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Just one or two points:
It's been a LONG time since I've had thermodynamics, but either the second or third law states that the complexity of a system does not increase without outside intervention.
Macroevolution postulates that over the years oraganisms climbed the ladder to more and more complex organisms randomly.
It would be likened to a refrigerator which pumps heat from a colder environment to a warmer one, without work/ or design from an outside system. Would anyone believe in that?
Man created god(s) out of his imagination and lack of understanding of the universe.
? There never was just one Christianity. Out of the milieu of religiosity that infected the Roman world, dozens of competing and conflicting Jesus/Sun-god/Mystery cults emerged.
? Nothing in the 'Christian message' was original. It was a vulgarised paganism, debased by religious intolerance. The early Christian sects attacked each other as energetically as they attacked pagans.
? The composite 'Jesus Christ' character ?? god, man, king, carpenter, conqueror, peace-maker, dispenser of justice, advocate of love ?? was assembled to try and unify a fragmented and fractious messianic religious movement.
? The first believers in Jesus maintained he was an ethereal spirit, much like other sky/sun-gods. Only later did he acquire a human death, a human life and finally a human birth.
? The original Mary was not a virgin. The idea was borrowed from pagan goddesses.
? The barbarian tribes that overran the weakened Roman Empire were, for the most part, Christianized; the forces that opposed them, pagan.
? The Church expropriated the resources ?? both human and material ?? which might have defended Roman civilization. While an indolent army of clerics lived on the state, the impoverished legions degenerated into a peasant militia.
? Once a particular Christianity ?? hierarchical and authoritarian ?? became wedded to the Roman state, it became a force of brutal repression. This so-called 'orthodoxy' suppressed and persecuted its 'heretical' opposition.
? A triumphant Christianity was the active agent in destroying knowledge and access to learning. An ignorant and impoverished population was more readily subjugated by Princes of the Church.
http://jesusneverexisted.com/
Wish you could change the second option, it makes me seem like I'm crazy..but I believe in God and I know he exsists. You guys need to watch The History Channel, you cant miss it. I think their showing Armageddon stuff until 6/6/06
God begets Chaos; Chaos begets Life.
Simple fact is..... if everything and all of exsistance can come from NOTHING (that means no atoms no antimatter NOTHING) and you think that some how that proves that it could not just as easy be CREATED by something allways there? YOUR PROF that god does not exsist could explane why he does just the same....
HENCE WORDS WORDS WORDS....
But what we do understand that in this Life (world we have and still live in) that all that have come into and become powerful have crupted ( goverment , religion,all the companys anyone comming into power) and even this so called USA goverment is thinking of taking our rights away and wants WAR and OIL all GREED!
This is the 1st time in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD that mankind is a world order! the INTERNET has changed us no longer are we all not conected. If god was trying to prove SATAN wrong this world and whats comming will PROVE once and forall not even all of conected mankind can fix our problems. IF NOWS NOT ARAMEGEDON (the deciding factor that says satan has finaly proved himself FULLY WRONG) than your all right we came from nothing and will go back to nothing from wich we came.....
I chose to look at whats happening and can see this world today will FAIL
It takes a lot of faith to believe the earth came from nothing, a puddle of water came from nowhere, a thing crawled out of the puddle, found some food to eat from nothing, and found a mate from nowhere to reproduce.
Takes more common sense than faith to say someone put it there. I guess some people believe everything they hear from school or on t.v. The word pre-history is less than 150 years old because it is a new idea to a new religion called evolution. It is a religion to beleive something that has no facts to support it.
In order for something to be classified as scientific you have to have a theory, perform and expiriment or test, and you must come up with a conclusion. A theory is not science and should not be included in the testbooks. They are using the schools and t.v. to promote thier religion, and everybody is buying into it.
I can't explain why false religion is easier to except than the truth. I guess it's the same reason why marijuana is illegal. People will believe anything the goverment or t.v. says. :thumbsup:
Theories are science; I don't know where you get definition. Plus you seem to have contradicted yourself, unless I misunderstood what you wrote. The scientific method is only one tool of science and there are other ways to gain information on our Universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by msactech1
As for Evolution, maybe you should read up the idea about where the Earth came from. It certainly isn't from nothing. It's linked to the Big Bang, galaxy formation, star formation, the formation of elements inside of stars, the evolution of stars, super novae, gravity, chemistry, and a lot more. And all of these objects are studied using observations and models, not always using the scientific method.
