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I was thinking about either a closet setup, the wife might get mad about taking all the space or a setup where I would convert an armoire to a grow station.. something like this http://www.meijer.com/assets/product...9371_C_400.jpgYou think this could work as a good growing station if the wife wont let me use the closet :wtf:
Converting an armoire is a good idea, just make sure you allow for adequate ventilation and fresh air induction... it is vital to healthy plants.
MVP.. got a couple questions for ya :)
This will be my first time cloning, but I got the concept of it.. i think. Just need a couple tips and input on my situation..
I want to clone my outdoor plants, (white widow, the chronic, god's gift, good god, ak48) and bring them back. one of the problems is that it would be at least 45 min before I could get them into rapid rooters.
if i bring down a bottle w/ r/o and put the cuttings in there and come straight back, make a new cut slightly higher, then scarify... I have A/N piranha, could this be used for a rooting hormone? my hydro guy told me just put it right in the rapid rooter w/o any hormone and i should have no problem
Also, is there such a thing as too much light? I can run up to 4 23 w cfls, cool veg. is this sufficient?
hey thanks for answering my ?'s any advice is appreciated :jointsmile:
As long as you cut the growth shoot and put in water immediately to avoid an embolism you can actually keep them in the water for quite some time. I've successfully rooted clones from cuts that sat in water in my fridge for a week.
Sounds like you have the concept down pretty well so it should stand a good chance of working out well for you. I swear by Olivia's cloning solution and would recommend it cuz its never failed me. It will make your chance of success much higher IMO.
can i get that at a hydro shop or at home depot or lowes?
You'll find Olivia's at most hydro shops... get the liquid cloning solution and follow the directions. Post questions here if you have them and I'll usually answer back pretty quickly. Good luck, it is not that tough to do.
I've rooted cuttings that have been in the fridge for more than 8 weeks with no water change or maintenance of any kind. Some people make sure they have several cuttings from each of their valued mothers in the fridge at all times as an insurance policy. Just make sure that they're not in the back corner that freezes, but the colder the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP
I'm not saying 8 weeks is ideal, but a few is no problem. The longer they stay in the fridge the less success you will have. Less than 1/4 of the old ones rooted for me, and they were near rotting when I decided to root them. Aint weed amazing?
Dammit Opie, 8 weeks? Well aren't you something... a weed wizard of sorts!
I thought I pulled off the impossible when I woke this morning and checked my GDP cuts... of the 5 in the clone dome, roots are poking thru on 1 of them after less than 2 weeks - after being in the fridge for 3 weeks. I also have a dozen cuts in the fridge for a week just in case they didn't make it, kinda like you described.
I was expecting a minimum of 3-4 weeks to root these babies. Damn amazing weed, you are correct amigo!! :D
thanks alot MVP! seems like things should go smoothly. going to bring a cooler with me with a big bottle of R/O so the cuttings stay cool
the cloner I have uses net pots and rockwool and sprays water on the rockwool from bottom and partially on the sides, my question is atm I used the rooting gel when I put cuttings into cubes which were soaked in 6.0 water and only have plain 6.0 water in res, when should I think about adding any type of nutes to the res and the cuttings were kept in fridge for about 4 weeks, stems were recut and scraped, when might I see any type of roots from the cubes? also should I leave the pump on 24/7 that is spraying cubes or cycle it? Have 2 24" cool white t12's on 24/7 and dome on, cab temp is about 78-82 and humidity ranges from 40-60%, no anti wilt used. only wilt was when first put into cloner and clones "stood up" over night.
About 4 days ago i took the topps of 4 plants and i am trying to clone them im doing almost every thing wrong! i have them in a dome with a heat pad under them i have them in thoese black growing cube things i scraped them and put cloneing gel on it waters not ph balanced well it might be hahah not really sure just put a few drops of ph down in the water and i have them under 18/6.
Do you think they will make it?
oh yea what r u guys useing to check the ph of the water i bought this pool tester one and the lowest it goes it to 6.0 its stupid well ether that or me and im going have to say its the gay plastic tester.
for clones its 5.8 and plants 6.0? is that right
6.0 water is pretty much neutral for growing. as for the test kit, the ones used for fish aquariums has a decent scale range on it and very affordable. Lighting, I have mine under 2 24" t12 cool white tubes. Prob will change to CFL's on next cabinet but tubes is what I have for now. I also keep lights on 24/7 atm. After keeping clones in fridge for about 4 weeks I had roots showing out of 1 of the cubes after 6-7 days.
