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MedicallyMotivated
I do not sell oil but am more than happy to answer any questions you have.
Like Weezard said, you can pretty much do a google search and find us in many different places. I am GrowGoddess Michigan on Facebook and Grow Goddess or GrowGoddess elsewhere. You will know it is me by my owl picture.
There are many helpful folks here, Weezard being one of them. Feel free to ask any questions you may have, we are here to help.
Thank you so much for replying GrowGoddess....I guess I could ask my question here about Michigan's rules/policies, as others may have the same one. I already know you have to be a resident of Michigan to become a patient of MM, correct? I suppose my question to you is, if my husband can accomplish this, (by moving in with a friend), could you THEN treat him specifically with the rso? Because I'm so used to getting my hopes up, just to be disappointed, I'm already anticipating that you're going to tell me there are all kinds of hoops to jump through and red tape to get through. Thought I would ask anyway. Thank you for letting me know where else you can be reached. I appreciate that, and your willingness to help whatever way you can.
I replied to your post Weezard, and now cannot find my reply!! Darn it all....please tell me if YOU can see it? I'll have to respond again..if not. smh
Great...I spent 20 minutes on my reply to you Weezard, and it is not here. I started by saying your post brought tears to my eyes....simply because you "get" what we are going through. Sounds like your wife also gets it..but it's a horrible feeling when all you do is worry and stress all day and night. It's so counterproductive and draining. Anyway, I'm having trouble recalling exactly what my first reply said, so I'll just say now that I will definitely try to find you elsewhere in order to have that private conversation...just because my mind is already on information overload, and I need to keep it simple, direct and focused. I hope you understand. At this point, all I can hope for is that kind and sympathetic people such as yourself and GG, will guide me in the right direction. My goal IS to make the oil myself, but I've already ran into problems with that, and I did consider posting about that, (in order to possibly help someone else) and if you recommend I do ask about the problem, I will. My energy and focus is limited, and I can only concentrate on the problem one emotion at a time...if that makes ANY sense to you at all. Thank you so much for replying at all Weezard. I'm going to try and keep my username the same if I can find you elsewhere, so you will know who it is....
"My energy and focus is limited, and I can only concentrate on the problem one emotion at a time...if that makes ANY sense to you at all."
More than most my friend.
Am there. Doing that.
Here's what I advise myself, several times a day.
When I start to feel that everybody and everything is extremely irritating.
And feelings of rage start to bubble and churn.
It's not really anger.
It's displaced feelings of helplessness.
We are not helpless, just haven't found what we CAN do.
I've done what I can to address my problems.
With some success. :)
You seem to have a grip on that part.
I can see you working on it.
It gets frustrating, yah?
That's when this:
"I did consider posting about that, (in order to possibly help someone else)"
Helps enormously!
It's a positive, human coping mechanism.
My efforts to help others are actually quite selfish, psychologically.
We're not powerless if we can empower someone else.
In order to do so, I need to research and experiment.
(It' fits my talents and abilities. )
I get lost in it for hours. :)
What I learn, I share.
Now let me go find you on a more functional board.
Aloha, nui,
Wee
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Originally Posted by MedicallyMotivated
Happened to me many times here, but only to long, inspired, posts that I was proud of. :(
Got in the habit of doing a Control-C after each paragraph.
Check your reputation comments.
Aloha,
Wee
I really need some help!
The story is.... my husband has malignant melanoma stage 4. Started on the scalp and went down to lymph nodes on the neck and chest, then lungs and liver. (Liver is badly affected).
He's taking the RSO for a month. From the start he has taken large doses, and in 7 days he was ingesting a gram daily. The symptoms were at first heavy sleeping, increase in appetite, redness of the eyeballs, loss of memory, etc. That started to slowly fade away but then he started to burp heavily, and to vomit every 2 days. Lost his appetite and started to vomit every day, sometimes after taking his dose and sometimes when he woke up. The situation got worse. Today he vomited 6-7 times and can't take his dose anymore because of the constant nausea and frequent vomiting. He feels very bad. So in your experience could it be that he is having something called cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?
What can we do to stop this?
Please help me!
"So in your experience could it be that he is having something called cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?"
I doubt that.
Cannabis is an excellent anti-emetic.
It is used to treat nausea and vomiting albeit in much smaller doses.
As I understand it, these are symptoms of the loss of hepatic function.
The fact that the symptoms persist after cessation of medication, point that way.
You need to get some water and nourishment in him right away,
Probably by IV drip.
I am not a doctor, so please seek competent medical advice, stat!
Aloha and sympathy
Weezard
Maja:
Just my opinion, but it sounds like the oil may be loaded with chlorophyll. Possibly made with a lot of leaf material. That is not good. What makes me say that is you mentioned burping. I have heard similar issues from other patients.
Sounds like low grade oil. That is one big reason why I always recommend making your own oil whether you grow your own or purchase the buds. It is easy to make.
