LED growing- An instructional grow log

Hey Stealth ,
What day did these plants actually break soil ? Jan 21st. when the thread was started ? They look sweet so far .

Weedhound said you had asked about the use of Sucanat somewhere , I couldn't find it ? :stoned::stoned: I almost used molases once , Weedhound did 1 day before me and made GOOP SOUP in her res. , kept me from doing it too . We been budz since . And I started looking for a substitute for molases that would better stay suspended in a hydro system . I've used it in dirt plants too.

I have used all natural organic ground cane sugar a.k.a Sucanat on 2 grows now and liked it . The 1st grow Koolbloom was used also , 2nd grow it wasn't and buds were just as sticky -n- dense . Seemd to do the same thing as Botanicares Sweet that I've used in the past too . Gen. Hydro just came out w/ some = too GENERAL HYDROPONICS
Like 40% of it's candy lol. 21% cane sugar , 17% molases . Almost nothing else = Bullshit w/ a huge price tag . You have to dig deep because these sneaky bastards don't always put ingredients on the containers . You can Google M.S.D.S / Material Saftey Data Sheets on any of these and other Big Name products and find out exactly whats in this stuff , and in what amounts and save $$$ and get = results thanks to O.S.H.A :D .

Here's 2 links to articles on Sucanat / Cane use .

Last post in this thread ->
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...es-help-2.html

And -> Maximum Yield - Why Use Sugary Supplements?

$3.00 for a 2lb. bag thats lasted 2 grows now , or up to $60.00 a gallon w/ some xtra trace amounts of ingredients w/ big names ??

Hope you grow some big fat buds w/ the L.E.D.s and break new ground man .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Jerry Garcia 2007

Your plants look very healthy at this point no different than if under a 600 watt MH IMO.

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Yeah I agree. The veg stage is the easy part. You can pretty much use any kind of light. I've been thinking about replacing my MH in the veg section with some fluoros. Just when I got the venting all worked out.

Maybe even some LEDs.

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Originally Posted by xcrispi

40% of it's candy lol. 21% cane sugar , 17% molases . Almost nothing else = Bullshit w/ a huge price tag .

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No kidding. We need good, tested recipes for all kinds of stuff. Flushing agents, PH adjusters, I spend way too much on water.

they poked their heads up on the 28th of jan...xcrispi, i got a buddy down here (dirty crew!) who used succanant and swears by it...used all the same fox farm soil and organic nutes i did... he added it to all but saved 4 girls to be the control...avg'ed about 20% more with the succanant, and said his resin output was immensely improved,and its organic, so im gonna go for it.
one of the few problems ive read about the LEDs is they stretched. i deffinitely dont have that problem, if flowering gives me an avg yield, we'll call this a success.
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whiskeytango

So....those plants are 10 days old???:wtf: I am starting to become a believer...

Well done guys, I think this is proof enough that LED has a life ahead of it once the technology becomes a little cheaper, mode widely available and better researched, although from the looks of it, SnS is there already!

Respect,

Peace,
Denial

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Originally Posted by denial102

Well done guys, I think this is proof enough that LED has a life ahead of it

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I have no doubt that LED has a life ahead of it, but I wouldn't exactly call this proof of that. The plants look very nice n healthy, but we haven't even seen them bud yet. I can do the same with incandescents and at a much lower price tag. How can it be proof just a few days into the grow? Once they are harvested, and they come somewhere close to the results of HID, then we will have seen some proof.

This is extremely typical of what I have seen the past few years of LED grow light exploration. On other forums as well (gasp) people see that the plants do fine during veg. The lights on the switchboard light up frantically through vegging, then a few weeks into budding, the posting slows down, and people kinda move on to other stuff. I am in no way saying that I expect that to happen here. I hope for the best, by all means. I want to see some big-ass, honey-drippn ears of corn hanging up to dry. Actually if I just see some regular old buds hanging up to dry, I'll be tempted to switch to all LED.

Summary: A couple weeks into a grow offered as proof? Not even. Close to normal size, normal resin buds as proof? Absolutely. The proof is in the pudding, but it hasn't even been put in the oven yet.

