I also wanna try a batch in between the temps of 212 and 225 F just to see. and one of these have to be good for brownies. I feel like Im getting closer.....
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I also wanna try a batch in between the temps of 212 and 225 F just to see. and one of these have to be good for brownies. I feel like Im getting closer.....
Hi again Mark (not really mark) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mspofford032579
The use or choice of Coconut oil, butter or any other oil for that matter, is based upon a number of critical elements.
Firstly, as THC is not water soluble it has to be made to bond with a fatty substance in order to be digestible to humans.
In truth, although virtually any oil will bond with the THC, what we're really looking for is a oily substance that can be easily absorbed through the walls of the intestines without significant loss of potency.
Ideally, short to medium chain fatty acids are the most suitable for this purpose, as longer chain fatty acids take longer to be broken down, and in some cases, will take so long as to seriously dilute the resultant effects.
Hydrogenated fats (as found in things like margarine), can interfere with the actions of the bile acids in the stomach, while oils such as 'Olive oil' are high in polyunsaturated fats (longer chain).
If you're particularly interested I can go into greater detail as to the 'why's and what's', so just let me know.
There are a couple of alternatives that are worth experimenting with such as sesame oil (also used in the production of Marinol) etc. But they won't affect the type of high you get, just the amount of THC that gets 'transferred' into the blood stream, and how long it takes.
High in 'saturated' fat and you won't go too far wrong.
Cheers flame :thumbsup:
Hi Subzero and thanks for the input and feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by subzero
Excellent work and a really detailed explanation of the method you used. Textbook, and Almost identical to my own routine!
"Anyways cooked at 226 for 1 hr (very slightly bubbling), stirred then cooked at same for another 1 hr 15min, switched the crock off, stirred really well"
Very good observation (wish I'd thought to include that in the original instructions).
Glad it worked out well for you. :thumbsup:
1-Would you guys decaboxilize your weed just for smoking?
(Im asume if the weed isnt better after decaboxilizing, then its not ready to cook w/oil???????? By better I mean more intense high.)
2-And if you had only bud ,would you use it in that form for caps. or 'shake it down' for hash and use that for caps instead?
(I think I know this-If I wanna take the time to sift my buds for hash that would be better. but did I get it all ? Would the oil method get more out of the bud?)
3-Like, breaking it down further.Would that get more out of heated butter/weed?Put it in a Vita Mix? or regular blender.
(I read some where that a blender is to harsh for thc,but then some say use mortor/pestle.) ?????????????
THanks !!,Chris (my real name)~
Flame- I had been meaning to ask you a couple questions... I posted a picture of my oil with the nutrition facts andf stuff and I wanted to make sure it was all set... Also, is it a MUST to 'activate' the weed by putting it in the oven for a few minutes first? I have been making these things for like two weeks now and I only got REALLY high once... I'm still waiting on better supplies etc so Some of it is still a mystery to me, but I just want to make sure I've at least got some of it under control... It would be a bitch to find out I've been cooking this shit for a month or whatever with the wrong oil lol! Anyway, I still owe you big thanks for getting me THAT high in the first place... I'll get it right eventually, when my stoned ass can think clearly again! Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
Hi Flame,
although i had great success on my first attempt I have a feeling that the cooking at low temps (below 90c) for the first two hours probally was a waste of time. Things really seemed to happen at around 225f and definitely below 230f in the last two hours. In your vast experience would you think that 3 hours at 226F would be a better use of time? I think the rest of my proceedure will give me consistant results as long as the quality weed is available.
your opinion please. :thumbsup:
Subzero
Hi guys
The coconut oil you've got is absolutely fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by mspofford032579
I tend to favour coconut oil over ghee (clarified butter), due to: it's healthier nature, greater saturated fat content, and the fact that it sets hard like candle wax when cooled.
'Activating' weed in the oven (i.e. decarbing), is a way to 'force' out any remaining water/moisture in the plant material, and can help convert any 'inactive' THCA (non-psychoactive acids) into 'active' THC.
It's an essential step for recipes that might not use heat (like green dragon), but less so if you'll be using heat anyway to prepare your recipe (as in this case). However, it wont do any harm as long as your careful not to use too high a temp and vape any off.
Getting the temperature 'just right' is the trickiest part of the process I'm afraid. Mostly due to the extended cooking times we're cooking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by subzero
i.e. under the THC melting point, and nothing happens no matter how long we cook for, but, drift too high over the THC vaporisation point and you'll end up losing much of the potency over three hours.
In my case, I tend to cook mostly in batches of around 20 (capsules), which usually means cooking the oil in an egg cup.
However, this creates two problems, the 'ceramic' material it's made from acts to 'protect' the oil from the intensity of heat, and also means that the mixture is not in contact with the base of the crock pot (where the heat is emanating from), but is suspended an inch or so in mid air.
To compensate for this, I'll usually allow the temperature to go up to between 260 and 275 F, however, if the mix was in direct contact with the heat source, than this might be too much.
Regarding the 90 C issue, I would tend to agree, the THC starts to melt at temps above 80 C, however to really be sure of dissolving it all I think you should be aiming for at least 110 C.
i.e. (as you already pointed out) when you see a thin stream of bubbles your on the money.
A couple of final tips worth trying.
Get the temp high at the beginning to 'kick' start the process, then simmer at a slightly lower figure for an hour or two, before giving it a final burst.
Also, in my experience an extended simmer period will 'degrade' the THC (much like choosing a time to harvest) giving a 'stonier' high, while a shorter duration gives more of a clearer head high. But remember, too short at too low a temp and you won't extract all the THC, too long at too high and. . .
Anyhow, good luck and let me know how you're getting on.
Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:
New batch. This is my fourth try. All three before were OK, but none were as quite as potent as I wanted.
I want the potency to be where I can take one and have a nice steady buzz but be able to drive and function. I've had to take two at a time for that level on my first three batches. I want three capsules to be potent enough to make sure I don't go anywhere for a while. I'm not getting this with previous batches.
While I'd like to think it's because I'm such a badass stoner that I could even smoke Flameon under the table, I think it's really just that I don't get very good weed. (Although, we could always meet and have a toke-off, Flame. :D)
So this batch uses Flameon's original formula except I used 1.5 g of fairly pure keif (gathered by panning and scraping my grinder and then setting the keif aside to stockpile it) and .5 g of powdered bud/leaf. I've been smoking this bag for two weeks so I know it's not more potent than what I used for the previous batches. Summary: Coconut oil, temp of 90-100 C, 2.5 hours cooking time, and size 00 caps.
I'll be taking one of these one evening this week to test it. I have high hopes for this batch.
Oh, also: I found a coffeemaker that puts my oil at 90C on the candy thermometer and in a ceramic dish that sits about 1.5 cm from the element. :thumbsup:
Oh my goodness. Sorry I've got nothing about capsules or cooking, but I was lurking and saw this guys name. I laugh my ass off at this, but I'm sure many people won't get it. Nice one.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurnhardLonger
Again, sorry, but I just had to say something.
right on flame! I've been cooking mine too long! Sometimes up to 8 hours! I thought as long as I stayed below the vape point, the extraction would just keep getting better. My experience was like being high without the high; I took a huge leak, and ate like two dinners, and got really tired.not high. Just tired. They did an ok job at relieving my back pain though. When I get more "essential supplies'" I'll make new batches and try real hard not to exceed 2.5 hours or so. Sometimes the shit is green and not a nice tar brown, so it kind of has to get cooked some more if that happens. -mark
ive been having trouble finding a crockpot that has specific adjustable temperature control.. do they even sell those?