The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised, Updated, Combined)

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Originally Posted by turbopat

How bad does this stink up a house..and is it really only two ounces of alchy? thats like two shots i think?

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Originally Posted by fredfarts

If you follow Master Wu Recipe yes its only 2 ounces, However if you follow Dragonrider and my recipe you will yield much more. You simply take Master wu s Recipe and make a double or triple or ????? whatever size batch you want to make. Its up to you... Just follow the procedure and you will be fine~!!!!!!!:stoned:

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Originally Posted by fredfarts

Let me tell you! Be Warned if your a light wieght be prepared! I have had a few peeps tellin me storys of getting HIGH AS FOOK ON THIS! so dose it easy!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah, like Fred said, if you follow Master Wu's procedure exactly, it makes about 2 ounces, and that is like two shot glasses. But the number of DOSES is a lot more than two doses. It's as many as 24 doses when I make it, so you have to measure it out with an eye dropper. If you were to just drink a "shot" at that concentration, you would go to the moon, and never come back --- it would not be very fun.

I don't like measuring it out in droppers, so I like to mix the super-concentrated tincture into more alcohol, sugar and water to get something you can measure out in shot glasses. The two ounces turns into 24 ounces, and you can just drink a shot glass full and have a great time. The procedure is earlier in the thread.

And also, like Fred said, you have to be carefull with the doses, or you will get uncomfortably high and have a crappy time.

eh i'm no light weight..just trying to give my lungs a break. so how bad does it stink up a house

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Originally Posted by turbopat

eh i'm no light weight..just trying to give my lungs a break. so how bad does it stink up a house

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Baking the weed for the decarboxylization process really stinks up the whole house, but it is very important if you want good results. The water bath process smells a little bit, but no too bad.

Keep you fan on, its no worse then when you make butter:smokin:

will this work with buds freshly cut from a flowering plant?

(say one in its flushing stage or about to go in its flushing stage)

Yes it will work BUT you need to dry it first!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drying as in the 5 minutes @325 in the oven?

or should i think about doing it longer etc?

IE how should i modify the recipe to account for the bud being just cut from a plant?

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Originally Posted by zero0ne

drying as in the 5 minutes @325 in the oven?

or should i think about doing it longer etc?

IE how should i modify the recipe to account for the bud being just cut from a plant?

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NO!!!!!!!!!! Its needs to be dry first. The the oven at 325. This is not something that will happen if your in a hurry! Take your time, Trust me its worth the wait!

damnit!

I already chopped the nugs into pieces :/

Thats ok dude they will dry faster now!:hippy:

dragonrider / anyone else who may know,

Is it worth double soaking the weed? Currently I make gd by using 1 oz of everclear per 1/8 oz of weed. I soak it once at 170 deg. for 20-30 minutes. This has worked without fail. I wonder however if I'm leaving THC behind. Has anyone sampled gd from a 2nd soaking to check its potency? If anyone knows if a 2nd soaking increases yield, can you please let me know how you do this (times, temp, volume of everclear, etc...). Thanks!!

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Originally Posted by sandals

dragonrider / anyone else who may know,

Is it worth double soaking the weed? Currently I make gd by using 1 oz of everclear per 1/8 oz of weed. I soak it once at 170 deg. for 20-30 minutes. This has worked without fail. I wonder however if I'm leaving THC behind. Has anyone sampled gd from a 2nd soaking to check its potency? If anyone knows if a 2nd soaking increases yield, can you please let me know how you do this (times, temp, volume of everclear, etc...). Thanks!!

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I do a second extraction, but I've never actually tested if it made a difference. I just always suspect that there is some THC left behind, and I want to get it. If you think about it, if you are only making 1 ounce of GD with 1/8 oz of weed, then the doses are pretty strong --- maybe just 1 or 2 mls for a dose. There's no way to squeeze all the liquid out of the bud, so there is probably a few mls left behind just with GD still absorbed in the weed residue.

After you do the first extraction, save the GD you have extracted in a separate container and put the squeezed-out weed residue back in the cup that you used for heating. Add in more Everclear. If you used an ounce the first time, maybe use an ounce the second time. (I always use a couple of ounces the first time and a couple the second time. But I don't make a super-concentrated tincture. I like mine to be dissolved in more liquor, so it doesn't matter if the amount of alcohol is a lot higher during the extraction.)

I generally use the heated water bath for the second extraction but not as long, maybe 5 mins. If there is any sticky residue left in the cup, especially if there is a ring of residue from the boiling, be sure to use a spoon to wash that down into the liquid and get it disolved --- there is alot of THC in that stuff that will just stay stuck to the cup if you don't get it dissolved. Then extract the second "squeezing" and add it to the first.