It's not that scientists have a belief in evolution; it's currently the best theory that fits the observations (Very nicely as well.) If another idea came along that was even better scientists would throw out evolution and put that theory as number one instead. (I use the term ??throw out? loosely, for it does take time for new theories to become well accepted)
No religion (that I know of) come close to anything like this.
ROFL so everything came from nothing? So you think that all of a sudden a atom formed ? out of no where a atom came to be with the code of the universe and all of a sudden it exploded and made everything? and you think im crazy for saying that just the same, God came from no where and made it? just the fact that you can belive an atom came from nothing i'd rather to have god come from nothing. Somehow everything liveing that we know of billions and billions of creatures all came from some big exploshion! So after we Nuked Japan did we create life? big bang.... lol
How do you know life is nothing more then an illusion?
Sometimes I wish life was an illusion.
I have read up on evolution. I went to school, too. What I am saying is that evolution is not a fact backed up by physical evidence. It is a theory that people choose to put thier faith into. It is a bunch of ideas built up to support an idea. It is a religion. Some people choose Jesus, some Budda, some Alah, some evolutionist, ect.
If you want to believe in evolution, that is your right, but as often as I see offensive comments about my beliefs, I have to be honest. It's the stupidest idea I've ever heard of.
I like to respect others beliefs and way of life, but everytime I see a person say something positive about Christainity someone else knocks it down. Why should I speak respectable things about other religions when all you people do is curse Christianity. I would be willing to respect everyone's beliefs if everyone would agree to respect my form of Christianity.
It's human nature to hide from God. The first thing Adam and Eve did when thier eyes were opened was go and hide from God. That's all evolution is. A place to try to hide from God. Good luck with that.
I'd be more willing to keep my ideas about evolution off this website, but I don't see the fairness when every thread I open, somebodies putting down Christianity.
I can agree with somethings. I do not agree with bible thumpers who try to portray God as a fire breathing tyrant. He is Love, Life, and Creator. You must understand that most people who claim Christianity are selling a nazi communist version of Christianity. According to my Bible I am free from the laws of sin and death. There is no condemnation for those who follow Christ, the only true God. :thumbsup:
I'm not saying I do think life is only an illusion... but it's a possibility and no one really can say what life is or isn't. Religion was created by man and whatever religion you choose you are not right or wrong, there are no right and wrongs with religion. Nothing can be proven, it's all opinion/faith based, you can not argue one is better then the other.
Religions are fucking complicated
you dont....nothing can be proved so we dont actually know anything about anything....Quote:
Originally Posted by skarz
""Descartes was writing one evening in his room, and he thought to himself (paraphrasing very loosely): What if I am asleep in bed right now, and only dreaming that I am awake, and writing? Isn't that at least possible? Then he said, well surely, I can tell when I am awake and when I am asleep. I can tell the difference between wakefulness and a dream. All sorts of strange things happen in dreams; I pass unaccountably from scene to scene when I'm dreaming; I don't have any long memory of what happened in a day, when I'm dreaming; and so forth. Then Descartes said: Haven't I had those very thoughts in some of my dreams? Sometimes, when I was dreaming, I was convinced that I was awake! I even tried to test that I was awake, when I was dreaming, and the tests convinced me that I was awake! But I was wrong; I was dreaming. Isn't it quite possible that the same thing is happening to me right now? Isn't it possible that I am dreaming that I can test whether I'm awake or asleep -- and of course, in my dream, I pass the test? So it seems really vivid to me right now that I'm awake -- but in fact, I'm asleep?
Well, Descartes said to himself, I guess there aren't any definite signs, or tests, that I could use to tell whether I'm asleep or dreaming. I could, after all, be dreaming those very tests. I have experience of doing that, thinking that I passed the test for being awake, when really I was only dreaming. So there isn't any way to tell that I am awake now. I cannot possibly prove that I am awake. So, Descartes said to himself, I don't really know that I am awake now and writing in the evening. For all I really know, I could be asleep. That's Descartes' dreaming doubt.""
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_skepticism)
Read that page on wikipedia....it's really quite interesting.....but I think I think too much about things like this!!
I just noticed that you said nothing cn be proved....i agree....you also said it's down to perception.....but how can you be sure what you are percieving is real? It could be anything.....
My head is sooooo confused about shit like this....not to the point where it effects my life but just enough that I can't even comprehend what the fuck im thinking of......hahaha maybe it's just the weed!!
My words fall on deaf ears...
...or is it willingly ignorant?