Unfortunately it is difficult to trust others to provide good oil and that makes us good folks look bad. It also makes RSO look bad.
I would also look into the oil, what solvent was used in extraction, was it fully purged?
Iso, and Naphtha will both cause belching, with a distinctive taste and odor.
Acetone as well.
Is there an odor?
The reason I ask, is serial vomiting is very unusual with cannabis and cannabis extracts.
Chlorophyll is minor, and seldom more than nauseating.
But un-purged solvents for a person with compromised hepatic function, can be deadly!
Smell the oil, smell the belch, act accordingly.
Just a wild guess, I am not a physician or a chemist.
Aloha,
Weezard
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Well, it's been two months since I last posted and thought I'd give a minor update. While there is plenty of feedback on how to make RSO in this thread there's not much input from those who are actually taking it. Last night was my final (hopefully) regular dose of RSO, as of now I will just be on maintenance doses. Looking back at it now it's hard to believe I've been doing RSO for almost 8 months straight. What started out as a controllable high 8 months ago has turned into a real chore at the end. I started taking RSO about 9PM when I started, it made for a great night's sleep and I found myself waking 12 hours or so later. As time went on things would slowly change. Falling asleep at 9PM would drag out until midnight or later. Waking up around 6AM became the new norm. My appetite during all this has been spotty, some days I want to pig out, others I don't eat at all. I went from 250# down to 175# after the operation, can't say the RSO ever increased or decreased my appetite. One thing that did change during the RSO use was how I handle food intake. I feel great in the morning and I'm usually hungry when I awake, so I eat. Since the operation removed half my stomach meals are usually smaller and more frequent. About 4 months ago I started getting stomach pains about 4PM every afternoon. These got to be quite intense after awhile and the pain would be unbearable, usually going away after taking a Norco or Vicodin. This was usually shared with extreme bouts of gas. Passing gas would bring some relief but after a couple weeks I found out that if I ate something the pain would go away for a few hours. Sounds easy enough but if you've ever tried to eat when experiencing a stomach ache it's damn near impossible. Doc says I have a mild case of anorexia, hope I lose it as I'd like to put a few pounds on. I'm hoping the pains may have been from the RSO and maybe something to do with chlorophyll or something. Guess I'll find out soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by kwilal
Anxiety attacks and panic attacks became a reality about 2 months ago. Watching TV I'd see something funny and laugh my ass off, 5 minutes later something sad would appear and the tears would flow. These were emotions that would have never surfaced in the past, I'm a biker, not an emotional guy. Now for the worse part of this whole thing, the short term memory loss. I've pretty much turned into a friggin' zombie. The clock on the wall needs a new battery but I found that if I set the hands forward manually it'll start again for a few more days. This has been going on since Halloween. I know it'll only take 10 minutes to open it up and change it but I just can't bring myself around to doing it. Dishes in the sink have been there just as long. 2 minute jobs take an hour. 5 minute jobs take a week. Spend 10 minutes looking for my glasses and I'm wearing them. Geez, I hope it really is short term.
The last thing I'd like to touch on is support. I would not recommend doing RSO without the support of a spouse or family. I'm a semi-private kinda guy and although this may sound selfish I don't know if I'd want to go through all this again by myself. No spouse or girlfriend in my life at this time but family checks on me once a week or so. If I had to do it again I'd definitely want someone to hold my hand through this. Just the comforting factor would be a godsend. Someone to worry about all the little things so you don't have to. The last thing I needed during all this was to be worried about paying bills and disability checks, etc. The insurance company stopped my disability checks in August, and an appeal was finally approved 3 days ago. Almost 5 months without a check, thank God for the folks. Anyway, that's about where we stand at the moment. Would I do it again? Sure, but let's hope I won't have to. I go back for another scan the first week of January, hopefully the good news will continue. I'll post again then. Thanks again for all those here who have helped me get through this. God knows it wasn't easy.
Ken
Mahalo!
I do sympathize and fully agree about the support.
My wife was extremely patient through the zombie part.
Ran out of oil about a month ago and I'm just starting to "surface" now.
Kinda waiting to see if I'll be able to get away with a maintenance dose.
Checking for weight loss, etc.
Actively hunting for a full course of RSO just in case I need to go back on full dosage.
If so, want to have what I'll need for a full course, on-hand.
First 2 times, excrement occurred.
Had to go on half dosage, because of legal and economic restrictions.
Then started back on full dosage and ran out half way.
The trouble with making your own is, apparently zombies are lousy growers. :(
Been testing oil from different sources for effectiveness by applying it to visible growths.
Warts, moles, neuro-endocrine tumors, etc.
I do this because my friend with the glioma multiforma, has recently died
The RSO gave him an an "extra" year and a half of no growth.
We thought we had it knocked.
When my grow crashed, he obtained RSO from another source.
When his symptoms recurred within 2 months, I had him send me a sample.
It had no effect at all on growths that the previous oil that we had made, would remove in a week!
