New and Improved: Featuring Sour Northern Lights x Nevilles Haze

Pic1: Shot of middle/lower canopy of 3 plants side by side.

Pic2: Shot of plants in the grow hut. The light is about 5 ft up now and the grow hut is 7ft tall. Good news is I think the plants are done stretching.

Pic3: Doing my period soil runoff ph check like a good boy. My nutrient solution was at 5.6ph and my runoff was at about 5.6ph. So I am within a good range for my plants.


I estimate these plants have another 5 weeks to go.. 6 weeks tops. They're really starting to pick up speed now on the budding.

Excellent. :greenthumb: They look terrific Dai. That IS starting to appear orgy-ish with all those plants in there growing so nicely. :eek:

You ever realize there's a problem in your grow and you try to convince yourself it's no big deal, but really deep down in your heart you know you should correct it even though you're 5-6 weeks out from harvest... only to have 2 friends reaffirm that you should transplant.

UGH!!!! Yeah that happened to me today. My plants were obviously rootbound although I'm convinced they probably could've made it till harvest I decided to err on the side of caution. 2 friends also said I should probably transplant even though I didn't see any symptoms of lockout.. only rootbound symptoms.

I have to say I realize why I chose to always go up 2 gallons at a time instead of 1. I transplanted from a 2 gallon pot into a 3 gallon pot and there was barely any room to properly fill the soil in around the plant.

In either case I've transplanted 6 out of 7 plants and will probably transplant the last pot tomorrow. That plant is in a 1 gallon pot and I will transplant into a 2 gallon pot.

So now I'm stuck with 2/3rds of a bag of canna coco I probably won't use again and some 3 gallon pots; although I'm sure I'll use this stuff up eventually.

Either way the plants are looking great and the budding is starting to pick up.. trichs are also starting to form. I suspect in another week the trichs will really be looking nice and frosty.. currently they look more like a light sprinkling. I am hoping for these buds to look like they were doused in sugar... yum yum in my tum.

well.. i took 12 cuttings today, dipped them in "dip and grow" and put them into rapid rooters.

I am hoping for a high success rate. This is my first time taking cuttings but I believe i did everything right. I'll post some pictures tomorrow.

Sup D, Howz'a bout some pix of dem' clones bro...I'm curious to see how fast they root...As I've got some SNLxNH beans in Oasis cubes right now...the most vigorous plant of those will become a mommy along with a MK I'm waiting on to sprout...keep up the good work...

D:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by d4twamp

Sup D, Howz'a bout some pix of dem' clones bro...I'm curious to see how fast they root...As I've got some SNLxNH beans in Oasis cubes right now...the most vigorous plant of those will become a mommy along with a MK I'm waiting on to sprout...keep up the good work...

D:thumbsup:

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You know the reason I haven't taken pics of the longs is because I'm kind of confused.

My clones aren't dying.. They are actually still perky as if they were still on the plant. But the problem I am having is that they aren't showing a single root either!

So my plants are neither dying nor are they rooting. I don't know wtf to think. I figured after 7 days I would see at least 1 little root.

lol dai...i'm no expert on cloning but maybe it has to do with your rooting compound. because if they're still living then they must be taking up h2o straight through the stem and not forming roots since they're doing well without them. Maybe dab them with some dipngrow, if you haven't already.

about your transplanting issue, if you're using 1gal pots and now 2gals...i'd prob trans again into 3-5gal if you have the space or time. IMO bigger is better...but the plants need a gradual increase throughout. i'm sure they'll be fine though. im in 5gal buckets of coco myself and the girls are loving it. If i could have gotten them in bigger containers i think they'd appreciate it. well i hope i helped in some way. good luck buddy.

mgm

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Originally Posted by Mr.GoodMorning02

lol dai...i'm no expert on cloning but maybe it has to do with your rooting compound. because if they're still living then they must be taking up h2o straight through the stem and not forming roots since they're doing well without them. Maybe dab them with some dipngrow, if you haven't already.

about your transplanting issue, if you're using 1gal pots and now 2gals...i'd prob trans again into 3-5gal if you have the space or time. IMO bigger is better...but the plants need a gradual increase throughout. i'm sure they'll be fine though. im in 5gal buckets of coco myself and the girls are loving it. If i could have gotten them in bigger containers i think they'd appreciate it. well i hope i helped in some way. good luck buddy.

mgm

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I cloned them with dip and grow. I may just be jumping the gun here though after talking with some other people. I'm going to give it a total of 3 weeks before I start freaking out.

