Weed not being addictive is a myth

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

I knew somebody would say that. Tell that to my brain after 36+ hours of no sleep.

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I had a really bad speed habit a few years ago. Extremely glad I got off it. But anyway, I stayed awake for 36+ hours many many times. I've gone 4 to 5 days without sleep and barely any food or water on quite a few occasions. Your brain has no idea what it's telling itself at that point. Your psychology can easily take over your physiology and induce all kinds of symptoms whether they be psycho semantic or real. It all starts with psychological addiction. So my answer is yes it is psychologically addictive, but physical withdrawal comes from within.

why did you have to bring this thread up....?

< wasn't me. it was near the top of the lounge when I posted.

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

One site that agrees with you doesn't make it true.

I don't feel like searching so here is a quick link that say's your full of shit in a way.


BBC - Science & Nature - Hot Topics - Cannabis - Index Page

"It may be psychologically addictive. Heavy users can display aggressive impulses if their supply suddenly stops, a side effect similar to that of anabolic steroids"

The BBC is reputable. Read more. One study isn't enough. If it were physically addictive I would not have been able to function these past two weeks without weed. Trust me I have an addictive personality and yup nothing but a slight psycho addiction that I get over in a day with out weed.

You are ignorant and make smokers look bad. It is said when fellow smokers buy into the bullshit. I'm not saying the plant is completely harmless because I'm not sure. But it isn't addictive like ciggs and booze.

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in that link it says that weed is more likely to cause lung cancer than cigs... so many people told me that weed wont give you lung cancer mostly people from this site everyone also says weed has never killed anyone... can it?

I can see both sides of the argument. I have never been able to understand how weed is classified as a Schedule I drug, along with drugs such as PCP and Heroin, (supposed to mean, "high potential for abuse") by the DEA, but other drugs are lower scheduled ("less potential for abuse") like codeine, cocaine, percodan...ect. I know many people who have abused Rx drugs, and to me, that seems more "addicting".

But on the other side, some people have more addictive personalities. Any drug affects people in different ways. That's why there are varying side effects, even with weed. I don't think that makes you weak. And more science about addiction is showing that there's not just one factor. Genetics have been found to play a role in addiction as well.

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

The question should be are you easily irritated or anxious.

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Yes - irritated and loss of appitie and trouble sleeping :wtf:
but that was only for 2 days after acouple of months of pretty heavy smoking n it wasnt that bad more annoying i believe it can become mentally addictive
EVERYBODYS DIFFERENT.
its not gonna stop me smoking tho :stoned:
But y preach on this site people know what the goverment's say n its up to the individual to believe it
but smoke on i only stopped to lower tolerance

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

I knew somebody would say that. Tell that to my brain after 36+ hours of no sleep.

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It sounds like you should be on a meth forum.

i agree with u homie. ( the guy who started this thread )

Everyone is born an addict and everything is addictive.
What you choose to put your addictions toward is up to you, whether you put them to constructive uses or negative uses does not matter because you are still addicted to something and everything.
I have been addicted to heroin and numerous other controlled substances along with nicotene and quit tham all but I am still addicted to everything else.
Food, air, clothing, work, riding motorcycles, sex, watching TV or playing on the computor. They are all addictions if you think about it deep enough and if you take away the air or the food or clothing, the withdrawals start rather quickly.
Yes, I am a pot head and think of myself as addicted to weed but, I am also addicted to living because the alternative is no fun.

You're just weak.

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.

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everybodys totally different man, ive smoked for 5 years, never experienced anything like insomnia, irratibility, etc (except maybe when someone promises u bud an then doesnt deliver - that irritates me!)
theres a serious drought on here and before yesterday i didnt smoke anythin for about 2 an a half weeks, an nothin happened me....
If it was Really an addictive drug, then we'd all feel similar withdrawls, like if we were all givin up heroin...

I'm a former cigarette smoker (smoked nearly 3 packs a day) been clean now for nearly 5 years and I say with 100% certainty that Weed is NOT physically addictive. It's psychologically addictive. But your body never thinks it "needs" it. Only your mind. The topic creator clearly has mistook psychological symptoms for physical ones.

You can mentally become used to feeling high at certain times, in certain situations and it becomes where you feel you need it. Going without weed would then make you irritable, and probably depressed as you are mentally used to being high. Being depressed can cause you to feel ill and give you physical symptoms.

But it's still only in your mind.

From my own personal experience, weed has only been "addictive" i.e., a harder habit to break if need be, if I were turning to it to forget something, or cover something up. That's doing it for the wrong reasons though.

If I do it because I enjoy it...whenever I feel like it, I'm not bothered in the least when I'm not high. But if I'm using it as a crutch, I definitely get cranky when I'm not high and wish I were. That's the extent of 'addiction', I think...Psychological dependence.