Now, I'm testing, labeling, and storing every scrap that I can beg or borrow until I have ~80g. of known effectiveness
Bottom line is, my PSA is still climbing.
Will have another test when medicare allows.
If, I still have a PSA reading increase, I'll have to conclude that RSO just is not effective in my case.
Not a big deal, really, at the present doubling rate, I have >10 years to look for something that is.
Dang!
Started out here wanting to share ways of coping with the zombie effect.
Post-it notes, alarm timers, hungry dogs, etc.
But, except for the dogs, it all requires an organized partner to set it up.
When my head clears a bit more, I'm thinking that making a checklist now might be a big help to us later.
Attempting that while zombified was, well, humorous.
If you're not the zombie, that is. :)
Many thanks for returning and making my month.
There's no better guide than experience, so perhaps we can work on a checklist together.
See if we can come up with a helpful "package insert".
Wish I'd had something similar going in.
Aloha,
Weezard
Weezard,
My thoughts and prayers are with you as well as others dealing with ca.
PPP~DRagon
Hey Weez, hope it all works out for you. We are certainly being tested. Don't know what I can contribute to your checklist at this time, give me a month or so for me to find what's left of my brain. My "zombie" period peaked about 2 weeks ago when the widow lady next door called me up and asked if I could remove her broken water softener for good. Knowing my limitations during this period wasn't enough to put the job off and I figured it would take a bit of energy but all I had to do was cut two pipes and solder caps on them. This project took 5 hours and numerous trips to the hardware store. Unreal. I don't know what it is but since I've been laid up with cancer I spend the better part of the day sitting around the house, and for some reason everyone seems to think I'm more than available to do favors and projects and God-knows-what for them. I'm sure I've pissed off a few folks and family by telling them no but that's just too bad, I cannot be at your beck & call while I'm dealing with my own life & death situation. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me if I needed something done the last person I'd be hunting down for help would be someone dealing with a serious illness. Just common sense, I guess. Anyway, let's hope we all get better soon.
Ken
I do know what you're on about.
Had a similar plumbing adventure here.
Half hour sweat solder job.
After 2 days, I asked for help.
Then my friends had computer issues and needed a data recovery.
I really wanted to help when asked, but just was not up to the task.
That's what irritated me.
Then I started associating the irritation with the asker.
Good way to lose friends.
Was feeling kinda grumpy until a stumbled across this little pearl;
"Insight:
last night for example i was examining/contemplating/pondering my negative reactions to a lot of the fucktard behavior being exhibited by so many ppl. i realized that the system is so fucked up that a lot of ppl are really, truly suffering from being forced to exist in the present system. i'm very possibly getting pissed off over other's injuries. maybe ppl aren't fucked up. maybe many are being injured by living in the present context and i'm reacting to injuries as if the injuries are the person. "
Guy calls himself Idiit.
Yeah, right!
Tacked this onto the end of a post in a thread called;
"What Diseases/Conditions Has Cannabis Cured Or Helped You With"
The irritation passes as you surface.
Starting to get a clear view of my microcosm.
Started cleaning up the messes I'd made that I wasn't even aware of.
I am truly blessed with patient and understanding friends and family.
Be a while before we can put something coherent together for nascent oilers.
Hell! I just tried to make a simple shopping/chore list.
Been a half hour.
Hadda take a break. :)
Came here to ramble as a form of displacement behavior.
As you can tell, I'm still pretty "scattered" after a full month off of the RSO.
Then again, this full-melt bubble hash probably isn't helping, yah? :D
Meh, I'll make a list tomorrow.
Today, we have hash. :dance:
Aloha,
Weeze the woozy
Okay, so I made the QWISO with the 190 Everclear. For making QWISO I like the grain alcohol better. It is less fumy and more safe in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrowGoddess
For RSO, well, I have been taking the oil for about three years. Now that I enjoy vaporizing it too, (large quantities), I want to make the oil a little safer. It is not that expensive and you don't really lose any oil out of it, just one additional step to take in the process. I can't really afford to do a full extraction with grain alcohol, and am not so sure about those recovery systems. I just fear that they can do the oil more damage than good, not to mention that those recovery systems can be very expensive. So I have a poor man's solution, so to speak.
After making my RSO with 99% isopropyl alcohol, it is completely finished, stored in the syringes. I will just put the oil back into the purge pan and dilute it with 190 proof or stronger grain alcohol and purge the oil again. Of course I will be extra patient and delicate. Certainly do not want to cause damage to the oil. After the purge is finished, I like it to come out thicker and more concentrated without heat. I just put a coffee filter over the purge pan, hold the filter on with a rubber band and put the purge pan in a dry well ventilated area. After a couple of days I will lightly warm the oil so I can suck it back up into syringes for storage. It may take more than a couple days depending upon how dry and ventilated the area is. This is after I purge out the 190 everclear on the coffee cup warmer. So you can get the oil as concentrated as possible. It is also important for caregivers like me so we do not possess more than our limits will allow.