My transplanting issue is fine. I'm very familiar with transplanting the problem was that I was trying to avoid it because:

1: I did not have any more coco medium and had to go buy some (crap is expensive). 28 bucks

2. I did not have any round 3 gallon pots and they were kind of pricey (think I spent like 15 bucks total for 10 buckets).

3. Plants in coco are not like plants in soil. When a plant in coco get's rootbound it's not the end of the world. As long as you stay on top of watering them before they dry out then they'll be fine. Problem is you'll still see clawed leaves/ downcurled canoed leaves.

I didn't particularly like seeing that and decided, after other people affirmed what I already knew what I should be doing, to transplant into just a SLIGHTLY larger pot.

My roots and plants are done stretching upward and the 1 gallon increase will be just enough to keep the plants comfortable.

I typically trans plant from 1gal, 3 gal, 5 gal. However this time I was trying to make due with just 2 gallon pots. I was trying to fit within a certain space limitation and I didn't have enough coco medium for 3 gallon pots.

Anyway; thanks for the input. :hippy:

hope that your clones fire off lots of roots. I've been watching my clones slowly develope into little plants, I hope they will burst forth with heavy growth when I get them under 400 watts MH

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Originally Posted by Shovelhandle

hope that your clones fire off lots of roots. I've been watching my clones slowly develope into little plants, I hope they will burst forth with heavy growth when I get them under 400 watts MH

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Thanks.. I do too. This whole cloning thing is new to me and a complete mystery. I'm hoping that they start having little shoots come off soon.

Hopefully in another week or 2 I'll have a full set of roots ready to be setup into hydro under a 400 watt MH for a week or 2 and then start them flowering after that.

Hey D I'll be routing for your rooting as well bruddah...

D:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by daihashi

well.. i took 12 cuttings today, dipped them in "dip and grow" and put them into rapid rooters.

I am hoping for a high success rate. This is my first time taking cuttings but I believe i did everything right. I'll post some pictures tomorrow.

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Ok... we're down to 11.

1 clone died today. It appears the stem rotted away inside the rapid rooter. Which is odd because all the other plants have firm stems.

I'm also still bothered that I don't have a single root yet, but my clones aren't dying/wilting away either. I am so confused about this cloning thing.

Ive had clones take 7-10 days to root all the time, your only at day 6 man, lol...Sit it out homie, your fine:greenthumb:

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTango

Ive had clones take 7-10 days to root all the time, your only at day 6 man, lol...Sit it out homie, your fine:greenthumb:

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Actually technically I'm at day 8 or 9. I actually took my cuttings on Nov. 4th but didn't post about it until Nov 5th.

Bleh... root bastards root! lol :hippy:

Hey D any pix of your cuts bro...

Oh god....the cloning thing. I HATE this part. Dai I had the exact same issue as you......nothing nothing nothing and I was jumping through hoops right and left. Make sure your dip and grow is good.....Stinky suggested that brand over others and it works well for me.

Are they changing color...as in getting lighter or yellowing? If so you could foliar feed them lightly.....I swear I've stared at clones FOREVER and nothing but once you see the plant starting to pull nutes from the leaves you can foliar feed a grow nute (I ph to 6.5) at 1/4 strength. It really seems to help the plant and I'll usually get roots within a few days of the foliar feeding.

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Oh god....the cloning thing. I HATE this part. Dai I had the exact same issue as you......nothing nothing nothing and I was jumping through hoops right and left. Make sure your dip and grow is good.....Stinky suggested that brand over others and it works well for me.

Are they changing color...as in getting lighter or yellowing? If so you could foliar feed them lightly.....I swear I've stared at clones FOREVER and nothing but once you see the plant starting to pull nutes from the leaves you can foliar feed a grow nute (I ph to 6.5) at 1/4 strength. It really seems to help the plant and I'll usually get roots within a few days of the foliar feeding.

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That is the strange part. They really are just not dying. They are not yellowing, they aren't getting limp. Nothing seems wrong with them aside from the fact that I have no roots.

I'm glad WT had pointed out that it's only been 6 days (really it's been 8) because it made me realize it hasn't been that long. If I go 3 weeks and still no roots then I think I am doing something seriously wrong.

My dip and grow is fresh. I also got it on recommendation after reading a few of threads Stinky suggested it. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by d4twamp

Hey D any pix of your cuts bro...

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I'll take some pics tonight. I keep putting it off because there are no roots but I guess I can go ahead and snap some pics.

Stay tuned later this evening.