If I said I know a book that is two thousand years old that says you would be here saying what you said, would you believe me, then? We have so much knowledge in the world today and so many fools full of knowledge. Could it be that all this knowledge is worthless without wisdom? You don't even know if you are real or not. Of course you are real, you just don't have a clue where the hell you came from or where you'll be after this life. Or do you, but just chose to reject wisdom?
May I quote from that book I mentioned earlier?
<2Peter 3:3-18>
<3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.[a]
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.[b]That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.>
If this offends you, I'm sorry. Most people are dissapointed when they hear the truth. This should not enrage anybody because I am obviously out numbered, here.
I came here to read about my other passion, marijuana. I just think that it's so rediculous that I constantly hear people complaining that thier religion has people insulting it, while at the same time they insult my religion. I'm not Republican. They're liars. They say they are Christian and then take all your rights. I'm for religious freedom. Why can't people find some other religion to bash besides Christianity?
:thumbsup:
I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers. When I get tired of this, I'll go away so we can be at peace with each other. Be nice if we could meet and smoke a big ass fatty together. I think we'd have a deeper respect for each other, then. It's easy to insult each other or feel insulted when we're just words on a page. I just hope you can understand that true Christians are not the ones trying to take you're freedom. The ones that are, they are either liars are following the liars.
Let's try to be at peace. Stop bashing my faith and you'd never heard from me. My friends have different beliefs than me. That's fine, we just have to find some other subject to relate. So, you can speak nicely of my beliefs understanding that I'm not out to get you. I want my freedom and people to respectfully allow me to live my life, just like you. I can't help it if the majority of the world follows Christianity out of popularity. They are not with me.:thumbsup:
I understand where you're coming from msactech1, but just because it was written in a book ages ago doesn't mean it is right. There is no way to determine right or wrong, it's all based on belief and the reason christianity has spread so far is mainly because it was forced on a lot of cultures and now it is common worldwide. I'm not bashing christians at all, their choice is their choice, I live in a family of christians. The fact is a book doesn't justify one group saying their right and someone else's beliefs aren't just because this book says so.
no such thing as god, and jesus isn't really the son of "god". all made up hocus pocus. evolution, it's common sense
I'm sorry that you are wrong. I hope that one day your eyes will be opened to the Truth. Untill then we can just be bud buddies.
I think I'm about done with this thread. I'm not going to argue. There is no way anybody could change my mind. You might as well tell me my weed is pink. I have experienced God's work in my life and will not accept any other explanation. Another reason is so you won't think I'm trying to force you to believe me. One of my main points I'm trying to make is that I respect people's rights to choose for themselves. I do not bash the religions of my friends because they allow me to freely view life as I see it. I try to avoid insulting anyone about thier ethnic background, religion, ect. I even strive to accept gay people. Jesus taught me not to judge people or look down on them.
I am even supposed to love my enemy. Hard to do because I can't think of any, but if I do get an enemy I will try to remember to love him.
Anyways good to meet your writings. Hopefully some of yall know a lot about weed. I will see you again, than, in the other threads. I will try to resist the temptation, but if I post again in this thread, I just couldn't help myself.
Peace out.
Msactech1 a.k.a. JesusMadePot
I don't think Jesus made pot, I think God would've made it far before Jesus did.
Jesus was God incarnate. To be in Israel in those days and claim to be the Son of God would of been the same as claiming to be equal to God. He revealed Himself throughout the old and mostly the new testement as God.
The Bible says the Spirit created the earth. The Spirit is the power and presence of God. That is the same power Jesus the Christ used to heal and do miracles. It is also the reserection power that raised Him from death. Jesus had this power because He was God incarnate. He became man so He could die and defeat the laws of sin and death because only a person who lived a perfect life could do that. No man is perfect, so He chose to become a man to die and pay the penalty for sin. He just doesn't force you to accept the gift He gave when He died. You are allowed to reject Him. He doesn't force it, so niether do I. I'm just honest and open about it.
What I am saying is that there is only one God. We call Him triune because He revealed Himself to man as God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son. Same God but in three different forms. That is why I believe Jesus is God the Creator. It says He created all the plants, pot included. I believe pot is a sacred medicine. It's not for everybody, but it is good for me.
I couldn't help it. I just wanted to answer your question so you would see where I was coming from. No harm intended. Thank you for listening.