Update: It's Wednesday and 2 more of the 2-week fridge clones have roots, so I am 3/5 so far and the other 2 look like they might push roots soon...
try that in soil and see what happens....lol, gotta dumb question though MVP....can you cut a top as a clone if its "woody"? what is too think to be a clone?Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytoon
whiskeytango
just cut 2 new clones actual cuts not topps so ill see how that works i have a new thread need some help so if anyone can pop and put there 2 cents in thanks
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-problems.html
o yea anyone use a ph pen?
BRO! i just cloned my outdoor bitches and I was wondering if you could give me some advice (or anyone) on my setup, and how I did it.
Took a razor blade out with me and cleaned it with alcohol, as well as a small cooler and a container with R/O. the water was nice and cold and the cuttings went straight into the water. came back fairly quickly (took 45 minutes) and stuck them into the fridge as I laid out all da materials.
I bought Dip-N-Grow (no olivias at the hydro shop) and a large tray and dome. Also decided to give coco a shot since that is my final medium. I have two different types of coco. one is really coarse, and one is very fine. 1/2 are in one 1/2 are in the other. Both were rinsed well to rid salts
packed all the cells in the tray with barely moist coco, made nice holes w/ a screwdriver, and went to work on the clones.
made a new cut farther up the stem at a 45, slightly scarified, and pricked off the lowest leave(s) next to the cut. swirled them around in the dip n grow (not sure what the correct dilution is here.. it had different levels for different plant types) for about 5-10 secs, and placed them as far as possible down into the cell. packed coco around stem for support
the weird thing is that the dome (got for free from hydro guy) had two holes in the top, made by him, and he said that they help, I just have to mist a couple times a day?
they are only under 1 27 w daylight cfl at the moment, adding another tonight.
anyways, i probably wont have great success, but I tried to do everything by the book, and if there is ANYTHING anyone can suggest or criticize please do
thanks thanks thanks :)
all my clones died....
went and check on them and the 2 clones cuts that were good and they were dry and almost dead the grow cube dried out werent touching the water the other crappy topps that i use were really short and got black at the ends not like mold black but like dead black after i find out whos a mom and whos not from there ill toss like 3 or 2 of the plants as monthers i wanna get alot of clones going
so in a 1 or so ill be trying all over again i think im going to go with bubbler cloner this time
mvp.. its day 2 and 9/12 clones are pretty droopy.. they arent real droopy just look like they are having a hard time supporting themselves. the ones that aren't droopy are the cuts I took real short, the bigger ones are droopier
any thoughts?? i covered up the holes in my dome with saran, but it still doesnt look to be correctly collecting humidity. all of the cells are still slightly moist
thnx for help, i might just be over reacting, but I thought you mentioned yours never droop :wtf:
and... the clones are pretty much all dead. the hydro man forgot to give me the extra tray that he uses when he clones. there are two trays, the top one has holes the bottom doesn't. he said fill it with water just so there is a enough to be above the top tray w/ holes and spray the cuttings(if wilting starts to occur) and dome lightly every couple days because of the holes in the top of the dome.
MVP - I bought a new dome that has no holes in it (and rooter plugs not coco this time), do you think what the hydro man is suggesting is correct? Or should I not try bottom wicking the moisture? I want a better shot at round 2 with the next cuttings I take so any input is appreciated man :jointsmile:
btw, how much light is appropriate for a tray full of clones?
Hey greenatik,
Using the extra tray is an interesting idea to keep the humidity high, worth a try, but make sure that the dome has a small vent so the cuts can breathe. I've had pretty good luck with a 24 inch 2-tube fluor fixture sitting about an inch above the dome. I also mist the dome 2-3 times daily (not the plants, just the dome) to ensure enough humidity for proper rooting.
I've been traveling for the last 10 days so I will post back sometime this afternoon (Sat 8/9) or tomorrow if there are other questions.
MVP :jointsmile:
greenatik and hoho123, I'm sorry you had a bad experience cloning.
Just be sure to follow some basics and your cuttings should root.
Scarify the stem, re cut the end at a 45 degree angle, immediately dip in hormone and place in medium. Keep the stem moist. If it dries out once, she's dead. Use a humidity dome. It can have holes or not. Either way the canopy must get some air daily. If no holes, take off the dome at least once per day and blow into the dome and the plants. If the plants wilt too much, holes in the dome are too big. Even with holes, take off the lid at least once daily. Holes may cause wilt problems, which can be fixed with anti wilt spray. Rooting gel also causes wilt problems sometimes, since it seals the cut. I use powder. I've tried Dip N Grow 3 times, all 3 rotting the stems. However I did add it to the reservoir and that may be the problem. The res and environment should be around 82 degrees.