Even though you probably capture more THC, if the end volume is now twice what you had with one extraction, then the concetration is probably close to half --- you'll need to about double the dose to get it right.

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

I washed it 3 times! I agree with DR get it all!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

Thanks for the advice dragonrider. One correction, I use 2 oz. of everclear per 8th. Next time I make a batch of gd, I'll try a 2nd extration and sample it separately to see how much THC is in there.

hey, just a question..

would heating the alcohol to too high a temperature (like for example 'boiling point' or so of pure ethanol alcohol) make the thc loosen up from the alcohol molecules? reason I ask is because it's been hard to keep the temperature at 170, it either goes way under, or way over, the way my stove works. and I've been trying the way over but not to boil the alcohol. I dont do it with 151 proof rum, I do it with 80-90 proof , so I guess the boiling point would also be higher. still that alcohol in there could fizzle along with the water.

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Originally Posted by Non

hey, just a question..

would heating the alcohol to too high a temperature (like for example 'boiling point' or so of pure ethanol alcohol) make the thc loosen up from the alcohol molecules? reason I ask is because it's been hard to keep the temperature at 170, it either goes way under, or way over, the way my stove works. and I've been trying the way over but not to boil the alcohol. I dont do it with 151 proof rum, I do it with 80-90 proof , so I guess the boiling point would also be higher. still that alcohol in there could fizzle along with the water.

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Hotter is better. I would not worry too much about the heat other than to keep the water in the water bath from boiling too vigorously around the cup with the GD in it. You don't want too much bubbling and sloshing going on just to keep stuff from spilling. I usually get a good boil going in the water at first, then back it off to a decent simmer. If you are using very pure alcohol, then I guess it can boil kind of funny and get sort of a "burp" that will blow liquid out of the cup, so maybe that is why the original instructions made a point of keeping it to 170. But if you are using vodka or 151, I've never seen that happen. Also, if too much of the alcohol seems to evaporate because of higher temperatures, just pour in some more.

I guess I dont count!:S4::postexcuseme::asskick::gunfighter2::S5:

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Originally Posted by fredfarts

I guess I dont count!:S4::postexcuseme::asskick::gunfighter2::S5:

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Oh, Fred. Don't go getting your panties in a bunch. I'm sure it was just an oversight. If you do get your panties in a bunch, just blast thorugh the knot with one of those amazing flaming farts.

By the way, is that picture on the deck of an aircraft carrier? Maybe if they used a little more steam in tha catapult, they wouldn't need the "after burners!"

Wow Talk about Blasted!!! I was totally blasted last nite!:stoned::stoned:

What if I make a batch of honey oil with butane extraction and mix it with grain alcohol?, would it be similar?, I figure this way I don´t have to worry about temps and it might be slightly easier, but I don´t now if butane leaves any toxic residue. Just an idea. Cool recipe man¡¡¡¡

That will not be as effective. See you would smoke the oil so it would be burned. since in GD your not smoking it, you MUST heat it to decarboxylize it. With out that step it would be like eating weed NO HIGH.

Brownies work because you bake them. You MUST have decarboxylization for the thc to work

Smokez: Your problem is using too low of proofage alcohol. You need to use HIGH PROOF stuff. And ONLY drinking alcohol. Ispropyl or Isobutyl WILL MAKE YOU BLIND. Bad stuff.

Maxsuperdanks: If you've never made Absinthe by yourself before, I wouldn't start out with it. The reason it's banned in the states isn't because people were dying when they were drinking La Fee's Absinthe, but were dying when they drank Billy Bob's Hoedown Green Fairy version. It's easy to muck up.

Non: If you were using 90 proof stuff all the times you were doing it, that could be your problem. You also said most of the time you were using shake, which was probably your second problem. You need to increase the amount of alcohol you use, 90 proof is 45% booze, and everyone else is using 151 or 190, which are 75.5% and 95% respectively.

I am also not sure if using lower strength hooch is even advisable, because the alcohol might have some ionic bonds to the compounds that give the lower strength stuff it's flavor. And if you evaporate the booze when you heat it, then you break the bonds, and it never sucks out the THC from the stuff. I would only do this with OVER 75% drinking alcohol. If you can't find 151 or equivalent in your area, smuggle that crap in!

Chico loco: If you do a butane extraction hunt down one of the cans that has the 99% additive free butane on it. Some smoke shops and a few tool stores carry it (butane torches work best with the pure stuff) so it shouldn't be too hard to find. I wonder if you did a decarboxylation with some bud you were gonna make oil with if it'd work better....

