"The older, the violin...the sweeter the music"....:thumbsup:-'Gus McCray (Lonesome Dove)
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"The older, the violin...the sweeter the music"....:thumbsup:-'Gus McCray (Lonesome Dove)
Sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp
lessin' Froggy can no longer "plunk his magic twanger".:D
(From the Froggy the frog and Midnight the cat hosting, "Buster Brown Show".
1950s BnW kinescope.)
Very old Weeze
There's lotsa folksy truisms that use this formula. They seem like ratios, now that I look at 'em:
"Older" is to "violin" as "sweeter" is to "music". Expressed algebraically:
Older . . . . . . Sweeter
_______ = _________
Violin . . . . . . Music
You could even solve for an unknown term, if you know how to divide by violins. :eek:
Sorry. Mrs. Hermie rolled me a fatty. Guess the leds are working okay... :smokin:
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This is indica-ish bagseed from a real non-impressive, if somewhat relaxing and pleasant, bag. It takes forever to mature, even under HPS, which this girl lived under for awhile. (Some heat damage is still evident.) She spent the last month under LEDs only, 'cos I retired that friggin' light-emitting furnace of an HPS. No loss, the leds work better. If I had to try and finish this baby under HPS she'd be crispy before she was ripe.
Wow DreadedHermie,
Your close-ups of the trichomes are so good that you don't need a microscope to see the color change! Very very nice.
Buds' look good too, sometimes a bagseed bean find is a good thing.
Hope it tastes as good as it looks.
Here's a picture of a small (2 popcorn size) bud I knocked off last night while harvesting some plants. Just can't get as close as you with my cheap camera.
Sweet bud, O.M.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
You might be able to use that lens on your "brownie".
('Fore you lot get all scatalogical, Brownie is what we called cheap camera back in the day.)
Heck of a deal, D. H.!
$25 w/shipping?:thumbsup:
Gotta get one of those Eyeclops thingees.
Best my Fuji can do is;
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So, where do we find this inexpensive magic, DH?
Weeze
There's an eBay auction that ends 3 hours from now. It's at $11.99 with free shipping (for a new one).
I got mine through Amazon.com, was $19.95 plus cheap shipping. There's a lot for sale there, also, but at the moment the best deal looks like ~ $28 + shipping.
Shop around, they made a zillion of 'em and after people get bored looking at bugs, hair, and the pores in their own skin they dump 'em, so supply currently exceeds demand. That manufacturer makes an IR night-vision headset, too. Maybe useful for the folks that need to visit their girls "after curfew."
The shots I took are all at 100X. I can't hold steady at the higher magnifications, but 100X does fine, better than my 30X German-made jeweler's loupe. They shoot movies, too, and come with a USB jump drive, FWIW. Super-short depth-of-field, though.
Weezard and oldmac, that is both some frosty stuff! Shots at 100X would be spectacular, I'm sure! :hippy:
Looks like this distributor (manufacturer?) ships individual "samples" for $85 --for a 50W unit, which seems to have identical specs to the 100W except for # of emitters (?)-- Weezard, I wonder if that's the explanation for the low-current-draw unit your friend from the other board acquired.
100W singles for $135.
Lessee here: 301 units @ $75 = 22,575.
Sell 301 units @ $229 (frequent eBay price, let's "forget to mention" that these are the 50W version) = 68,929.
Pretty fair ROI, considering how other investments are doing these days. No wonder there's so many folks hawking these things. :pimp:
From their website:
Product Description
Output Power of lamp: 50 or 100W
Wide beam angle: 120
Rated Voltage range: 100-265V
LED bulb: 80 units 1.33W per unit
Light wavelength Blue: 450nm, red: 650nm (for growing only)
Ratio of Red and Blue light 8: 1 (we also could change the ratio according to your special requirements)
Dim R: 270mm, H: 80mm, Round style
AV. Life: 60000h
MOQ.: 10units
Master carton size 565*470*310=0.09stere
Retail packaging size 555*295*115=0.002stere
Warranty 1 year
N. W G. W 5.0KG/unit 5.5KG/unit
Sample prices of 50w FOB WUHAN: USD85.00
Prices (50-300units) of 50w FOB WUHAN: USD78.00
Prices (301-500units) of 50w FOB WUHAN: USD75.00
Sample prices of 100w FOB WUHAN: USD135.00
Prices (50-300units) of 100w FOB WUHAN: USD118.00
Prices (301-500units) of 100w FOB WUHAN: USD108.00
Nice find DH!