I'm also new to cloning but have had some sucess. I made a bubble cloner like the one made in the sticky and bam! I have roots! lol. However, they almost died, they did wilt, and the stems did turn purple. Do you score/peel a part of the stem back after cutting? I didn't see roots until 3 days after i re-cut the stems and quit peeling back a sliver of the stem, I also placed the stems 1/4in in the water instead of 1/4in above. I think the big determining factor was the switch in air pumps, crappy walmart pump for an industrial sized pump pushing 70l/min

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That is the strange part. They really are just not dying. They are not yellowing, they aren't getting limp. Nothing seems wrong with them aside from the fact that I have no roots.

I'm glad WT had pointed out that it's only been 6 days (really it's been 8) because it made me realize it hasn't been that long. If I go 3 weeks and still no roots then I think I am doing something seriously wrong.

My dip and grow is fresh. I also got it on recommendation after reading a few of threads Stinky suggested it. :thumbsup:

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The last clones I did were doing the same thing, even growing with no roots. I was using a bubble cloner. I don't know if this is what helped, but I laid a piece of carpet on top of the dome to reduce the amount of light they got and they started rooting in a day or two. This was after no roots for 2 weeks. I was foliar feeding.

Well I pulled all my clones out of the rapid rooters.. only 3-4 out of 12 are showing root formation. I'm wondering if I didn't scarify the clones deep enough or something.

I've heard of people splitting the stem up the middle a little bit to help promote rooting. Would anyone recommend this when I try to take my next batch of clones in a few weeks?

I think you're just jumping the gun and expecting too much too soon.

I don't have experience with the dip & gro I clone w/ clonex gel...I had a problem w/ roots coming out of the top and everywhere else... are they under a dome? what kinda light are they under? Are the RR dry, too wet? sorry 4 all the ?'s just tryin to help ya figure this out bro... I'll look out for those pix...

D

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I don't have experience with the dip & gro I clone w/ clonex gel...I had a problem w/ roots coming out of the top and everywhere else... are they under a dome? what kinda light are they under? Are the RR dry, too wet? sorry 4 all the ?'s just tryin to help ya figure this out bro... I'll look out for those pix...

D

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I think it was just the way I took cuttings. I think I scarified some of them better than others. 25% isn't too bad for my first attempt at cuttings. In a few weeks I'll have enough clones for 24 cuttings.

Anyway here are some quick shots. Buds aren't really fattening up yet but the plants look healthy and great. I've seen Weedhound flower this strain in about 65-70 days.

I'm currently at day 37 (week 5). I am hoping to see the buds start to fatten up soon. Hopefully over the next 2-3 weeks. At that point I will stop feeding nutes all together and just feed straight water to ensure the plants are nice and flushed at time of harvest.

I estimate about 5 weeks left.

Pic 1: Shot of Clones
Pic 2: Shot of one of the cola tops
Pic 3: Overall Shot of plants in tent.

Here are some bonus shots of a slug that apparently snuck into my house some how. He was surprisingly fast for a slug. Made it hard to snap any good pics on him. Agile little guy.

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Originally Posted by d4twamp

I don't have experience with the dip & gro I clone w/ clonex gel...I had a problem w/ roots coming out of the top and everywhere else... are they under a dome? what kinda light are they under? Are the RR dry, too wet? sorry 4 all the ?'s just tryin to help ya figure this out bro... I'll look out for those pix...

D

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They're in the same room that the mothering plants spend 12 hours of their day. The room has 3 23watt CFL's about 2.5 - 3 ft above the dome that the clones are sitting in.

I try to keep the RR's just damp.

I think WH is right and I'm just being impatient. I'm just so hands on and analytical to the point where it's a hinderance. bleh...

Either way I know I'll get at least 3 clones out of this. I'll be trying for 24 clones at 100% success rate next time.

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I'd try dropping one of them cfl's a lil closer over the top of them clones, but that's just me...I hope your clones grow some feet soon bro...are you keeping the clones under a dome, for higher humidity...

PICTURES OF A SLUG? :eek: Look at the name of it even....."slug". Doesn't that pretty much say it all right there????

Perhaps wet your rooters a bit more than damp. I like them wet enough when cloning that they are more than damp, less than soaking wet. If you squeezed one you would get some water out without too much trouble. About how wet you'd like a sponge to be if you were going to clean with it......more than damp; less than soaked or drippy.

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I'd try dropping one of them cfl's a lil closer over the top of them clones, but that's just me...I hope your clones grow some feet soon bro...are you keeping the clones under a dome, for higher humidity...

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yeah, The dome stays on the clones all the time. I even have a little heating pad from hydrofarm I use but I question whether I need it or not. Honestly since I started using the mat I've only had problems with leaves and mold and cutting off leaves that get infected. I've since moved all the clones a long the middle rows of the tray to avoid touching the dome (to avoid mold).

