Lots of ramblin here- you guys high or something?
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Lots of ramblin here- you guys high or something?
I live at (about) sea level. I don't know about the rest of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pereubu
i have NO idea, but not knowing really bothers me; oh well
I basically posted the same thing somewhere in this thread, I thought I was the only one that thought of death as the same was as what life was like before I was born. This idea seems like the most logical. I mean to me the whole question of "what happens after you die" is based on the humans inability to comprehend an end to time. It is also a scary thought, that this life we have now is all there really is to life as we know it, so naturally we use our powerful brain to create fantasy ideas and worlds to make us feel more comfortable with death. But unfortunately I'm too much of a realist to believe in such nonsense. I wish I could believe in some rosy dream such as heaven, or even hell, but time has shown throughout history that religion is mostly just a comfort pillow for the mind in regards to death rather than a logical answer to an unanswerable question.Quote:
Originally Posted by pereubu
Wow, Jub, I don't even know what to make of that last sentence. But, I think the afterlife is possible, just some kind of state of all knowing and being with infinite boundaries. Hard to visualize, but I guess that's kind of the point; we're not meant to understand it until that day comes, and then that day will turn into an inconceivably long duration in which time ultimately stands still and ultimately has no meaning. No bodily boundaries and no psychological boundaries, any reality can be achieved, that is: a reality which one believes is ideal, thus the possibility of an infinite array of realities occurs, allowing one to pass the time of an infinite duration. Crazy.
When you die, thats it... Your over. Religion will not save you.
However: The gene pool only has so many combinations, which means in time... There will be an exact replica of you... A clone basically.
Wen you realize that mutation, deletion, and all kinds of nonsense involving virusii and it's all going on in everyone, everywhere, at the same time makes another exact of you more unlikely than winning SEVERAL state lotteries for the maximum prize on one weekend more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Publicgunmen
You think.. therefore you THINK you are
Rene Descartes.....Did you know he was very religious? I was surprised when I found that out, considering he was the one that originally said "I think therefore I am."Quote:
Originally Posted by pereubu
Rick Strassman believes when you die, N,N-DMT naturally created by your pineal gland flows down your spine where it interacts with emotion receptors (this reaction relies on diffusion, negating the need for a heartbeat). I believe this as well, but it doesn't explain a true afterlife. It only explains what you'd feel for a few hrs/days/weeks after you die.
I'm not picking on you Publicgunmen but I can't stand this sort of thing. I am completely anti-organized religion but not even a little anti religion. I don't believe but have absolutely no problem with someone having faith. If it makes their life better what more can you ask for. It doesn't seem logical to you or I but we are different. Organized religion has done some atrocious things but it's not the individual who believes in Jesus Christ and goes to Church every week's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Publicgunmen
People who have such hatred for religion remind me of that picture of the Christians with the 'I HATE FAGS" sign. I'm all for debate on the church and its effects on people but don't act like you are better than every Christian. Don't be arrogant. Be respectful of other people. That's what it's all about :).
With that being said, I lean heavily towards the Men in Black universe in a collar theory' and will just change into some other form of matter when I die. But I really hope I get reincarnated as some badass Space Ninja named Smooth Criminal that can dance like Michael Jackson.
I personally think that after death we disappear.. no soul and stuff like that.
Its the same as asking what happens to a bud after we smoke it :-)
Descartes said "I think therefore I am."
I said "I think therefore I think I am"
Big difference!
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Originally Posted by maik
I think there are two points to be noted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Publicgunmen
1) Our body is changing adapting every instant, so its hard to define an "exact replica" if we consider environmental effects.
2) The probability of an exact replica (in the sense that the two are indistinguishable using any known tests) seems extremely unlikely based on our current knowledge. I don't know the exact figures, but I'm betting that the expected waiting time for this event to occur would have to wait more than the age of the universe.
Even identical twins who have the same dna differ in their fingerprints. Do identical twins have identical DNA?