Guess you'd better start da UFO thread ovah here.
You got da real skinny.:thumbsup:
I must add that I'm happier by the day with my knock off.
It's vegging da bejesus out of a WW clone!
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Have to raise it every day.
Better than I expected.
I'd like to get a couple of their eval. units.
Do they want to see a re-sale number or will a nifty letterhead do it?
Greedy Weeze?
Well sure.
But more like freedom loving Weeze in dis case.
Got folks here dogging me to build lights for them.
I want to help 'em out, but it takes choke time to do it right.
Don't have a solid number on how much more "earth time I got so, I'm not keen on selling that much of it.
Creating a light is sheer joy. Making a second or third, from a pattern is just a J. O. B. to me.
A couple decent Evals would solve my present dilemma.
Aloha nui,
Wee Zard
(lookin' for someplace to squander his $250 anti-social in-security "stimulus" joke, um, check.):D
DreadedHermie
This grow is to nail down some of the practical details of the use of the LEDs in growing.
Next one will be more "production" with more plants. I am toying with moving over to hydoponics or aeroponics, but the extra work and temperature requirements may be more than I want to deal with.
Weezard,
What kind of Fuji are you using?
I have a Nikon SLR w/lens that allows 1:1 macro shots, but I don't knowhow tha relates to "Nx" (e.g. 100x) power maginification. I hope to avoid using my microscope because finding a particular spot on a bud/plant is like looking through a straw in a mirror. Very frustrating considering my poor vision.
MP
MP, when I was a lad, my dad often warned me: "Herman, if you don't quit playing with yourself, you'll go blind!"Quote:
Very frustrating considering my poor vision
I always had to answer, "Dad, I'm over HERE!" :D
This eyeclops thing has a video out you can hook to a TV or other monitor. Haven't needed to use it, but you could scan your buds and watch it on the tube in real time (or record it as a movie).
And, like you, I've been pondering some 'ponics of some kind. Weezard's grows have got me interested in this DWC stuff. Looks like the proper combination of efficient growth and forgiving operation. Some form of aero is prolly state-of-the-art, but one little screw-up with timers, clogged nozzles, etc. and you're screwed in a hurry.
We could start a "Calling Weezard fer hep wit Bubba-ponics" thread. My potential problem is ambient temps of 77-78F. lights-off; up to 81-82F. lights-on. Don't know if I'd need a rez chiller for that. Might be a deal breaker for me. Weezard, what say you? Is my closet too warm for DWC?
The auction ended at $30.51 (free shipping). FYI, "what the market will bear." :cool: DH
I know sumpin' 'bout dat.Quote:
Originally Posted by MerryPrankstr
Will reply to DH regarding DWC if ya wanna follow along in da hymnal.:D.
Aloha,
Weezard
Well, mine isn't and it can top 90F. at lunchtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
I'm prolly not da best "go to guy" on dis.
Did I mention that I'm lazy?
I do not change my res. water for months.
I use no -zymes or -zomes or super- -booster, etc.
Just tap water, Gen Hydro nutes and occasional Phosphoric acid for PH adj.
Oh, and most important, I get away with all this by using lots of bubbles.
A decent air pump/airstone and an uninterruptable powersupply keeps everything very happy.
Here's my "learner" setup;
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Ignore the water pump, I no longer use them, or timers.
Too easy for a stoner to screw-up.
Next, I'll get some pics of un-pickled peppers in dirt, coco, and DWC.
Of the 3 it's DWC for me.
Odd and rare that the laziest method gives the best results.
That's what sold me.
(It's not really off topic if ya led wit da 'ponic)
More to follow.
Regards,
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That's not a lizard!...it's a skink...I think?...:rastabanna:
I t'ink da skink ran down da sink. an' lef' da 'zard behine.
Dat be gen-you-ine Hawaiian long tailed 'zard.