Nope really not proof of anything. we're drooling to get to flower so we can all find out. they'll be what they'll be. after this first grow we should be able to do more experimentation ie. dividers w/ different lights added to see the reactions :thumbsup:

thanks for keeping us grounded Opie:rolleyes: :D

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If you get a yeild like you would under HID lighting the company that makes these lights is going to get swamped with orders at the end of this grow!!!

They sell stock? Ha Ha

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Yeah if this works out I'm sure HGL will be busy as hell. Theyve sold about 20 already so I hope there are others. cant think they would be further along as we started the seeds while they were still en-route...lol (thank you fedex tracking)

Doughboy:S5:

WOW check out this site Plant Physiology Online
25 chapters with subcategories. lots of highly tech. info.

Warning: Weedhound, dont look at the link;)lol

Doughboy:S5:

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

I have no doubt that LED has a life ahead of it, but I wouldn't exactly call this proof of that. The plants look very nice n healthy, but we haven't even seen them bud yet. I can do the same with incandescents and at a much lower price tag. How can it be proof just a few days into the grow? Once they are harvested, and they come somewhere close to the results of HID, then we will have seen some proof.

This is extremely typical of what I have seen the past few years of LED grow light exploration. On other forums as well (gasp) people see that the plants do fine during veg. The lights on the switchboard light up frantically through vegging, then a few weeks into budding, the posting slows down, and people kinda move on to other stuff. I am in no way saying that I expect that to happen here. I hope for the best, by all means. I want to see some big-ass, honey-drippn ears of corn hanging up to dry. Actually if I just see some regular old buds hanging up to dry, I'll be tempted to switch to all LED.

Summary: A couple weeks into a grow offered as proof? Not even. Close to normal size, normal resin buds as proof? Absolutely. The proof is in the pudding, but it hasn't even been put in the oven yet.

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Hey opie, your points are very clear, I was actually basing it on other evidence around the net (aswell) and on this board I've seen. People are getting harvests, just - even from seedling the ones I've seen always seemed to stretch and yield a lot less. So far we can see it is doing a so far so good job in veg.. hopefully we will get the smoking gun with the help of those generous enough to share their experiences.

Remember opie, there are a few naysayers on here who are saying "never will work, if it did the industry would be using it" etc; I think we can say without a doubt it does work, without a doubt, it is just || how well || :-)

My 2 cents, and yeah I did expect someone to pull me up on that,

Peace,
Denial

Wow SnS, Nice link. That's one for my favorites for sure. I think I'm going to learn all that stuff tonight. Shouldn't take to long, 5 minutes or so.

denial, true, true. I hear ya.

Well I say just wait and see and it should answer all questions.

time shall tell..........

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

WOW check out this site Plant Physiology Online
25 chapters with subcategories. lots of highly tech. info.

Warning: Weedhound, dont look at the link;)lol

Doughboy:S5:

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Great find I'll be reading and studing every word on this site for day's. Later

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

Kinda, they are from bin containers and from the research ive seen others do, they could vary 20nm(or more) either way. not exactly what I think you're looking for.

Please visit GREENPINELANE.COM (DONT MENTION MJ) to see some experiments done there. they haven't used those exact panels but 5mm and has stepped up to the class 2s. seems to be doing better with them:D

not to mention that the one i got had broken wiring in the back. 1/3 panel didnt work till i took it apart and fixed it. now thats quality:thumbsup:

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when you opened them what were those pieces clunking around in there. and more importantly, did you see any opportunities to install
an led driver??? because if you think there's enough room back there im gonna
order some and put them in, that way i can maximize brightness.

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Originally Posted by maspino1

when you opened them what were those pieces clunking around in there. and more importantly, did you see any opportunities to install
an led driver??? because if you think there's enough room back there im gonna
order some and put them in, that way i can maximize brightness.

