dont care if I offend anybody by saying that, because im offended by the blatant disregard for human life that so many of you show. Later.

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the difference is
we dont say hey look there is a bus full of kids,shoot it
dum ass

and the ones there (insurgents) aint but hired guns by osama's ass and a recriuts of a religion being used wrongly

they want you dead,deny it it till they cut ya throat

and they are there becuase its the job of the troops to go die and kill where ever the goverment says ,i dont see where you support them ,you act like they should just quit" say no man i wont do it,?


and your free lil punk ass rides the ride for free so shut the fuck up before ya really piss somebody off
you dont know shit about anything,your "wet behind the ears"
i dont got no us flag sticking out my ass ,i just know iraq is so in need of a change,and its costing us lives,
and to those who say what about this place and that place
well hell now ya want us to go invade other places for REASONS you think
need it?

this thread is a downer

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Iraw is being occupied by America. Iraqs government have been put in place by the American government, but alot of Iraqi people dont want America there, so they fight back in any way they can, ie, kidnappings, suicide bombings, shootings, etc.

Im not condoning it, because its horrible, but why is a suicide bombing on an American convoy any worse than an American plane bombing a residential complex in Iraq? Christianity and Islam can both be as violent as eachother, it just depends whos holding the strings, if you get what I mean. Man, I hate religion and politics

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Peace

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan

the difference is
we dont say hey look there is a bus full of kids,shoot it
dum ass

and the ones there (insurgents) aint but hired guns by osama's ass and a recriuts of a religion being used wrongly

they want you dead,deny it it till they cut ya throat

and they are there becuase its the job of the troops to go die and kill where ever the goverment says ,i dont see where you support them ,you act like they should just quit" say no man i wont do it,?


and your free lil punk ass rides the ride for free so shut the fuck up before ya really piss somebody off
you dont know shit about anything,your "wet behind the ears"
i dont got no us flag sticking out my ass ,i just know iraq is so in need of a change,and its costing us lives,
and to those who say what about this place and that place
well hell now ya want us to go invade other places for REASONS you think
need it?

this thread is a downer

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Wow. You guys sure get pissed off when somebody else has a different opinion.

Maybe Iraq is in need of a change. But why the fuck should your corrupt ass be the one to change it? America is in need of a change, too. Hell, the whole world is in need of a fucking change.

"i dont see where you support them"

You're right. There is no way in hell you will EVER find me supporting a war, or supporting troops. NEVER. I find it sickening that ANYBODY can support troops. Theyre people that get paid to kill other people over little bits of land. And theyre supposed to be heroes? Im supposed to look up to them? BULLSHIT! fuck that, and fuck all this nationalism bullshit that you so proudly display, but under the name of 'patriosm'. I'll tell you something for free. Patriosm is just another tactic dreamt up by the government to control people, to make us do what they want. If youre stupid enough to believe in all this patriosm bullshit, then youre probably the type of person that would be sitting in front of your TV, with a beer in one hand, shooting your gun in to the air with the other, and screaming 'Yeeehaaaaw' every time you hear of another apartment block full of Iraqi men, women and children being blown up.

Oh, and thanks herbolic.. at least one person agrees with me lol

Its mad, immagine if some other country invaded yours, u got the soldiers raping your mom and beating your men and your losing family members becuase of the bombings.
What if france had just decided to liberate the us from britain. The uprising has to come from within.
Its no wonder the people dont trust the us military, the only thing a uniform meant to them during sadams dictatorship was fear and now the supposed liberators are acting in the same way....we've all seen the pics.

The usa is just a big fucking company with a president and board of directors calling the shots, its a joke.

Its like a big game of chess and the every day people are the porns and we all know porns are only valuble under certain circumstances and are frequently sacrificed to gain and advantage.

Iraq will be liberated by the US's deffinition of the word and nothing else. The markets will be opended up and be exploited..........fuck it, i cant b bothered..........

Peace