Damn...I just read that. Sorry budbro, I didn't mean to sound so flippant! I better get some meds...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by OMB
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Damn...I just read that. Sorry budbro, I didn't mean to sound so flippant! I better get some meds...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by OMB
wasnt meant disrespectfully...im trying to learn...i know she knows what she is doing...but id still like to know what she is looking at or what is telling her this...its my inquisitive nature....Quote:
Originally Posted by OMB
Me too budbro. Alway's looking to learn something new, that's how you keep Growing. (No pun intended) ;) Sorry again though...my head was in another thread I had already replied too.Quote:
Originally Posted by budbro28
Hopefully Catbuds will jump in with her expertise and we will both know about you cuttings diagnosis. :thumbsup:
Surely Budb is older than 10or11, you shouldn't talk sh#t about a sweet young thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by OMB
The silver tongued devil himself....you are smooth ranger! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by tlranger
this comment is going to piss some of you off but oh well...my curiosity got the best of me and i took one clone and open'd up the rockwool to see if there was any growth...nope...not a single root sprout on day 4-5...i have one clone that was starting to show some wilting so i used that one as the sacrificial lamb so to speak....other three are still perky and lush green...will keep updated....
dude! Relax man. your fucking with your plants too too much. and clones grow super super slow. if you want faster results, pop some more seeds they will outgrow clones any day.
you could also get or build a clone machine, which will help speed up the process. I just made one, we shall see how it works! I clipped budding stems. lol. prob will take firkin forever but ohwell im in no hurry
so far 1 week in root hormones and cup of water, nothing. yet. 1 day in clone machine still nothing... lol Welcome to the Party! :thumbsup:
hahaha...story of my life...yeah im gunna throw some new seeds in some paper towels next week probably:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by growdemon
probably do 4 of the same i germed in november....and keep the three i royally fucked up and see how they turn out...wont be fucking em up like this last batch...
Why would we get ticked off? :)
They are your babies to screw up any way you wish.
If I offer good advice, and it gets ignored, no problem.
You are going to learn something that way.
We were all in your position at one time.
I was particularly hard to tutor.
Could not leave well enough alone.
I still owe a couple of my mentors an apology or two. :D
But I'm sure they did some grinning watching me thrash about.
Aloha,
Weeze
im really trying to do what yall tell me....i swear...i really do appreciate they assitance...if this shit were easy i suppose everyone would do it huh? i WILL get this down...I WILL....mark my MoFo'ing words...determinations is key. if you feel like im ignoring youre advice...i promise it is not intentional...ive put all nutes in the closet and wont touch em till plants start showing signs of wanting them..please dont stop helping me out....older advice tends to be the advice that counts...with age comes wisdom...
Live and learn, learn and love
Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu---May all beings everywhere be happy and free and may the thoughts, words and actions of my own life contribute in some way to that happiness and to that freedom for all.
budbro I learned some time ago when I was new to lab research that the way to go when you are curious is to do two things, 1. do what you've been told, and 2. do a second experiment the way you want, but don't tell the boss unless it works. If it doesn't, the boss is no more the wiser and you learned something. If it does, he thinks you're a genius.;)
Just want to ask what you did see, I know you said no roots, but can you describe the condition of the stem from the bottom up. And what's your temp, environment and water.Quote:
Originally Posted by budbro28
well the stem seemed to be almost soggy... i used distilled water to soak the rock wool cubes in...havent been watering them at all because the rockwoll seemed to hold water pretty good....on day three i took a paper towel out set all rock wool cubes on it for a few seconds to dry em out (they seemed a little to wet) didnt want to drown them...been opening dome daily and have been spraying the dome hood with distilled water....the stem its self seemed to have some grayish spots towards the end where it was split...i can always reopen it and take a picture...the same one if that helps ranger.....i also germ'd 4 of the same seeds i started in this grow to "start over" in a sense....hopefully they all take and ill have 8 plants but if the clones dont take ill have the 4 new seeds to go with....
The soggy and the gray, does not sound good at all. And the wilty is your first sign. I use a tropical fish tank heater in my reservoir which keeps temp about 80° or slightly higher. Cold water watering can knock them in the head, but don't cook them either.