Knowing I am going to be using oil for the rest of my life, it makes me feel a little better knowing it was purged with grain alcohol. This is not a must or anything, just something you may want to consider.
I couldn't afford to do these experiments with RSO because it would require a lot of grain alcohol which is expensive, not to mention when I make RSO I prefer to use at the least 5 ounces of bud. I did notice when I use the grain alcohol for the QWISO that the alcohol evaporated faster than the 5% water. So the oil was kind of dry in the glass baking pan, but there was a lot of white foamy water that still needed to evaporate. So obviously if you use grain alcohol to make RSO you will not need to add water to the rice cooker at the end of the rice cooker purging stage.
In the batch of QWISO I made with the grain alcohol instead of waiting for the water to evaporate, I dilluted it with more Everclear and put it into my RSO final purge pan, applied a little heat and had a fan blowing across it. I do like QWISO or RSO repurged with Everclear. Gives me an extra peace of mind. My purpose for bringing QWISO into this thread was for comparing grain alcohol to 99% isoporpyl alcohol. If I had the resources, I would have used the grain alcohol to make RSO for the experiments/comparisons. The only other reason I decided to make QWISO was to see if the e-cigg vaporizers were capable of decarbing the THC and able to provide a good buzz or offer relief. Also, and overall comparison between RSO and QWISO for the electronic vaporizer. The end result of comparing the two is personal preference. The are each different. It is just a matter of which way you prefer it. For vaporizing, QWISO is convenient because you can make small quantities. The convenience meaning you do not have access to large quantities of buds.
Overall RSO does it all! You can eat it, you can vape it, and you can use is as a topical. RSO is the way to go!
Winterizing, I don't really recommend for treating cancer, but for using the RSO for vaporizing, you may want to winterize your oil. Winterizing is just a matter of making the oil cleaner. 190 proof or higher grain alcohol is what you want to use to winterize RSO as long as it was made from iso or grain alcohol. To winterize say RSO made from isopropyl, just dilute the RSO with 190 or higher proof grain alcohol, put it in a glass jar or something, store it in the freezer for at least three days. Pull the jar out of the freezer, run the solution through a paper coffee filter, then purge that solution. There you have your winterized oil. Just a basic simple way to do it. It is more effective with a more dirty, higher chlorophyll oil. Winterizing very clean high grade oil is really more wasteful than helpful. My only interest in winterizing is for vaporizing purposes, to improve taste and it helps the vaporizer heating coil function properly and last longer.
Here are some pictures of my QWISO run with Everclear. In the picture to the left, you can see the white foam bubbles of the water from the Everclear. If it were 99% iso, you would not get that. Not a real big deal, just takes longer to evaporate.
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Completely organic. Again, I apologize I was not able to do this with RSO. With the vaporizer mix, I added about 50% Propylene Glycol USP to the oil. I tried it out in my favorite vaporizer, innoken SVD, non decarbed oil, and it is awesome. My first time using only one strain too. Blueberry Jam is my "dirtiest" darkest strain. I don't normally use it for making oil, especially when the oil is meant for vaporizing. It came out really clean. I am pretty sure it is because there was no heat like when making RSO.
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This was not easy to get, I had to order it from another state. My state only allows the 151 proof.
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Same RSO batch each winterized. One winterized using isopropyl alcohol. The other with 190 proof Everclear. As you can see, the everclear winterization the oil came out cleaner (bottom syringe). It would be more colorful and transparent if I had a light behind the syringes.
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[quote=Weezard][COLOR=#000080][SIZE=4][FONT=book antiqua]
That's what irritated me.
Then I started associating the irritation with the asker.
Good way to lose friends.
Know the feeling Weez, raised my voice for the first time to my parents a while back, don't even know why, but felt really bad about it and told them what was going on after apologizing to them. They have been nothing but supportive during this ordeal and I do love them so. The post I wrote above took almost 2 hours and I left out probably the most important thing I wanted to cover, the irritation that leads to violence. In the past month I've become so irritated over stupid shit that I end up turning violent. Not against people mind you, just things around the house. Now granted, I'm a biker so I have a natural tendency not to take shit from people but this was starting to scare me. 2 weeks ago I toss a baked potato in the microwave for lunch, punch in 4 minutes and go back to the computer. Thought I heard it ring and figured I'd get it in a minute or so. I must have hit a button accidentally (44 minutes) as the microwave was still cooking as I played online. A few minutes later I'm sitting here and I see smoke coming out of the kitchen. Enter the kitchen and I see what's left of the potato on fire in the microwave. Got really pissed and threw the flaming piece of charcoal out the front door into the snow. Now most folks would have left it at that but for some reason (yeah, I'm pissed!) I go inside the house, come out with a .45 and I'm ready to empty the magazine into what's left of the potato. After a few seconds I'm like WTF am I doing? Hopefully the neighbors didn't see me. A few days later something minor set me off (kitchen chair tipping back because of all the coats and shirts on it) and I started kicking the living shit out of the chair for about 2 minutes. A few days after that I get set off again and start beating the table so hard I thought I broke my wrist. At this time I've got about a week left on the RSO and had been on it for almost 8 months so I figured just get through this last week and it'll all be fine. Panic attacks and anxiety attacks about doubled during this last week and I'd be lying to you if I didn't tell you suicide crossed my mind on more than one occasion. By time I was finally done with the RSO I was drained physically and emotionally. I don't understand how I can do RSO for 7 months with no problems what-so-ever and the last month turns out to be a nightmare. I do understand that I've always made my living using my hands and now that something as easy as tying my shoes can bring about a shitload of irritation, but I don't understand the violence. All I can say is I hope it goes away soon. I find myself staying at home more often as I don't want to interact with the public and take a chance of going off on someone. I know 3 other people with cancer at this time and have had second thoughts about seeing if they wanted to start RSO. Anyway, I've babbled enough here, just wanted folks to know that taking RSO may affect each of us differently and you never know how it's going to affect you until the time comes.