I just recently started a two week break. The past few days I HAVE experienced insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability as you said. But these are psychological symptoms. Real addicts dont take voluntary breaks. I have a 1/4 ounce of dank sitting about 10 feet away from me, yet I havent smoked in 3 days. See if a crackhead could do that.

Stop spreading bad info.

Neg rep for you.

i havnt read the whole topic
as its 10 pages long

BUT
wikipedia it
or look here

i know that wikipedia is widely accepted as a very reliable source of info
and also think that all the references to information on this site are viable

so if you read that
find the bit that tells you bud isnt addictive
and that its all in your head

and then look up the refrences
you will find
it isnt addictive
and if you think it is
your stupid
and unwise

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Your ignorant dude. People in this world are different. Haven't smoked weed in 3 days and i have not been feening for it and nor do i really think about it. I don't even know who we are different people maybe you just have a really weak mind because i was addicted to coke and i smoke cigarettes so trust me dude i KNOW what an addiction is.

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Originally Posted by fasterspider

Everyone is born an addict and everything is addictive

....Food, air, clothing, work, riding motorcycles, sex, watching TV or playing on the computor....

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Damn scraight! Haven't found anything more addictive than that. It's a toss up between motorcycles and sex to me. This forum is also up there on my list of addictions. But I'm not addicted per say to weed. I just love smoking it every day and don't plan on quitting anytime soon.

are you serious, you quit smoking and you had insomnia so you think its drug withdrawal, you arent the first person to quit smoking weed you just have no will power

It's psychologically addicting for me. I don't get any physical withdrawl symptoms. Compared to alcohol weed is much less addicting, and the withdrawl (if any) is NOTHING in comparison.

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Originally Posted by JaMakin07

are you serious, you quit smoking and you had insomnia so you think its drug withdrawal, you arent the first person to quit smoking weed you just have no will power

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did you not know insomnia is a symptom of withdrawal?

and what does insomnia have to do with willpower anyways? they do not correlate in the least bit.

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Originally Posted by shaitanx

Anything has the potential to be psychologically addictive. I'm sure some of you here are addicted to the computer, to the interwebs, even to these forums.. I couldn't go on without my guitar, for instance. That doesn't mean I'll get cold and clammy without it.. Yes, like anything else, weed can be psychologically addictive. However, nothing in it (like caffeine or nicotine) is chemically addictive.

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hey thc is a chemical. i think it has the potential to be addictive as well.

ive been smokin scince i was 12 im now 19 and the past three years very heavy i had to quit suddenly and ive been clean for a month no problems yeah i want to smoke but i have no addiction some folks have no self control cause i also smoke ciggs and thats an addiction cause i cant quit if my life depended on it

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Originally Posted by zino11

ive been smokin scince i was 12 im now 19 and the past three years very heavy i had to quit suddenly and ive been clean for a month no problems yeah i want to smoke but i have no addiction some folks have no self control cause i also smoke ciggs and thats an addiction cause i cant quit if my life depended on it

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the chemical makeup that makes you you is different than the chemical makeup that makes me me. addiction affects us all very differently.

with no variables in life, evolution and progression cannot happen. therefore, everything must affect everyone in a particular way.

just because you arent addicted, doesnt mean its not addictive.

just had to bring this up =/. it turned into a piss fest last time, and i'm pretty sure it's on it's way there now...

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

just had to bring this up =/. it turned into a piss fest last time, and i'm pretty sure it's on it's way there now...

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that happens with everything. if its an opinionated subject, there will be drama.

people cant debate without throwing a fit.

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Originally Posted by davefc

i havnt read the whole topic
as its 10 pages long

BUT
wikipedia it
or look here

i know that wikipedia is widely accepted as a very reliable source of info
and also think that all the references to information on this site are viable

so if you read that
find the bit that tells you bud isnt addictive
and that its all in your head

and then look up the refrences
you will find
it isnt addictive
and if you think it is
your stupid
and unwise

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why do you give people a lame resource (wikipedia) and then call them stupid for drawing their own conclusions? thats very ignorant and biased.

ps you say its all in your head, when addiction is actually all in your head. mental addiction, that is. and lots of mental ailments can actually manifest into something physical. If you want weed and cant stop thinking about it, and you end up not sleeping, eating, being depressed or 'moody', that is a physical form of withdrawal. you cant tell me sleeping and eating are not physical.

no those aren't physical....

physical withdrawl includes (but not limited to) shakes/tremors, naseau/vomiting, headache/body pains, diahreah/constipation (although you'd see that with certain rx meds) coldsweats etc....

depression/moodiness is an emotion, it's in your head, eating disorders are already known to be a mental thing, true you're physically not eating, but it's still your mind in control... sleeping, well that can go both ways, although i'd consider it mental and i'll tell you why in a sec...

the only way you could really construe cannabis to be physically addictive is because it increases your melatonin levels by thousands... but it's not replacing the chemical (like other drugs do that are physically addicting) it's just simply giving your system more then it's used to...

the reason i believe sleepign is classified as mental is because you can take melatonin supplements when you don't have bud, and you're normal again... melatonin is in no way a narcotic, so it's not making you drowsy, it's just replacing the ammount you were used to before you ran out of weed allowing your brain to work normally again.