Attachment 297804Attachment 297805Attachment 297806Attachment 297807Attachment 297808Attachment 297809Attachment 297810the first picture shows the discoloration but that was the worse looking one...whats your take range?Quote:
Originally Posted by tlranger
ill open that one back up and take a picture....its about 75-80 in the dome...and ive been spraying with water that is room temp about 75...i dont know what else i can be doing other than let go and let the cannabis gods take the reigns lol....
Budbro that is exactly what some of mine looked like that I lost this week. They were about 10 days in. A few had sprouted roots and were fine but 4 of them started wilting and getting "sunken" areas on the leaves. I pulled them out and they had the same grayish, soggy look. The one condition I did not control well was temp. When I read ranger's comment the light-bulb went off. I was giving them cold water and the room temp was 50-70F, usually on the cooler end. I took some new ones tonight and I'm going to put a heat mat under them with some thing to use as a spacer, so they're not sitting directly on it. Hopefully it will be enough to warm up the interior of the dome.
"Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu---May all beings everywhere be happy and free and may the thoughts, words and actions of my own life contribute in some way to that happiness and to that freedom for all."
There ya go.
Kinda sums it all up.
Short version?
Malama da aina, and noho pono!
Love the land and be a good person.
No worries brah.
That was Hawaiian, sideways sarcasm.
I'm enjoying this thread.
And I'm learning from it.
So, unlax, and mahalo,
Wee
That is stem rot.
It actually happens faster as temperatures rise.
Cut it off, dip the cut end in any good fungicide.
And try again.
I don't get rot anymore.
Not sure if you skipped post #179, or just didn't understand it?
Maybe go read it again.
Look at the pictures.
For rainwater, read distilled water.
Same thing.
And that's why I no longer get pythium on my cuttings. :)
Thanks for proving my point, brah.
Like I said, we can all learn from your thread. :)
Mahalo,
Weeze
i read it but didnt really understand it....some times i have a hard time to decipher some of these responses....should i cut that end off and redip in root hormone?
Good question budbro, I am wondering that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromophore
I only use water that is in jugs in my cabinet, including my misting bottle. That way the temp is always the the same as the plants. I lost a cutting to the same grayish, blackish
issue early on. I suspected it was too moist and started fungus and rot instead of rooting.
Beats me, but I don't let 'em get too wet anymore...... and Thanks Weezard, I was having heat issues about that time too. That explains it.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by budbro28
But the culprit here is water that is too pure.
It pulls salts from plants through osmotic pressure, has 0 trace elements and no anti bacterial or anti fungal additives.
Had my cuttings go all sickly in distilled water.
Got tired of that.
Hmmm, I thought, that's exactly why they put chloramine in our tap water.
To kill da "bad bugs".
So I looked chloramine up.
Plants are unaffected by it, the roots don't take it up. (sound familiar?) :)
Switched to tap water.
Problem solved.
If that is not clear enough, I give up.
It's the best I can do.
Aloha,
Weeze
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Originally Posted by OMB
Not the moisture either my friend.
Think about it.
Ya don't get any moister than sitting in the water up to your neck, yah?
As long as that water has air dissolved in it they will not drown.
It's the reason I quit using rockwool.
Those cubes "sog out" and go stagnant unless you give them fresh, well aerated, water at least once a day.
And if you do get them to root, the Rockwool can go stagnant later on and cause stem rot in an adult plant.
Hate the stuff.
Not too crazy about Hydrotron either, for different reasons.
But that's a whole 'nother rant. :D
Aloha,
Weeze
Crap. Now I'm really confused. I'll tell you, there is more conflicting info about cloning Cannabis than just about any subject I've come across. I'm thinking starting from seed might be the best way to go. Not sure why I'm cloning all this stuff anyway. I haven't even had my first harvest yet. Those rockwool cubes bother me too. Something I have to treat with acid because it's too alkaline to support plant growth? :wtf: That should have been my first clue.
well shucks.....yea ive made peace with the fact these probably wont make it...thats why i germ'd 4 more seeds today....obviously this isnt my calling...fucking bummed...calling it a night with a chocolate milkshake and a back rub from the lady...