Ken
I am living with my wife in NYC where the idea of Cannabis or RSO is so far in the future that i am scared of what to do for my wife (diagnosed with a stage 4 Lymphoma) and now in bed, in pain, and not wanting to ever go back to of teh top hospitals here in NYC now that she heard of RSO. but where and how to get to Michigan when we cannot afford to leave the city...She needs help fast...some advise pleasse Grow Goddess?
This is an instance to where I wish the Feds would just decriminalize marijuana. The reason why it is illegal, because it works. Not just for medicinal purposes either.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMB IN CHAINS
Michigan is probably not the best place right now due to a recent court of appeals decision which made the concentrates illegal. I have downsized to where I am not able to supply a patient for a cancer treatment. We are waiting for a supreme court decision to overturn that ruling. Politics suck!
The best way to deal with this is make the oil yourself. Like the last video I posted showing my cancer patient. Now why did another organization have to use my cancer patient as their poster boy? Most organizations or groups are not able to supply a patient with quality oil. They work with donations from others, most donations are of low quality, and most are running a scheme. Not all are, but the majority is.
Make the oil yourself, you can do better than a hustler or con artist. All you need is access to good quality buds. If using isopropyl alcohol as the solvent makes you uncomfortable, 190 proof everclear will pretty much solve that problem. The Everclear is not nearly as flammable and the aroma is not nearly as strong and you don't need to be concerned with a perfect purge because grain alcohol is safe to consume. If you cannot find quality marijuana where you are, my best advice is, figure out a way to get to Colorado after January 1, 2014. From what I understand, if you are over 21, you can purchase marijuana there. Pick out indica strains, four of the nicest looking strains and make the oil. I always recommend to mix strains for the best results. They might even have RSO there as well, but I still strongly recommend that you make the oil yourself. Don't trust others, trust yourself.
That is the best advice I can offer.
Good luck and God bless.
I enjoyed reading this thread very informative thank you. Have a few questions. I read this thread once some months back and probably should have read the current thread before undertaking my first oil run because it would have refreshed my memory on how to do it. Someone gave me a bunch of buds that no one wanted because it was like hay but had little crystals on the buds. Perhaps there was also a seeded out female one male plant and all mostly sativa buds or trimmings or whatever. I didn't want it laying around or throw it away and thought to try the RSO. All I could find was 91% ISO at drug store. It was all really dry and froze it with a couple gallons of the 91%ISO and whatever pans that were to mix it in. Followed the procedure with exception of coffee filter but used two splatter guards as a filter. At end of the procedure rice cooker needed to be moved around rotated until noticed it was slightly being burned on bottom of rice cooker. I then threw it into a baby croc pot that slightly simmered out the rest of the tiny bubbles then waited 10 more minutes of swirly motion before syringe.
It still has this hay smell but pulled out about 22 grams of oil and plan to give it away.
I would not want to give this to someone if it is not done right or will get them sick. The oil is black when thick but golden brown when smeared. It does have a hay type smell and could be contaminated with chlorophyll or something due to no coffee filter. There is no alcohol smell.
Is there a way to rewash this oil and filter it? The grain alcohol will work? Is it possible to reuse/recycle the oil stuck to bottom of rice cooker and baby crock pot?
Also Woozy how did it go with Sannies strains.. outdoor in Aloha?
Well, I don't recommend the 91% iso. You can order the 99% iso online. I also only recommend using a metal cup with a coffee cup warmer as it is not as hot as the mini crock pot. Also, next time be more careful not to burn the oil in the rice cooker. It is very easy to damage the product that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by justwonder
Since it was made with iso you can clean it up and make it better. That has a lot to do with polar and non polar solvents. Take your finished product that was made with the iso. Put it into a metal or glass cup. Dilute it with a good amount of 190 proof Everclear grain alcohol or even a higher proof grain alcohol. After it is well diluted, put it into a jar and then into the freezer for at least 72 hours. Then take the mixture and run it through a paper coffee filter (I filtered it into a shot glass then poured it into my purge cup) and get it back into the metal cup or pan for the coffee mug warmer. Purge it to the desired thickness, stirring occasionally. Your oil should be cleaner after that.