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lol... Its a 2"x4" board w/3 sets of drivers(?) each one wired to 1/3 of the panel. and yeah just hanging by the wires in there. im sure thats why mine is broke(havent soldered it but hilding the wire in place it works, again not using it).

if the driver is about a half inch slim you have half the panel space plus some on other side. opens easily no real issues there check it out

my hopes and dreams have been dashed. k, well, what other places
would you recommend me trying out their led panels because the procyon-100
is just too expensive
well, hgl has driver driven currents on their 14w, would you recommend
them?

[quote=maspino1]the procyon-100
is just too expensive
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Normally you get what you pay for.

couldnt have said it better opie..you get what you pay for man. the procyons have a warranty....ever buy a grow light with a warranty?...lol
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whiskeytango

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Originally Posted by maspino1

my hopes and dreams have been dashed. k, well, what other places
would you recommend me trying out their led panels because the procyon-100
is just too expensive
well, hgl has driver driven currents on their 14w, would you recommend
them?

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while I wont tell anyone what to buy I believe the Procyons to be your best choice. This site has lots of testing including the 14 watt kit your looking at . seems to do well but he stops early due to the small coverage area.

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June 26th - Conclusion of Tiny Tim grow test.

The Tiny Tim has grown well. Over a foot tall and almost 16 inches diameter. The blossoms and roots are in great shape. I decided to end the grow test here on the Tiny Tim as the point of the test was to see if the 14 Watt light kit lived up to the claims. In my opinion, it did excellent. Supporting one square foot of growth seemed no problem. In 29 days, the 1 1/2 inch seedling grew to adult size claimed for a Tiny Tim. At this time, I felt the plant had achieved the size that one of these kits would support, which is the claim of Homegrownlights.com. Summary - Great light, no problems, easy to mount, no special power requirements. It runs cool and no problem with the leaves being in direct contact with the light. It would be a great light for growing multiple seedlings for later transplanting or adding more kits to support larger grow areas would be easy to do. The kit does require soldering of the LEDs which is easy if you have soldering experience. However, Homegrownlights will sell the kits assembled. See Homegrownlights.com for all details and also mutiple light discounts. I recommend this light if it will meet your needs and it's used according to the manufacturers recommendations. Thanks to Ryan at Homegrownlights for the willingness to send a kit for this test. Note: The Tiny Tim was moved outside in the dirt to see what will happen on a transplant.

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HGL is also working on a 14w cree xlamp model, which ill be very interested in using as supplement light(next grow!)not sure when it will come out though:(

Doughboy :bonghit:

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

This site has lots of testing including the 14 watt kit your looking at .

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lol...Experiments with Hydroponics, Aeroponics, and LED Grow Lighting

Doughboy :bonghit:

you're right about getting what you paid for. where did you purchase your procyon btw

Man you guys, you should see the stuff I read last night. All about LED lighting and plants. Best nanometers, UVA and B, deep red, far red, infrared, why plants need white, green and yellow. All kinds of pertinent info. I'll see if I can link you later. Yes I said green. Led grow lights are so far off optimum it's ridiculous. Who wants to start a real horticultural LED light company with me? I got a couple grand I might be able to invest, and some business savvy.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Led grow lights are so far off optimum it's ridiculous

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H.I.D For the win. ;)

opie just send me the couple grand :D

maspino1,

here's where we got them. probably a month out you'll have to ask

https://www.indooragriculture.com/in...ain_page=index

Opie, Cant wait for the info we need something more to argue about:thumbsup: (j/k) send it on

Doughboy :smokin:

I have just got done reading every page in this thread, and I have to say, these lights do show some excellent potential. However, due to my natural bias against LED's for growing in general, I will remain slightly skeptical until the harvest, but I am open-minded. I will be following this log, and if the results are on par with HID/HPS yields and quality, I WILL look into incorporating these lights into a future grow. Money is not a problem, even though I don't have any most of the time, I'll leave that to some select investors. ;)


Good job Stealth on venturing where none of us have gone before. You have my full support in this operation, and I eagerly await the results and some more pics.