The madagascar geckos are crowding them out 'cause sticky toes work betta dan claws.
Gonna miss 'em when dey gone.
Howzit, banana man?
best,
Weeze
:silly: hope this is a good place to post this.
:smokin: want to build my own led set up and run a controlled experiment.
My plan is to use 1 blue, 1 red and 3 deep red 15W and 1 UV, 1 green and 1 amber 5W ledengins (:stoned: can order all that at Mouser) and also 10W far reds, but :S5: can't find a retailer for that anywhere.
:joint1:
Aloha BB.
Get a 60W "party lamp" black light incandescent bulb from da K. or da W.
The UV is very long wave so is not really a "player" it also outputs great gobs of 730 nm.
Mo' betta an' mo' cheepa.
We we're just talkin' 'bout inviting DIY light builder into a going thread to post their builds.:hippy:
Ours are finished and it will take quite a while for results reports.
So we jus' been sittin' here onna stoop, swattin' flies an' swappin lies .
Would love to kibbitz your build.
Have at it. :cool:
E como mai, (welcome)
Wee Zard
That Title got some attention, yah?
As promised, a photo show.;
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Little guy, Fox Farm Ocean Forest.
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Same age and kine grown in Coco
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5 gallon DWC
And Oregano in Coco and FFOF;
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Beats 3000 words or so, yah?
These are the experiments I do to decide what works best for me.
Disclaimer;
I'm not sellin, advocating, or prostheletizing, anything.
(Though I have been known to make suggestions.)
Your milage may, (and probably will), vary.
Why do I say that?
'cause I may just be da luckiest guy I evah met.
Have whatever kine day suits yer fancy,
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You gotta pair o' swimtrunks I can borrow? I feel like gettin' wet! :thumbsup:
Zards no wear swim trunks.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
Tail no fit, brah.:thumbsup:
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In regards to the Fuji, I have a program called Genuine Fractals that does remarkable job of scaling photos, Google it and see what ya think. May allow you to see your trichs without more hardware. I have used it to to reduce pictures mainly, but others I know have used it successfully to enlarge as well. Any good camera with macro capabilities and at least 4MP should do the trick quite nicely. FUJI sensors are great IMHO, btw.
Well, I followed along with the DWC info and it is promising. Gonna keep a record of GR temp this current crop. The UPS makes it more "crash tolerant".
So I guess Ill do a search on bubba ponics and start doing some research.
Thanks for the start in the right direction.
MP
Yup DH,Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
As soon as I have a few extra bucks, I gotta get one of those.
I have one of those $20 microscopes, that does the job when I can focus it and my eyes. This would be soooooo much easier. Nice idea.
Hey Weez,
I loved the pictures of your LED lit plants, very very colorfull!
Check out this pic of small girl under LED/T5 hybred. Hot colors.
LMAO!Quote:
Originally Posted by MerryPrankstr
You'll prolly come up dry searching for bubba-ponics.
I made it up as a division of Carmine Cervical Industries .
Which is a wholly owned spinoff of the Hawaiian Inebriatti.
For real info on coco growing look up Puffzter.
Coco is kinda like semi-solid hydro.
Same nutes, same PH but it helps dirt guys make the jump.
Once you jump, though it's hard to go back.:thumbsup:
Have some fun,
Weeze
O. M.,
That's one sweet "red-headed stepchile".:greenthumb:
She got a family tree, or is she a mutt, like me.
Tee hee,
Wee
Mahalo:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
I am afraid though that won't work in my scrog setup. Here you can see what I will use for one test.
(don't visit that site; the prices are outrageous)
You understand what I try to achieve and I really need the far reds for this set up.
Go for it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubbleblower
Thing is. far red should be added just before, and for a short while after, lights out.
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish I guess.
So, What's your plan?
Aloha,
Weezard
What I want to accomplish is to grow weed inside that has the same quality as outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
For that, I believe, I need the perfect spectrum (see image).
The phycoerythrin is what makes the nice cristals and serves as a light harvesting antenna.
Different energy results in different chemistry. I have no idea, but that must be right.