Please let us know how it turns out.
Here are some pictures of the process.
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I did a comparison on this winterizing. I just took a quick picture to point out the difference. If I would have had some light behind the syringes it would look prettier and more transparent. The darker oil on the top, I winterized iso oil with iso. The lower syringe I winterized the same iso oil with 190 everclear. The polar non polar thing is very important. As you can see, the winterizing of the iso oil with 190 everclear came out more clear. Iso and grain alcohol go hand in hand when it comes to winterizing. It is rather simple to do too. A good thing about the grain alcohol when purging is that it doesn't stink the house up nor does it seem as dangerous. When you are finished purging the everclear, you can be confident that there is no iso left in it at all.
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I did this experiment with very clean oil. It is wasteful to do this with clean oil. Far more effective with a dirtier higher chlorophyll oil. Excluding winterizing, forget about winterizing for a minute. If you are already making a good clean oil with iso, you may want to dilute it with 190 everclear and purge that. Then you know for sure there is no iso left in it whatsoever and you know it is completely safe in regards to solvents.
Gray Wolf knows more about winterizing than I. There is information posted at SkunkPharms web blog site. I used that to help get me started.
Hi GrowGoddess, hope you had a nice holiday season!
After reading and re-reading this thread, I'm gonna take the jump and make some RSO. Some of it I want to use in my e-cig. But I was wondering about taking a maintenance dose daily ad infinitum.
I had breast cancer 2-1/2 years ago and went through the whole surgery, chemo and radiation thing. Had to do chemo for 1 year and 3 mos. It was hell and I never want to do it again. I'm not sure I have recovered from it yet or ever will. I had stage 3 cancer and it got into my lymph nodes, so there is always the worry it will come back to haunt me in some other organ/system. Do you think a maintenance dose daily would help in preventing this? I know it couldn't hurt, but is a maintenance dose (1 rice grain sized or more at night) enough to make a difference? I am also curious what other help it may provide me with my other medical problems. Just smoking has helped a lot with my back pain, depression, neuralgia, anxiety and IBS. I've been able to stop taking 2 narcotic pain relievers, my sleep aid and my anxiety medication (all of which were making me an addicted zombie) and my head is so much clearer. Just wanted to know a little more about maintenance dosing since I haven't seen it discussed much. Thanks always for your wisdom and help! :)
oops... just another question I forgot to ask. Do you ever use flavor oils (Loran) to flavor your e-juice? I wanted to help disguise the scent in public with a little mint and wondered if it helps and how much to use. Probably no more than a drop or even less....
Kwilal, is it possible your last few batches of RSO was made from sativa, or sativa was in the breeding of the hybrid? (I find sativas make me anxious). Just a thought...... :)
-- Hey Giggletwig! Where the heck you been!? Go to my Camper Closet grow thread. ;)
I think it would be very wise to take maintenance doses. I recommend two doses per day. Anywhere from a rice grain size up to a pea, depending on the potency/quality of the oil. I strongly recommend ingesting the oil for the maintenance dose. You can also vape it in your e-cigg, but don't count that as your maintenance dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by giggletwig
In half of the cases, I have heard the oil has helped with many other issues. I cannot say that it has helped with all. It seems to be more effective with people that are accustomed to the buzz effects of marijuana in general. This is not always the case, but often.
I do not add flavors to my oil, but you can. Yes, it will only require a small amount. Just be sure to thin the oil for the e-cigg with PG USP. PG USP is also known for aiding in blending chemicals together so I would suspect that it may help with blending the flavor or your choice with the oil depending on if the flavor is oil or water soluble. In many cases PG USP with work with both.
I still have no interest in smoking any buds. I swear, I am being honest. You can look at my best bud pictures and all I see is crap or nice buds turned into oil. I only vape and eat the oil. When I vape concentrates, I perfer the PG USP to be added to it vs. vaping the pure concentrate.
So, good luck to you on your vaporizing adventure! :)
God bless
If you are looking for more information, I can probably help you from GrowGoddess Michigan at FB.
Taking a maintenance dose might work; One year of chemo though...must have been an extremely aggressive cancer, Stage 3 or you are somewhat aging? Regardless, with all the poison of chemo etc...I'd lean more toward trying to 're-set' your body to something closer to normal by taking a curative dose to start with~~if you can manage to get enough buds and make that much oil? *edit*; my thinking is chemo isn't a 'sure' cure and hopefully the oil will target the cells that are 'infected' with the 'potential' threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by giggletwig
Certainly a maintenance dose is better than nothing.
Dosing: 1cc = 1gram?? is that the formula everyone is using?