I've had the absolute best luck cloning in a cheapo aerocloner. I hate rockwool.
thanks opie and MVP..
yesterday I put the new dome over them with the bottom tray holding water as they hydro man suggested... and this morning I wake up to two clones perked straight up. no holes but I mist once a day and take the dome off for 10-20 secs about once a day. also went from 1 23 w CFL to three right above the dome.
going to go take some more cuts tonight so hopefully I have a better go-around this time
will post back my results :jointsmile:
thanks for the help guys
:D got about 10 out of 20 .. not bad for the first time :) threw a few away early on that wilted badly, but once the new dome was over them most of them revived completely. the ones in rapid rooters did well one sativa looking bagseed has roots all over the plug in about 8 days. foliar fed piranha lightly with liquid karma real light once I saw them reaching upwards. but, to be honest, one of cuts in coco is doing by far the best. its godsgift x bluegoo, and the stem is turning a nice purple but not from def. all rooted within 10 days -- ill post some pics soon
thanks for the thread it was a good experience cant wait to get a try with a bubble cloner. but coco is what i plan on using next time, it didnt dry out as quickly as the rooters and they seemed to like me not being able to look for roots like you can with the plugs
:jointsmile::jointsmile:
Is it ok to put plants to flower to sort through males/females then put them back into veg for a week then cut clones?
yea its ok to do it that way i think most would sugest putting one clone of each to the 12/12 test to see witch ones are male or female also u have to make sure the plants mature enough i think because the hormones wont be right but im not sure what happends if there not so after a month of veg u can find out for sure im sure some one can give u better advice but i hope this helps for now
look for pics next week hopefully ill find out i have all females http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-problems.html
hey there guys my ? is if you are going to clone do you need that whole water function going on there with the bubbling? cant you just put the on the rockwool the hood and light?? and they will root???
no. you can go to hydro store for 17 bucks, get a 50 site clone tray, rapid rooters or the imitation ones. and a clear dome for 6 more bucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by blowin
Put all rapid rooters in the bag in closet somewhere for storage. use the ones for your clones, cut, dip and stick. for more info IM me
Hello, is this cel necessary:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP
Because, I dont have that..:jointsmile:
PM ME!
MVP...........I agree with all your points except point 6. Use 10% food grade h202 instead to disenfect and kill any bacteria there may be. Your plants will love you for it. Add 1 tablespoon of 35% food grade h202 to 1 gallon of tap water, plus what ever nutrients you use for growth. Again your girls will love you for it. Doing it with Ease.
I have heard that Tap Water is better for clones.. as it has a small amount of nutrients already in the water.. vs RO water that has absolutley no nutes at all.. I also have found that peat pellets work best for growing in soil.. the pellets have enough nutes in them to keep the plants alive with tap water alone for the first few weeks while they root and get ready for transplant. I also dont dip the cuttings in water before the rooting gel.. seems to me like the gel does the same thing in preventing bubbles as dipping them in water first.. so I dont see much point to this step. I also have found an "Assembly Line" technique to work quite well.. Cut the clone on 45 degree angle, quickly trim the bottom couple of nodes and then dip it in the gel right away.. all of this happens within about 5-8 seconds and then its in the peat pellet. I have also found that making a slightly bigger hole in the peat pellet (I use a chopstick) helps to keep the rooting gel from getting wiped off when I stick it in the hole. The peat pellets are soft enough that once the cutting is in the hole.. you can squish it back into good contact with the stem and keep the rooting gel where you want it! ;-) Once all the cuttings are in the tray, I mist them with tap water and snap the lid on.. I havnt cut any of the leaves.. but I may try it as the leaves seem to get a little crappy at the ends anyways! I put them under CFL aquarium/plant lights on an 18hr cycle, and open the lid a few times a day to blow inside and move new air around the plants.. and mist them with water again. I am definately not the most experienced grower on this site when it comes to cannabis.. but I have taken a few hundred cuttings like this far, and not lost a single one yet.. so I must be doing something right! Thanks for the great thread!
Hi. This is literally my first post on any sight to do with anything. ( a little nervous ) I recently made a clonner after having okay results using the jiffy tray type system. I'm finding it difficult to find consistent information. I'm using an atomizer type system. Not sure if those exist but it logically made sense to me. I have a dbl. 48 T-12 about 24" above running 20/4. I recently added a full dose of dnf root stimulator. A water temp of about 78-80 and a dome on it that I air out about once a day. I used gel for some and powder for some. I'm not being lazy and just asking Ive read for hours and days about this topic alone. can anyone give me some pointers? for instance- water temp, humidity and temp under dome.
Oh and after 8 days I had a couple with roots starting from 1/8 - 1/4" long. but they have stalled at that. no change in 3 days. I could put up some picks but its embarrassing compared to plenty of set ups I've seen.