Many experiments have shown the so called Emerson effect adds about 25% to your harvest. To create that I want to leave the far reds on for 2 extra hours. If I can't find them I'll use a 70W HPS instead that will be switched on for 4 hours a day.
Of course I am not gonna give up so soon and I'll keep looking for far reds for at least 2 more weeks.
Where's Rhizome when ya need him?
Quote:
For that, I believe, I need the perfect spectrum (see image).
If you like that spectral distribution just get yourself an HPS and be done with it. :thumbsup:
The phycoerythrin is what makes the nice cristals and serves as a light harvesting antenna.
Phycoerythrin is implicated in the light absorption of red algae, which is really hard to keep lit. :stoned: If you've got relevant data about phycoerythrin's role in trichome production, help a brother out and cite a reference. But don't ad lib, please. :cool:
Different energy results in different chemistry. I have no idea, but that must be right.
Well, that statement clears everything up. :D:
Many experiments have shown the so called Emerson effect adds about 25% to your harvest. To create that I want to leave the far reds on for 2 extra hours.
The Emerson Effect was described over 50 years ago. It describes how multiple wavelengths applied concurrently have a combined effect greater than the effect of the sum of the individual component wavelengths. The phenomenon I believe you're referring to is currently being called "martian nights," (red, get it?) and is being investigated by some knowledgeable folks on this board. Search that term and you may find what you're looking for. :hippy:
I found all the leds I need to build a 300 watt lamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
Now I have to try to be patient :jointsmile::stoned::pimp::rastasmoke::smokin: and wait for that research that was supposed to be finished by now.
Aloha BB,
300 Watts!
We would love to see the plan.
We're here to learn as well.
Everything we can.
How's the weather
in the
Nether-
lands.:D
:stoned:
Weezard
I'd be interested too.
I'm also leaning to the "more full spectrum" side of LEDs and 300w is where I'd begin to consider a home brew lamp.
Hey, should we start a new thread?
MP
lol, didn't i say something about starting a new thread?
-shake
Shake,
You sure did!
They say short term memory is the first to go.
MP
right! lol. you guys have tons of knowledge and it would be awesome to put it all in one place. i would love to build an LED array.
-shake
Shake, if you've got a soldering gun (or pencil) and think you could handle replacing a pickup in my granddaughter's "Hello Kitty" Stratocaster, we can show ya how to build a light. It's that easy. That's the purpose of this thread! :rastasmoke:
i do have a soldering iron! and i'm pretty sure i could fix it!
i know that's the purpose of this thread, but a thread is not always the best place to have said information. or at least the information should be contained in one post within a thread!
-shake
Hello Headshake,
I agree it would be nice to have dedicated threads to certian projects and/or ideas. You should hear me cursing up a storm when I'm trying to wade thru like 70 pages of posts on the original Physicsnole thread, looking for something I'm sure I read there. Geeez what a waste of time.
BTW, I posted a couple of more pics of the hybred LED/T5, and included at least one of the ballast itself.(in an album on the other site) Tommrow, right before the lights go out I'm going to remove it so I can respace 2 of the floros better. I'll take some more pics then of just the T5 frame.
Been followin' the pics. Tell me, does it make any sense to overdrive regular T8 shoplights?
And Shake, the biggest problem with doing a straight-through tutorial on led light construction is you have to mount and measure your light sources (IMO) in order to decide the best way to power them.
So a tutorial, for a well designed light would go something like, "If your emitters match within .1Vf, do this....if they're not well matched, here are your options....." :wtf:
The whole thing becomes hypothetical and convoluted and (to me) kinda complicated. It's just way easier to mount 'em up and see whatcha got, then pick / design your drivers. :thumbsup:
And, I tried writing some tutorial-type stuff and it was a total buzz-kill. :rastasmoke:
Hermie
i got ya hermie! i can understand that. and i defintely don't want anyone to kill their buzz! i'm reading up more and more on it. i'll get around to actually buying some stuff and putting a small one together. got to get an HPS before i build a big one!
i've just go so many damn projects going on. and not enough funds to go around. i'm slowly knocking them out one by one though.
oldmac, thanks. visual aids always get the juices going.
off to read up more on LEDs.
-shake