I hope that clarified things cuzz I'm really :stoned:
I think i know what you're saying... but isn't "God" the creator of everything?I understand that when Jesus came to earth or w/e that was god in a physical living form... but since God created everything doesn't that mean he created weed, not Jesus? (Even though they are the same being, God came before Jesus)
Yes, I believe God created everything. It was also the same God that became a little human baby, destined to die for mankind. He wasn't given the name Jesus until He was a child. So, before He came to earth and lived a life as Jesus, He created the earth and weed. At the time He created everything, He had not been born a man or recieved the name Jesus.
I believe that when I die, God will give me a new name. Even though I don't know what it is, it is still 'my name'. The same as Him. He wasn't named Jesus, yet, but He was destined to recieve that name. So, Jesus created everything before He bacame a man or recieved the name Jesus.
Now He has already come to earth and left. The only way a man can know God is by knowing Jesus. By becoming man, we are better able to understand God's personality. A man just isn't able to comprehend God unless He stoops down to man's level. Man met God face to face, and wrote about it so we would know what God was like. Because I am human, it helps me to look at God through Jesus so I can understand His personality, a little better.
You doubters are forgetting the root of Christianity...FAITH. Blessed are those who believe without seeing. Turn away from your scientific approach for just a moment and pray. Reach out to God. Faith is not something that is tangible for you to pick up and examine under a microscope. God is within you whether you think so or not. Its now up to you to find him and establish a relationship.
Faith is a lot of atheist's biggest problem. What better system to keep people convinced than one where you believe based on nothing? Don't believe because we have evidence, don't believe because it's logical, just believe because you should. When a belief is based on accepting something for no other reason than belief in itself, I'm going to start asking questions. "faith" is nothing more than a convenient system to make sure nobody asks questions when a claim can't hold up against scrutiny.Quote:
Originally Posted by sackojaweedya
The doubters don't have to turn to god though.... there are hundreds of religions out there, christianity definetely isn't for everyone. You don't even have to follow organized religion... you can be completely spiritual without ever following a religion.
you got it thereQuote:
Originally Posted by skarz
In the Book "The Holographic Reality" it tells about a lot of different scientific observations that fall into the unexplainable catagory. All of these facts do point toward the holographic reality theory being true. It tells about Einstiens thoeries, Steven Hawkings, Quantum physics, different psyciatric examinations, hospital and the paranormal ect.
For example there was people with split personalities that had one personality that was perfectly healthy untill the other personality took over that had cancer really bad. The one with the cancer had huge tumors all over the body and when the healthy personality took over the tumors just vanished instantly. This happened all the time to this person and was well documented.
People on acid under experiments have demonstrated telepathy.
Scientists have found that atoms, no matter how far can communicate with another instantly.
They have just found out how to reverse light.
Science still learns new things all the time
they still havent proven how thought is formed
If you have ever had a breakthrough with Salvia or ahyuasca you will know there are other dimensions on top of ours with other beings that inhabit them.
Funny you should say that. Last time I did salvia I felt like there were these streams of consciousness pulling me different ways, and every stream was its own conscious entity. I remember when one suddenly losened its grip and the other started taking me with it, and I could recognize each being without giving them a name or title, and at the time I understood so clearly that it was so interesting that so-and-so had released me to other so-and-so. I understood the significance, but that part is unfortunately gone now. I don't know what to make of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by harmonicminor
Evolution or God?
What if we evolved by Gods will?
here we go
this will show you guys what happened
http://www.wimp.com/bigbang/
I don't think anyone is right.... or that anyone is wrong for that matter. We can all speculate and voice our beliefs, but deep down, we don't know if we're right. Not to offend any religious folk here, but you can not prove god, beyond belief, and beliefs can't be proven it's just something you have to put your heart into and go with. Same with evolution, big bang, etc... it can't be scientifically proven yet, no one really KNOWS what's happening it's all speculation.
I do have one question for those who know religion though because I'm still trying to learn more about it.
- How do you explain dinosaur fossils millions of years old
- If Adam and Eve were the 2 ppl who started reproducing, how does that explain so many different ethnic groups.
I believe in evolution. I also believe in some sort of higher power. I don't think it's a dude who died for our sins or whatever. More of a universal observer I guess.
What you don??t understand is that evolution is a theory to explain the physical evidence. The same process they used to develop this theory is the same as the path taken in the development of any other scientific or technological field.Quote:
Originally Posted by msactech1
I guess I'm confused about what you say "evolutionists" believe in. I see plenty of physical evidence; vestigial organs, DNA similarities, the types of fossils in different sediment layers, mutation of viruses and bacterial, the ability for animals to adapt to new environments (these are the only ones I can think of.) All of these fit nicely into the theory of Evolution and that is why I "believe" in it.