There have been a lot of interesting views on this topic and the thread was quite a lengthy, but good, read as it gave a lot of different perspectives. Personally, I??m becoming more agnostic with age. I was brought up catholic and went to church every Sunday as a child. As I aged (evolved in my own personal sphere), I began to read? My own personal opinion on religion, it was a political ploy from ancient priests in the medieval times. In most cases, the priests were some of the wealthiest people in the realms and tried to control the government (the Royalty of the time) with their beliefs and preaching??s. Religion also aimed to make people conform to a ??social contract? as they wanted to rid the land of wrongdoings (which was a good concept). By creating religion they hoped to get people to fear something or someone higher than a mere mortal?
First, I have a few questions for the religious?
Is religion more than a mere myth to get society to adhere to world peace? And live life the so-called ??rite? way?
If religion is so sacred why are priests molesting children? is that GOD??s work? If so, what kind of a GOD brings that upon is people? Some religions claim GOD is mean others suggested GOD is kind. There are too many contradictions.
How can one being create all other beings? All beings need food to survive? if ??it? was here before all else, how did ??it? survive? If Adam and Eve was true, that makes the taboo of incest okay (by no means do I condone this).
If religion is true? Which is the right? Why are there so many different versions? Why are people being killed and sacrificed? Were the Aztecs?? and Mayans?? versions of human sacrifice justified? Religion is adapted and adopted by cultures and societies as a means of getting it??s peoples to remain cohesive.
Do you believe you control your own destiny or is someone else controlling it for you?
My religion is a personal inner-peace and a personal strive to be the best I can? I don??t need to worship an immaterial figure for my own personal character development rather it comes from personal experiences and the morals and values passed on from my family and environment.
If religion helps you live a better life, more power to you and keep worshiping.
I believe mother nature is the highest being of all and even she is not a real being or god? just the molecules and chemical reaction-processes of the natural world we know. It was here millions/billions of years before us and will be here long after the human race is gone. Religion in my personal opinion is a ersatz. The reason we don??t have written records or concrete facts of our beginnings is because of evolution. When humans first began to stand upright they could not think logically and rationally, rather they were just another animal living purely off instinct. All animals (which humans really are.. Just another animal) came from amoebas. Fortunately for our sake, we were able to evolve into the rationale (well some of us are rational) beings of today.
I also believe that our world fades to black or just ceases once we die. Although this can make the our entire existences seem bleak, it is the most logical and reasonable theory; I??m definitely a realist as seeing is believing. As others said, we (and our so-called souls) are merely the products of our brains and without them how can we have feeling and a consciousness of where we are and what we are doing? It??s just not possible. When you die your blood vessels constrict and as the flow of blood to the heart and eventually the brain ceases, and in turn, shuts the brain down. Once our heart and brain are no longer a functioning we are simply broken down into a less complex from and returned to the Earth? which is where each and every one of use came from.
Everything we know and believe is purely a hypothesized theory. None of which can be proved. The only thing we do know is that we don??t know everything?
Regardless, we cannot go around condemning others for their different beliefs (no matter how uneducated they are) unless they are trying to push them onto others.
The Discourse on Method by Rene Descartes is a great read...
Here's a great line that I'll always remember, besides, "I think therefore I am"... I do not know the exact quote so I'll paraphrase. It goes something like this; I was assailed by so many doubts and errors that upon my trying to become educated I progressively discovered my own ignorance.
There's some very powerful statements in that document.
whether you believe life after 'death' or not doesnt change the fact that your conscious energy has to go somewhere, it doesnt just 'disappear'...and considering humans dont know what conscious energy is exactly doesnt help, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist, you have awareness dont you?, something you didnt have before you were born bein as your consciousness didnt exist before you were born, until of course it was created through lifes reproductive process
actually, even after you die electrical pulses still go throughout your brain, in a process called "synaptic transmission" which processes thought information through the brain, so you could actually be dreaming for eternity, or reliving moments of your life in your thoughts over and over forever...Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsBlend420
i just hope i can smoke when im gone:jointsmile:
I wish some disciple had asked it to Jesus... as He actually have been there and come back... surely He would know how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmo18
You will always wake up.