I do have a question, however, I'm not sure if I missed the answer in trying to read the pages as fast as I could... Are you going to be using C02 and extra mollasses supplements in hopes of maximizing quality of your harvest?

yes unknown, we will be using CO2 and succanant......
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whiskeytango

ok...just wake and baked, and saw the ladies....soooo, i gotta share with ya:jointsmile:
first a date correction, we had sprouts on jan 27th. so we are about to go into the 3rd week of flowering. gotta say guys, im getting more optimistic here. we are on the 7th internode on about 15 of these plants at only 6-7in from the soil to tip. DEFINITELY no stretching....got one albino leaf to show ya, and one mutant plant im not sure should stay in the garden, need you guys help on this one. Does this scrawny lil guy have pot acne?...lol they are getting bigger now, so i threw in a couple pics in the room instead of pulling out...(heh) but look at our test subject, the first 2 pics...this is the same plant i show you guys most o the time. the one that had the stick and tape measure by it. bitch is GOING. 7th set of leaves, MAD side growth...and only61/2 in tall!!! pretty guuurl...heh well Im ripped, so enjoy,
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whiskeytango

second pic is trippy as hell huh? just used the flash in the grow room on our pretty test lady;)

oh yeah, heres the sick one (i think) srawny as hell, with acne...should we keep it?
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whiskeytango

Hey SnS, I have read allot on the subject of LED's and horticulture, and 9 out of 10 say more blue if not all blue for Veggie and Red or Mixed for flowering! I mean you no disrespect, cause those girls look great!!! â??Except the ugly duckling!â?� I was just wondering what your personal feelings were on the subject...:jointsmile:

Opie, What have I been Preachen the hole Thread? Except along with the (ultriviolet-white-),blue(-green-yellow-),orange-red, of our spectrum my have just a low percent, that percent is better add then never had? It can be low voltage, and still help not harm. ( Opie, I need to pm so you can tell me how to ?, I have them on a disc,Kodak web Printer, And MSN), But How the F"N do I get past there?? Well I geuss Never Mind about the pm I just asked YA. HEEEEHEE. Later

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

opie just send me the couple grand :D

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And then you'll come up with the perfect LED grow array? And join me in a partnership, surpassing all other LED grow light companies, stocks split, our company featured on the cover of Time and Newsweek as the coolest company ever, millions of offers and opportunities and dollars just keep rolling in, we just sit back, sign checks, then take the afternoon off to get baked and play golf? I'm on it. What's your bank account number for the transfer? PayPal costs too much.

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Originally Posted by Unknownfigure

Money is not a problem, even though I don't have any most of the time, I'll leave that to some select investors.

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So you know where to get the investors then. What's your bank account number for the transfer?

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

...got one albino leaf to show ya, and one mutant plant im not sure should stay in the garden, need you guys help on this one. Does this scrawny lil guy have pot acne?

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Nope. It's just like back in the early 1980's, when the government was performing all those gamma ray tests on us. Remember? When all those babies were born with 3 elbows and an overall olive green color?

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Originally Posted by New2Dro

Hey SnS, I have read allot on the subject of LED's and horticulture, and 9 out of 10 say more blue if not all blue for Veggie and Red or Mixed for flowering! I mean you no disrespect, cause those girls look great!!! â??Except the ugly duckling!â?� I was just wondering what your personal feelings were on the subject...:jointsmile:

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I tend to think more blue in veg is better, but not according to the stuff I read last night, at least for LED's they were saying just a little blue and mostly red for all stages except sprouting.

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Originally Posted by New2Dro

Hey SnS, I have read allot on the subject of LED's and horticulture, and 9 out of 10 say more blue if not all blue for Veggie and Red or Mixed for flowering! I mean you no disrespect, cause those girls look great!!! â??Except the ugly duckling!â?� I was just wondering what your personal feelings were on the subject...:jointsmile:

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Thanks Dro,

Well I dont know how much better they could be doing than they are right now. so i'd say thats probably wrong. they're on a 5:2 ratio now which aint even close. got 16 strong contenders out of 20 with approx 7 sets each, good undergrowth, and their third week starts Tuesday.

So much for experts I guess. (and their websites)...lol

Doughboy:smokin:

Hey SnS, here's some interesting stuff about red and far red light.

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-li...ml#post1804939