It shouldn??t be a competition between religion and science; theories in science are not the same as the ideas in a belief structure. One is an understanding of both the physical and ideas, and the other is all faith.
I guess I should add that the theories are never 100% correct, they exist to explain the bare minimum. Reality will always be infinatly more complex. Ex: fluid dynamics and steallar models.
For me it's really the same thing.
i've been getting really pissed at religion the last few days, actually since i saw the (not very interesting) film Da Vince Code. People are so underdeveloped, still. Killing for god. Absurdity.
Sad, sad little planet. Could (can) be so nice! ;)
The whole theory of evolution would be destroyed if a fossil were found from the precambian period. A fossil found from that time would prove that life forms inhabited the Earth from the beginning, which the Holy Bible states. Humans could not peacefully coexist with dinosaurs. Dinosaurs would eliminate any sign of the human race. Not only that, dinosaurs were wiped out from some worldwide disaster. Wouldn't homo sapiens die too? Belief of a God just doesn't make sense to me. How many religions are there? Hundreds, maybe thousands of them. People constantly wonder about and strive to find their origin. Hundreds of years ago people had basically no technology or accurate scientific instruments. They used their imagination. Therefore, a God came into play. Ancient civilization had no police to keep order. They wrote a book "from their God" and his expectations to put fear into the people. YOU GO AGAINST YOUR GOD AND YOU SHALL PERISH!!! It's just a way to keep civilians in line. Since they were so curious about who created them, they believed all that nonsense. If you had no scientific knowledge, you would believe anything as well. Do you get my drift? Religion spread across the world and evolved, and this is where we are today. A brainwashed society filled with curiosity on fallacy. You can believe a book full of miracle stories and odd creatures, or you can believe a skeletal fossil and scientific evidence. It's your choice.
Evolution is a fact, as is some sort of big event that happened to create the universe around 13 billion years ago. However, no one knows what happened just before that big event. It requires a singularity, where all the matter in the universe was compressed into a point that was infinitely small. All science can tell is what happened just after this big event. God fits neatly into the space just beforehand, in my opinion.
I've never seen god as some kind of figure, but then again... what is god?
God= universal conscience, WE, US, all ONE?
God= the 70% of our brain that we don't know how to use?
God= the universe, the cells, our body, a mathematical equation?
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Originally Posted by Euphoric
pointing out that socialy, and politically, society was religious is true. You do understand the danger of a religious society, however you are very confused to say ~ that time was the hieght of the chuch age.
That period was a deteriorated condition, of the religious society that Jesus himself criticized.
Jesus hated religion with a perfect hatred, It was an outward form (denying the sickness on the inside), it is pushy, judgemental. Religion is the Antithesis
of true faith and relationship with God.
Oh by the way, scientist have acknowleged that evolution is impossible.
A single cell is irreducible, an absence of any of the thousands of chemical interactions, would render it lifeless.
To think it just gradually came together with all these things present.???
Would be dishonest.
It has been the only theorum that science had embraced that denies the laws of thermal dynamics. Systems move toward disorder rather than order.
You are just pissed at ~ basically the same thing Jesus was.
Maybe you should reexamine your logic for blaming God.
God aged this earth perfectly within just the first few reported days in Gen Ch:1 something else stupid human logic tries to figure out,
We have all done this. These insites are what make up true epiphones.
I hope I have many more.
That the second time you say that... Which scientist are you talking about? I read some stuff on the subject, and I have yet to encounter a real scientist, not a religious pseudo-scientist, who does not believe in evolution. If you're so sure about yourself, instead of saying "scientists", give some names.Quote:
Originally Posted by braddog100
I would suggest a search for Thomas Sharp. An naturalist, scientist, researcher.
Athiest, will no longer debate him. His knowledge and handle on facts rather than swallowing what the athiest intellectual elite have aspoused,...
They have no answer for.
Also, as he has pointed out, even the scientist, predisposed to athiesm,
is haveing to acknowledge the fact that a single cell could not have just occured. Come on! It's too complex.
Those that have had some need to deny God, His rightfull place, has relegated themselves to far out streches of logic ~ the need to believe, to the extent that
They are then blinded to truth.
This is not the only major problem with evolution.
I'm not here to jab at the athiest. at this site, I am just dismayed at the constant jabs here against God and some of those that believe.
I've dealt with chronic pain, and interestingly enough, web MD ~posted a letter Re the benefits of med. weed. just learning to understand more about this. that's all... abadee.. abadee.. abadee.. Thats' all Folks!!!
Brad