I think I will do a better job next time. Probably in about 2 weeks I will try to take 20 + cuttings. I am going to use the cuttings that survive as a model for my future clones.

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I took 20 cuttings today. It's pretty amazing at how quickly my mother produced viable cuttings.

I've included a picture of the clones and the mother. For some reason the pictures make the plants look yellow but I assure you they're not. The plants are actually a perfect green color. They are the epitome of what a healthy plant should look like.

Also in the picture of the new cuttings are the 3 cuttings from 2 weeks ago that have some roots. They will probably be going into their new hydro home this weekend (which I still have to build out but I have all the materials to do so.)

This time I'm going to use the set and forget method. I made my cuttings.. I put them in dip and grow and now I'm going to set them aside for 2 weeks and forget about them (except to mist/keep the rapid rooters damp) until the it's time to put them in their permanent homes.

Mental note for myself. Do not expect any roots until December 5th at the earliest.



edit: I haven't given my plants their hair cuts yet (cut their leaves in half)... I almost don't want to.. they look so pretty :hippy:

Good luck with the clones.
I re-read Stinky's cloning guide, she mentioned flipping the RR upside down, and taking a razor and slicing a vertical cut in them, then sticking the clones in them, I guess it keeps the RR more tightly against the whole stem. I am going to try that next go around, good luck with yours.
I think one problem I had as well, I kept the RR too moist, I messed with them too much, I loved them all to death. I think you got a good idea, set them and forget them. Less is more.:jointsmile:

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Good luck with the clones.
I re-read Stinky's cloning guide, she mentioned flipping the RR upside down, and taking a razor and slicing a vertical cut in them, then sticking the clones in them, I guess it keeps the RR more tightly against the whole stem. I am going to try that next go around, good luck with yours.

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I did that last time and they weren't as snug as I would've liked.

Instead I just used the hole this time. They were a little bit so I pushed a little harder. If you push a little harder (when you reach resistance after inserting into the rapid rooter) you will actually start to drill the stem in between the fibers of the rapid rooter itself and it is VERY snug. I pulled out a clone I did this too and the stem was not damaged and the end of the cutting was still a sharp 45 degree cut like I had made it.

For the stems that weren't quite thick enough to do that with.. I went ahead and flipped it upside down.. got a tooth pick and predrilled a hole. Then I forced the plants through that.

That seemed to work really well also.

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I think one problem I had as well, I kept the RR too moist, I messed with them too much, I loved them all to death. I think you got a good idea, set them and forget them. Less is more.:jointsmile:

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definitely.

I don't think I kept the RR's that moist (felt like a wrung out sponge most of the time). I think did mess with them too much. I would pick them up and look at them for signs of roots which probably disturbed the plants and made it harder for them to root.

We have a cold front that came in last night so I have them on a seedling heating pat right now (made by hydrofarm) but beyond that I am not going to touch them until december 5th; beyond misting them that is.

Day 47 (Week 6.5 or so)

Watered all the plants today except 2 of the smaller ones. Decided to take some pics of all the plants by themselves.. aka some bud porn.

They aren't that fat yet but they'll be getting there soon hopefully.

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant 1
Pic 2: Cola Shot of Plant 1
Pic 3: close up of cola top
Pic 4: Close up shot of random buds lower on the plant.

Plant #2

Pic 1: Overall shot of plant
Pic 2: Shot of Main Cola on plant
Pic 3: Shot of cola close up
Pic 4: Shot of random bud sites lower on the plant.

Plant #3

Pic 1: Overall Shot of the Plant.
Pic 2: Shot of Main Cola on plant
Pic 3: Shot of cola close up
Pic 4: Shot of random bud sites lower on the plant.

Plant #4

Pic 1: Overall Shot of the Plant.
Pic 2: Shot of Main Cola on plant
Pic 3: Shot of cola close up
Pic 4: Shot of random bud sites lower on the plant.

Plant #5

Pic 1: Overall Shot of the Plant.
Pic 2: Shot of Main Cola on plant
Pic 3: Shot of cola close up
Pic 4: Shot of random bud sites lower on the plant.

I estimate there to be about 4 weeks left or so. I will be picking up a jewlers loupe next week. Hopefully they start fattening up in the next few weeks. I will probably look to stop feeding nutes during the last 10 days of the grow and will begin a thorough flushing.

Hey wow those look grrreat!:thumbsup:

Damn D!!! Lookin sexy yo...lol