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Originally Posted by TheScaryOne

Smokez:

Maxsuperdanks: If you've never made Absinthe by yourself before, I wouldn't start out with it. The reason it's banned in the states isn't because people were dying when they were drinking La Fee's Absinthe, but were dying when they drank Billy Bob's Hoedown Green Fairy version. It's easy to muck up.

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People were dying?


I extracted 3.5 grams of wormwood into 200 ml's of 151, boiled down to 100 ml's of liquid.

Shit makes you feel nuts.



Is the Thujone that toxic that it can kill people? I've never heard of people dying just because of absinthe, they usually just go too far.

"Bake the pot at 325 degrees Fahrenheit for 5 minutes. I chop mine in a mini-prep (or chop by hand) until it is quite fine. Then I spread it out on a piece of aluminum foil which is placed directly on the oven rack. If you place the foil on a baking pan you will need to account for the additional mass of the pan which will increase your baking time. Pre-baking should stink up the house."

Wouldn't baking the pot just vaporize it? Resin Evaporates at around 300 - 400 *F

You know, I can't find where I found it, but I distinctly remember that when people were making their own absinthe they were adding too much wormwood and thujone, and overdosing on the stuff, which is why it got banned.

Kind of like how every time I mention everclear to my parents they picture moonshine and warn me that it can contain lead because of people using lead solder for pipes in home distilleries. It was a similar public consensus back in the early 1900's about Absinthe.

Looks like some of the stuff just got made legal in the US. Woot. I really want to try some La Fee.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/ar...in&oref=slogin

Green Dragon stays good for a while, as long as it's in an airtight container out of light.


I just made a 6 gram batch, using the same amount of alchohol.


Drank it all in a day along with a bottle of hpnotiq, half a bottle of 151, half my bottle of home made absynth. And my bottle of lambic.


Gah, my tollerance is too high :(

alright, so far I'm 0-2 with the GD. I am wondering if anyone could shed some insight on what I may be doing wrong, if anything at all...

I'm using decent bud (50 an 8th), grind it down, put on tin foil.

i'm using everclear, and i have the right thermometers.

The first try i cooked at 200 for 20 minutes. I don't think that pre-bake did it. The weed was still green and i saw no vapors leave when i opened the oven. so i figured that was why my 5 ml dose was doing nothing to me.

Second try i cooked at 325 for 5 minutes, I have an oven thermometer and my oven is around 335 - 340 when its set at 325 so i lowered it a bit and thru the 5 minutes temp varied from 335-315 but mostly stayed under 325, so i dont think that was the issue. The weed was brownish green and a wisp of vapor came up as i pulled the tin foil out of the oven.
This second try felt right with the pre-bake and all but once again a failed batch that just made me slightly tired.

*** Possible things gone wrong
1. We were blazing a lot up until about an hour after taking the drinks. So is it possible that the smoke high just overlapped the gd high and i didn't notice it. i'm hoping that isn't the case because i had it stuck in my head that this gd shit would be stronger and longer.

2. maybe i'm not taking enough. this doesn't seem possible tho... my doses went like this. 2 ml -> nothing 5 hrs later 5 ml -> nothing next day finish whats left... roughly 20 ml -> slightly high for ~ 4 hrs ( if one dose of GD gets u high 20 ml of the shit i made gets u low )

3. coffee filter. I'm hoping this is where i'm going wrong. both times i extracted, i used a coffee filter. it was kinda messy and seemed to be wasteful. is it possible that it filtered out the good stuff??? the filters would always be left with a large green stain on em. maybe i should try with a nylon or regular kitchen strainer... has anyone had success with a coffee filter???

4. didn't let the drink mature. i don't know if this is even necessary, but both times i made my gd out of an 8th, i've finished the product in a day or two. does it get more potent as it sits. this one seems really far fetched tho.

I just want to make a batch that works and know for sure that this isn't bull. Also, for the second batch i made, i ended up evapprating all the liquor in an attempt to save the gd like master wu does... i was really nervous about re-baking tho ( not 100% positive if all the everclear vaped dont want to go BOOM) so i just put the hash oil or w/e was left over onto a few joints and smoked it. That got me higher than usual but certainly not what I've been expecting from a few of these dragon tales i've been hearing.