Thanks Weeze, I appreciate the lesson. I have never used Rockwool personally, but it sure looks like a mushy sponge when wet. Lot's of people using it, and it seems to work, but I guess I'm just a down low dirt guy. :)
I prefer to water everyday as well. Frankly, I just like interacting with the plants. Makes me feel good. :jointsmile:
Chromophore....Save yourself some grief man. Take a couple cuttings, prep the stem,dip in the root powder and stick it in the medium. I have used both Black gold potting soil and Black gold cutting mix. The Mix is what I'm using right now. Throw them in a dome, mist 'em a couple times a day and don't put in strong direct light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromophore
Done....quit sweating 'em buddy, you have seeds if it doesn't work. No worries, your plants are friggin' beautiful, you can play with the cuttings next go. :thumbsup:
OMB. good words.
Yes, Weez is right, the rotting and the mold and other diseases, progress more rapidly at the higher temps. What I am saying is that I want the cuttings to take off, and grow roots before this starts. As soon as the end becomes infected then the cutting loses its ability to take up water, and then is more susceptible to any of the above.
The cold, which Weez might not have on the island, slows the cutting down, which allows these things to occur, but doesn't CAUSE them to occur. The cause is the plant pulling these bad things in though the stem, which is unfiltered by the root tissue. There are many cell membranes in the roots that are made to keep the bad stuff out. It grows in dirt but you'll find no dirt inside a healthy stem, the roots are picky that way.
The warmth that I supply just keeps the new cutting at an optimum growing condition, so that the roots can form at the sharp cut end, or the spilt area which some prefer, or the scraped area on the stem. some like. My fav is the node point under the medium that contains cells that are still deciding what they want to be. These can quickly become roots and thus filters to take up what the plant really wants, not just anything available. Example, some color flowers by cutting and placing in dye, with roots to filter this doesn't happen.
Air layering may be the ultimate answer, but far too labor intensive for the numbers I want.
So basically I'm thinking it's a race, between the plant growing roots, and the invasion of whatever might be able to kill it. The temp gives the root development an edge, and that is why I use the distilled water, the cleanest I could think of (free of pathogens) is just another advantage. The rootting hormones protect and encourage, which is another edge.
But I am just an old fart, who found something that works for me, and am guessing as to why it works. Placing the cuttings in a glass or beer bottle filed with clean water(no pathogens) probably protects the stem while it tries to reroot. Plus if it has be sterilized, by your water man, so much the better.
Take with a grain of salt, they are few things in science we know "all" about.
If one were to sprinkle Mycorrhizael powder into the growing medium (or dip the bottom of the cutting in it before putting in the growing medium), would this help in the use of RO/distilled water because it adds positive bacteria and fungus? I have been told to sprinkle the powder around the new growing medium when transplanting a whole plant to a new pot and make sure the roots are touching the powder for the beneficial bacteria and fungi, so wouldn't the same concept apply to a cutting?
well update on the seeds after 12 hours...got some superseeds... or something all have burst the seed shell and three out of 4 have the tap root already out...gunna wait till about 1/4 inch and put em in some dirt...and start ALL over
i think im gunna make a new grow log for this second batch of seeds...what yall think or should i keep it on this one?
I think you should start a new one. New Grow, New plants, new log. I think it will keep those results clearer than adding pages to your first grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by budbro28
It's really hard to clone after you harvest, having said that I know that you can reveg. But by the time you get to the smoke report time, even that opportunity may be passed. Then your sitting in the way chair with your buds saying this number 5 is some really good sh#t, wish I had more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromophore
:jointsmile: yes start a new one, we've already jacked this one enough, give us a new one to work on.:thumbsup:
Hahahahaha....You are right ranger!
haha will do...ill start it up when i plant em in some dirt....
would actinovate be a suitable fungacide to dip the cutting in? or sprinkle in the rockwool to keep from funky shit happening...open'd doom and got a funky dirty sneaker smell