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

no those aren't physical....

physical withdrawl includes (but not limited to) shakes/tremors, naseau/vomiting, headache/body pains, diahreah/constipation (although you'd see that with certain rx meds) coldsweats etc....

depression/moodiness is an emotion, it's in your head, eating disorders are already known to be a mental thing, true you're physically not eating, but it's still your mind in control... sleeping, well that can go both ways, although i'd consider it mental and i'll tell you why in a sec...

the only way you could really construe cannabis to be physically addictive is because it increases your melatonin levels by thousands... but it's not replacing the chemical (like other drugs do that are physically addicting) it's just simply giving your system more then it's used to...

the reason i believe sleepign is classified as mental is because you can take melatonin supplements when you don't have bud, and you're normal again... melatonin is in no way a narcotic, so it's not making you drowsy, it's just replacing the ammount you were used to before you ran out of weed allowing your brain to work normally again.

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yes but a drastic uprising of neurochemicals and then a drastic drop and no reuptake of those neurotransmitters can, if not will employ withdrawal symptoms. eating disorders are construed as mental because usually the person suffering from the disorder does not see themselves as they truely are, and are mentally bound to the fact that if they dont eat they will bloom into the true beauty they think they can find but never will. thats totally mental.

but loss of appetite is not mental. i dont think you can mentally control appetite. thats why in africa and other third world countries, they smoke a lot of potent tobacco. because this is an appetite suppresant. you cant turn on and off your appetite with your mind, its just not possible. otherwise hunger wouldnt be painful. we could choose to be not hungry, if it were mental.

and i still think sleeping is physical. exhaustion is a physical condition, not mental. just like appetite, you cant turn your state of exhaustion on and off, otherwise we would never sleep. sure you can induce a state of drowsiness with chemicals, but this doesnt substitute exhaustion and the progression of your sleep.

damn 11 pages i think it's time to agree to disagree on the subject

-Bomb

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Originally Posted by smokinbomb

damn 11 pages i think it's time to agree to disagree on the subject

-Bomb

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no the debate must go on, otherwise progress will cease to exist!

seriously. forget to agree to disagree. this will come up in the future, it might as well be a sticky

i have not had a spliff in 4 days....i couldnt sleep lst night! i was up at 4.30am having a cigarette!I got this like tiny niggling pain in my head and the most silliest things make me really angry!!normally im really easygoing!on the plus side tho ive been having some really lucid dreams which i can actually remember when i wake up! also i feel a bit better in the morning,well did today,and am finding it easier to talk about bollox with the old dudes at work!! is that jus mental addiction?? u tell me?

its different for everybody
some people are addicted to food more than others
some people only smoke a few cigarettes per week
some people can stop smoking weed whenever they want with no trouble and some cant

Richard Pryor " hooked ?, hell, I ain't hooked !! , I done quit a hundred times !!! " ....... :S2:

All this debation over whether or not it is physically addictive is silly.

I'm not addicted to weed, and that's all that matters. If you have any willpower at all then you can resist wanting to do something.

Of course it's physically addictive, guys!

I've tried to quit weed, but I couldn't stop sweating, shaking and tweaking out, I puked everywhere, nearly died, and they took me to rehab.

(The above is 100% genuine home-grown bullshit).

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Originally Posted by ValkyrieAg

Page two and this thread is already defeated and diffused? Awwww.:(

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LOL oh how wrong you are.

weed and sex are very similar u know, i group them together under "yum". all items under so called "yum" are truly psychologically addictive, this includes weed sex candy and music.
i think the real problem about addiction is the stigma attached to it, yo

i think the reason you have loss of appetite is because when your stoned things taste so much better and food is more appealing. when you havent smoked it just seems bleehhhh

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.

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Herb is not addictive, insomnia is not a withdrawl symptom iratiable ness is also not a with drawl symptom. people can die from withdrwal symptoms I have never herd of anyone dieing over insomnia maby being an A-hole, but none of those things. besides those symptoms remind me of chemical posoning not herb mabey you need a better grower

I go through worse withdrawal when I stop masturbating for a few days than when I stop smoking after being chronic.

Holy hell, I just noticed how long this thread is. Kind of silly. You know what I'm addicted to? Air. If I don't get enough air, I start feeling lightheaded and pass out. And this isn't just a once-in-a-while thing, I need to be inhaling air like every minute of the day. It's getting out of control.