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@kwilal; thank you for the descriptive post of your regime... I'll engage some help with my bills and responsibilities while on the extreme dose. And making the full amount of oil prior to starting its use.
@Weezard: Which size gelatin capsules are those in the post pictures last July?
If you store your rso in syringes and have no "cap" for it, what are you using instead? :rasta:
I easily found a coffee warmer at the local thrift store for $2.00 and see the craft stores have the same thing for candle warmers. Anyone using a candle warmer?:jointsmile: pr
"@Weezard: Which size gelatin capsules are those in the post pictures last July?
If you store your rso in syringes and have no "cap" for it, what are you using instead?"
Those were #2 caps.
I needed a little bigger so am now using #1
Next biggest size is single aught #0.
The bigger ones are a good idea, because you don't have to fill them all the way.
That makes capping much easier and much less messy.
If your oils is made right, the small syringes don't need a cap at room temperature.
I stuff a round toothpick in it though, just in case of plunger pressure and temperature changes.
Aloha,
Weeze
:thumbsup:Thank YOU for sharing so much about this process Weezard and all the others that have contributed! Getting a real PhD on RSO in this thread...well and, patience! Are there any easy threads on how to 'recover' the 190pf juice?Quote:
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I bought the "0" and "3"...that is all they had in Loma Linda (largest health food store and Vegetarian population here). They had the Capsule machine for "0" only...so I have it too! And if that doesn't work, I'll get a bullet case and do it like GrownInGa does. I so appreciate the advice!
Is any particular size of syringe a bit 'easier' to push the plunger in? Sort of worried I may not be able to push oil out, it is thicker than Penicillin and that stuff (the VD bomb) can be a big challenge to push out (with a big needle-though)..with healthy hands.
Trying to think :upsidedowof all the 'variables' so I have the oil and dose's set up for the entire trip! IDK how long it'll take to get that much oil in me and still be able to walk! Certainly going to do it, soon!
Again; :joint1:Thank YOU GrowGoddess, Weezard and all those contributing...each post has extreme value and I've read this thread many times, lately!:4:
Hope everyone is well and having a good start to the New Year! Glad the:wtf: '13' year is over! :rasta: pr
GrowGoddess and Painretreat:
Thanks for the advice! I am surprised that you recommend 2 doses (or 3 doses to start) as maintenance. I thought maint. was one dose? (which I thought would be easy to do at night and help my insomnia)
My chemo ended in Dec. 2011 and I've been clear ever since. It was considered stage 3 since it had gone into the lymph nodes. (Aging? I'm 58... what's that got to do with?) Cancer was triple positive. I opted not to take meds to reduce my female hormones - it just didn't feel right for me having bone troubles, and my gut told me not to. But you know, one still worries. I feel like I've been living waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak. I have a good tolerance and function well high (even hubby can't tell I'm high, just that I'm in a better mood). But how impaired would I be taking a dose during the day? I'm not working, but don't see spending all day stoned...
(Making oil = a good excuse to grow more! I Love to grow!)
Gogglewig - I think you will up your tolerance again- I was very sleepy at first - even on maitenance, but you get used to it fairly quickly
It's quite possible, as the guy I was getting it from grew both indica and sativa. He's on vacation at the moment so I'll have to ask him when he returns. On a happier note, it's been 2 weeks now since I stopped the RSO and any anxiety or panic attacks I was experiencing have pretty much disappeared. No more violent outburst. My head is coming around to what I use to consider normal and everyday seems to get better. I went to Michigan for a New Years Eve party and had the time of my life. This was only the 3rd time in 1 1/2 years that I was pain-free for an entire day, and everyday since then has been pretty good too. I was also experiencing severe gas and kidney pain for the past couple of months and finally figured out I was poisoning myself with too much potassium I was taking in the way of 10 drops of Lugol's Iodine daily. I quit taking that about the same time I quit the RSO and gas & kidney pain has been reduced about 90%. I've got another scan coming up in a week or so and hope the healing trend continues. I'll post results here when I get them but for now I'm just drying out so I can pass a physical/drug test and hope to get back to work before the end of February so I don't lose my job. Maintenance doses will still be taken and from what I've read here it's just one gram a month. If any of that has changed I hope someone will chime in. Thanks again to all here who have helped me make it this far.Quote:
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Ken
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Is any particular size of syringe a bit 'easier' to push the plunger in? Sort of worried I may not be able to push oil out, it is thicker than Penicillin and that stuff (the VD bomb) can be a big challenge to push out (with a big needle-though)..with healthy hands. [/QUOTE]
Painretreat, I found that putting the syringe under hot water in the kitchen sink for a few minutes made the RSO flow like warm butter. After getting the dose I needed I'd retract the plunger a bit and draw some air into the syringe, this kept pressure off the contents and that way the next time it went under the hot water I didn't have to worry about it flowing out of the syringe once it warmed up. Hope it works for you.
Ken
:thumbsup:@Ken: thank you!
