I <3 the Dreamer's theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhouncy
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I <3 the Dreamer's theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhouncy
...if we never try.Quote:
Originally Posted by fauxsho
If you have a negative connotation towards anyone or anything including yourself, there is no possible way you qualifiy to answer the question,"Is God real?"
I just want to point out we are continuing a discussion older than civilization, and one which will continue as long as the species does.
"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. St. Thomas Aquinas "
"The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make heaven of Hell, and a hell of Heaven. John Milton"
I like those quotes Maj. Try to think about God in this way ( im not saying this is the only way or even true ), its a totaly subjective word getting all of its meaning from the percivers inward meaning of it lacking any provable objective existence.
But the thing is, how do you honestly expect anyone in this world to fully understand YOUR inward meaning of god.
No one in this world will ever comprehend fully what you think and feel. The only thing available is your ability to communicate said things to us as best as possible.
Maybe you found God, have undeniable proof and everything else. But right now, what you speak of, and how you speak of it, is no differen then any of the other things that people have said in relation to God(s)/deities.
People have had this debate for century upon century upon century. The great philosophers of greek and roman times had these debates, people in all the well known era's in early european history have had them, not to mention countless people in modern time as well.
And the reason the question still remains, and people still debate it, is that there is no known way to prove or disprove the existance of a God(s).
And, technically, God isnt a subjective word. No religion that I have read about yet refers to it as such. God in any religion is a definable, non-subjective "being", that does not change based on who thinks about him. That is why religions have war against other religions... because each believes that their idea of God(s) is the correct one, that there is no subjectivity at all, and the other person is wrong, commiting what amounts to blasphamy, and should perish for their sins.
This is what smoking weed is all about. God. You look inside yourself with a third-person perspective. You look at your God, no matter what way you look at it.
initator im not trying to be some mesiah and end the great philisophical question of all time, im just trying to share my view. And what your saying about God in religion is defineable, first lets draw the line between religion and spirituality. Religion is an organization that uses god for its own reasons, that are often corrupt. Spirituality is the faith in the religion that makes the organization possilbe, it is the belief in a god that can offten be conformed to a relgion. I personaly am not part of any religion but im a very spiritual person. What im saying is try to find your own meaning for God, if it requiers science and proff more power to you. But that is your own meaning for god. Another person may say God cannot be proven and that statement, like yours, is a reflection of their own belief of god. All objective statments, books, forum threads and so on about God are refelctions of the writers and sayers inner meaning of God.
The thing is though, those "religions" wouldnt exist without followers who prescribe to at least the majority of the beliefs of said religion.
Even in your own words, God is very definable, because you can tell us at least in part what God means to you, how it is for you. The fact that you can use anything to describe it means that it is definable.
But I understand what you are saying, and to a large extent I agree with you... but without disagreement and discourse and discussion, everything is so bland.
Never can really fully expand your knowledge and horizons if everyone always agree's with everyone on everything, or at least thats how I always look at it.
I like the argument :) , hence why i continue. It is true that God is definable, the definition is a reflection of the inner meaning. All inner qualites has exterior corrilates and vise versa.
'The thing is though, those "religions" wouldnt exist without followers who prescribe to at least the majority of the beliefs of said religion'
Yea but it seems most of the time that there are the masses and there are the leaders. The leaders usualy have goals and intentions that are hidden from the masses. And thus the leaders use the masses for those goals and intentions.