So please help a fellow stoner and let me know where u think i may have gone wrong or if u need other info to determine where i went wrong. :hippy:

oh yea... i used 1.5 ml everclear the first time, was left with .5 oz "GD"
i used 3 oz everclear the second time and had ~ 1.8 oz "GD"

the first trial i actually only used like 1.5 grams bud, so i used enough alcohol to burn off an oz and be left with roughly half of the original recipe but i am pretty sure the pre-bake in the first trial wasn't sufficient. anyways, any help from anyone would be appreciated, especially dragonrider or fred as u two seem to have had consistent success with the recipe, or master wu himself if u still check out the thread

Really good guide, Written In a Simple Format :thumbsup:

I will definatly try this out one day, When my Parents go on Holiday Hopefully.

Peace :rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

Baking the weed for the decarboxylization process really stinks up the whole house, but it is very important if you want good results. The water bath process smells a little bit, but no too bad.

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I wrap mine *really* well in tin foil, and it hardly smells at all. You can only smell it cooking if you're standing in the kitchen, near the toaster oven. Even then, the first time I cooked it, my better half walked through the kitchen 2 minutes later (after I had asked her to "keep a nose out" for odd smells) and she couldn't smell a trace of it.



I don't know if this information will be of use to anyone, but I have a small IR/laser thermometer. It's used mainly for checking the temperature of hot metal car parts and such. I used it to check the temperature of the tin foil at the end of the 325 for 5 minute spell in the toaster oven, (properly preheated, properly timed on the microwave timer for 5 min.) and the tin foil was showing as 296.

Is it possible that 325 for 5 minutes isn't actually heating the contents to 325? At any rate, I'm certainly not complaining about the results. I haven't cooked with it yet, aside from a couple poorly-done firecrackers, but I've noticed a difference just smoking it. I have some 151 here and I'm trying to talk myself into doing something with my last decent bud and that.. (although once I'm out, I may be out for a week or two.. so tough call) but I don't have a cooking thermometer, and that laser thermometer doesn't work with liquid as far as I can tell.

I tried this tonight with 6 oz of Everclear and 10 grams of clippings + 2 grams of bud. The only thing I could think to add to this guide would be time frames for things, ie. approximately how long does it take to get to 170, how long do you simmer it in the bath, etc.

I used a meat thermometer and I couldn't really get a good reading from it. The water was definitely boiling and there were small bubbles coming out of the alcohol/weed mix, but I couldn't get an accurate temperature reading on the thermometer so I really don't know how hot it was. It would go up to 150 and then drop suddenly even though the heat stayed the same and I didn't move the thermometer. However, when I stuck the thermometer in the boiling water it shot up to where it should for boiling water.

Anyways, I ended up with about 2-2.5 oz of a thick black/green liquid. I am going to try it out in a couple days so I will be sure to post results.

Well, I put 2.5 ml in a beer and drank it, and I fell asleep about 2 hours later. I was tired from going to bed late and waking up early. I slept about 4 hours and when I woke up I didn't feel stoned so I think its bunk. I am going to try 5 mL tonight and see if there is any effect.

I've never actually baked the plant material before hand- always used the freezer method - and it seems to get me good. I do boil it down for 1-2 hours though so I wonder if that is sufficient...

My bro and i got some shake from some okay dro and made a batch just about 10 min ago and took 1mL just to try it out to see if itll work. Everything went perfectly except we had to simmer the ground dro for a little longer due to dropping temps.

Let you all kno how im feeling in about an hour

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Originally Posted by DoDoFoShoDoe

My bro and i got some shake from some okay dro and made a batch just about 10 min ago and took 1mL just to try it out to see if itll work. Everything went perfectly except we had to simmer the ground dro for a little longer due to dropping temps.

Let you all kno how im feeling in about an hour

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So how did it go?

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Originally Posted by DoDoFoShoDoe

My bro and i got some shake from some okay dro and made a batch just about 10 min ago and took 1mL just to try it out to see if itll work. Everything went perfectly except we had to simmer the ground dro for a little longer due to dropping temps.

Let you all kno how im feeling in about an hour

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Oh no not another one lost in space! At least he's got a familly member with him.

I too tried to use a meat therm... no way!

Go to walmart or what not and spend the 3-4$ on a candy therm.

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Originally Posted by Mandelbrot

Oh no not another one lost in space! At least he's got a familly member with him.

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I miss the days when every month or so we'd have somone say, "I made a gallon of Green Dragon and I'm, drinking the whole thing right now! Woo-hoo!"

And then you'd never here from them again!

Ha ha! I'm sure that's not what happened this time, but it brought a little nostalgic tear to my eye...

hey, i live in amsterdam (it's fucking sweet:rastasmoke:), and i was wondering if anyone knew whether it was better to store the weed as chunks or to grind it and store it that way. does it even make a difference?