:thumbsup:@giggles...do you know if your ca was hormone(estrogen) induced? I presume not or I think they would have 'insisted' you take the 'blocking' drugs??
The length of time you were given chemo is the clue to age and/or aggressiveness of the cancer. You are a bit young to have your dose's spread out over that much time. With age, they will lower each dose and spread the 'total' dose of chemo out over a longer period of time. Or with an aggressive cancer the dose is increased and only so much can be given each time, therefore extending the length of treatment. Assuming U have no other health issues?Quote:
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Definitely, I would want to take the minimal 'curative' dose, if I were you. That will be a personal and financial decision. In as much as, nothing is showing awry (i presume) right now it will be a judgement call. My fear of cancer is greater than my fear of death.
The hormone blocking medications are extremely annoying and many stop them due to the side-effects, anyway (I would refuse them as well). Glad you aren't on any.
Hope to read of your healthy progress for decades to come! :rasta: pr
Estrogen-Induced Cancer
Painretreat - My cancer was triple positive, meaning estrogen was one of the things feeding it. The doctor WAS very insistent that I take the hormone blockers, and I debated and went round and round for a LONG time. But a voice inside me said not to take it, that it would further weaken my already bad spine and leave me sexless for the remainder of my life (and who the hell wants that??). One of the reasons I had chemo so long was to treat for the other positives that fed it. But I'm going for quality of life, not quantity. Who wants to be ill for 20 years at the end of their life if they have a choice? I'm done with doctors dictating to me that I have to take pharmaceuticals. (and I could go off on a rant about my experiences, but I won't) ;)
Anyway... the RSO will surely help abate my fears. I feel I will be doing something positive to help me rather than waiting for that dratted shoe. I'll have to try it out to find the right dosage for me, and if I can grow enough to support the dosage I think I need. Plus having some to vape for those trying times when I'd ordinarily reach for my anxiety meds.
Thanks for everyone's help and caring. Maybe some day I'll be able to move to a legal state and help others like the GrowGoddess does.
Hi Vacko,
My sister is taking high cdb cannabis oil, has stage IV breast cancer. Shes not quite up to a gram a day yet, even though it is low THC, it is really hard on her. It leaves her unable to drive, to really leave the house much, just low low energy. She-s been taking the oil for about 6 weeks more or less. Her latest CA 27 29 tumor marker test came back really elevated, it jumped from the mid 700s to just over 1000 in one month. Her markers had been stable at around 700 for several months, so we are worried. We are wondering, and hoping that the elevated markers are from cancer cell die off, and that it is working.
I was reading your post from 2012 about your wifes markers also going up. I searched further in the forum and didn't find any further updates on her treatment. In the subsequent months did her markers continue to rise, did they begin to go down as she continued with the oil? Im really interested in hearing any further updates, if you dont mind sharing. There is very little out here online that Ive found about stage 4 breast cancer patients taking the oil, what they experience, how their cancer reacts. We are really worried and looking for shared experiences.
thank you
Victoria
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Aloha boogies,
Vacko hasn't signed on since September 2012.
You might try a google search for that user name on other boards.
Or not, just did, came up dry. :(
It might be Croatian, but I found no direct translation to English.
Sorry,
Weeze
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I have mentioned on this thread about vaporizing RSO by converting it to an e-cannabis oil by simply infusing the RSO with PG USP. I have been very focused on that for about 7 months now. Unfortunately when it comes to vaporizing the cleaner the oil, the better. It can be far more expensive, very easy to consume large amounts. It is not like eating the oil. It is more like vaporizing buds but 100 times better. Not necessarily stronger, but better, healthier and in my opinion more tasty as long as the oil is very clean. I finally found the exact vaporizer rig that fully meets my needs. I am fully satisfied. By no means would I suggest for someone to use the vaporizer instead of eating the oil. I do believe it is a more medicinal way to use cannabis vs. smoking. I am not a fan of vaping buds, I don't care for it. All I use now is concentrates.
Anyway, the absolute best vaporizing rig in my opinion is the silver SVD with the new iClear 30b clearomizer attachment. The iClear 30b is bottom fed. As long as you hold the unit sideways and store it sideways, you can tip it up occasionally and all, but keeping it sideways will help prevent leakage to the battery. Now that I have been using mine sideways, I have had zero leakage to the battery. The heating coils are replaceable for around $3 each and they last at least twice as long as the average top fed coils.
Here are a couple of picture of it.
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It is filled with RSO that I extracted with 99% isopropyl. After the oil was done, I diluted it with 190 Everclear, winterized it, then after it was done I infused the oil with PG USP. I tried it out in the iClear 30b and I believe it is the whoop! I truly consider the SVD with an iClear 30b with premium quality oil to be hospital quality. You can purchase all of this with a case for as low as $97. Also, you can use BHO or QWISO, non-decarbed oils work just as well. Kind of like comparing sativa to indica on the effects.
Just thought I'd share.
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