"a soul is a soul, a shell is a shell. The space in between is full of everything you've felt."
We could also ask her...
http://boards.cannabis.com/current-e...back-dead.html
When you die, one of two things will happen:
1) There is an afterlife, and you'll experience it.
2) There isn't an afterlife, in which case your mind will cease to exist, making your question moot.
Death is a chip we're all going to cash in. Try not to worry about the afterlife, (if there even is one), and focus more on this moment, because that's all you really have some say-so in. :pimp:
Bodyworlds
You could always pledge your body to this place :D :cool:
I know for a fact that i can exist outside of my body, and therefore exist without it! I have had many out of body experiences, and believe me, these are very very real! Through these experiences i have lost all fear i once had for the inevitable death of the body. In some ways i now actually look forward to death, as only then can i truely be free of my body, and all of the materialistic desires that come with it.
woah that remind me the kinds of question i had in my head while
on shrooms :D pretty trippy tho... especially when ur home alone
in ur bed.. i started thinking what was life and what about in the
other galaxies and tripping stuff like that lol
Your stuck in your grave until judgement day.
Thats what i believe.
God is dead - Neitzsche
Neitzsche is dead - God
Death IS dead - Me.
Death cannot exist, for nothing DIES, only changes.
if you kill me, my body does not disappear, the energy that once made my body function dispearses slowly into the surrounding world, BUT IT DOES NOT CEACE TO EXIST.
so what happens when we die?
LOTS of things! ANYTHING is possible after death.
when i die, i will be cremated so that my ashes can be scattered to the winds and settle all over the world.
that way i can be omnipresent in the world. i will fly with the birds, grow with the trees, spin and float and dive with the wind.
i will become the nutrients in the soil that is absorbed by the plantlife, i will be the nutrients that is eaten by the animals, i will be the meat that is eaten by the humans. i will be one with all.
The average human uses 9-20% of their brain POWER not space. All of the space is used for different functions. Most people never work hard enough to use their brain power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infamous
I hope the DMT theory is true, and I also believe in it.
If you think about psychedelics and death, and God, and life, interestingly enough they all can relate? No?
Good post :thumbsup:
i think when you die you are just nothing
define "nothing" and the scientific method of becoming 'nothing'.Quote:
Originally Posted by hreskofreight4
The brain sends electrical impulses to the muscles and without these signals the body is unable to function and "dies" , the death is followed by the breaking down of the elements of the body which (if we still buried people) would be absorbed back into the soil as nutrients and minerals.
The control of those electrical impulses isn't always under our control (reflex actions) but most of the time we are aware of our movements and actions.
The question is :
Do you view people as higher beings with a "soul" or as a highly developed biological machine?
I think the latter and I believe that when the plug is pulled the power is absorbed back into the network (Universe) so to speak.
I do not believe that the energy that makes us function is in any way sentient, any more than the energy that makes your TV work is.
how, then, can sentience exist? if neither matter nor energy can be sentient, how can sentience come about, then just as simply be snuffed away?
well its simple you either die and, your "spirit goes on" (through reincarnation, if there is a better place or whatever) or you turn to dust and there really is nothing out there after life. If that is true it won't really matter since you wont care because you no longer exist... so no worries.
I don't believe anyone here can say with any certainty, which is why people are so scared of death.
You missed a "some" out of that statementQuote:
Originally Posted by katyowns
I don't fear death ,it's inevitable and I have already cheated it soooo many times. It's kind of like an old friend waiting in the wings. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by katyowns
Words of wisdom....
??People fear death even more than pain. It's strange that they fear death. Life hurts a lot more than death. At the point of death, the pain is over. Yeah, I guess it is a friend...?
-The Lizard King
Psychocat, I like that. Your friend in the wings is my friend as well.
when I dies, I'd like to feed some plants....
Maybe along with those plants you will feed some cars...;)
I fear pain, I envy the dead. i hate the living because they become so damned emotionally attached to the pain called life that people CANT die with a clean conscience. it's like the emotional equivalent imparted on the living that they should have maimed a child, or raped a kitten or something grotesque.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin8